Bring back the torp, outside F50!

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Bring back the torp, outside F50!

March 18, 2014, 02:12:26 pm

We have this problem in our F50, it is jam packed with defenders 90% of the game and our talls don't mark!

We need a tactic that thins out the opposition defense, make them cover more ground.

Bring back the torp I say, let Jammo, Watson and Tuohy patrol the HFF at kick ins and when we press up the ground. If we turn it over on the F50 at a kick in, or if there is no way forward off the flank even consider kick it backwards to them.

Sure the accuracy might be rubbish, but once defenders stand watching kicks sail over their head a few times you see a significant shift in the attitude to opposition flooding. You only have to get one goal and they will not be so keen to leave you unattended. I do not know a coach or defender who is happy to leave the scoring of a goal by the opposition up to chance, they are more about eliminating those chances all together. Draw them out and the likes of Garlett, Murphy, Ellard and Yarran have much more room to play in!

PS: At the moment Tuohy averages 0.4 goals, Watson 0.1 goals and Jamison 0.0, anything they score is a plus!

Re: Bring back the torp, outside F50!

Reply #1 – March 18, 2014, 02:52:06 pm

Turning the ball over at half forward is suicide almost as a torp kick in and we saw how that ended twice on the weekend (came back both times for scores without us touching the ball).

Modern game is all about precision kicks. Then again our disposal inside 50 is about as accurate as long torps anyway.

Re: Bring back the torp, outside F50!

Reply #2 – March 18, 2014, 04:40:17 pm

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on March 18, 2014, 02:52:06 pm

Turning the ball over at half forward is suicide almost as a torp kick in and we saw how that ended twice on the weekend (came back both times for scores without us touching the ball).

Modern game is all about precision kicks. Then again our disposal inside 50 is about as accurate as long torps anyway.

Are you saying they won't make the distance?

I suspect that use of the torp from the zone around the outside of the F50 arc can be beneficial to teams that have that capability.

Turning the ball over by hand just outside F50 is a problem as well. I'd rather see a torp score a point or drop in the square than give the opposition the ball at CHF or on the HFF by hand.

As for those kick out problems, they were not the fault of the kicker both were executed pretty well. The duds running after the ball we beaten to it by Port players both times. We looked dead slow and we spread on one occasion leaving the person pursuing the ball outnumbered.

Hendo, dished off despite kicking goals from the arc in the warm up. Daisey failed to make the distance from 45m. Murphy dished off twice from around 50m.

Re: Bring back the torp, outside F50!

Reply #3 – March 18, 2014, 05:01:44 pm

There was a time when the long kick-in was a tactic we used quite well.
What we did though was had our tall ruckman on the end of it to knock it further on and runners charging forward to get on the end of it.

Re: Bring back the torp, outside F50!

Reply #4 – March 18, 2014, 05:45:43 pm

Quote from: Lods – on March 18, 2014, 05:01:44 pm

There was a time when the long kick-in was a tactic we used quite well.
What we did though was had our tall ruckman on the end of it to knock it further on and runners charging forward to get on the end of it.

There was a time not to long ago where the long torp to the centre of the ground and the punch on was just about perfected by Fletcher and the bombers.

The problem with both these scenarios is trying to apply them to our list and the next to useless big men we have out there at present.

Warnock gets knocked over by a stiff breeze.
Kreuzer takes time getting the legs turning over and any slight contact along the way and he is out of the contest.

You almost need someone like Walker as the target and allow him to simply launch himself at the ball and punch it forward.

Re: Bring back the torp, outside F50!

Reply #5 – March 18, 2014, 06:34:23 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 18, 2014, 05:45:43 pm

Quote from: Lods – on March 18, 2014, 05:01:44 pm
There was a time when the long kick-in was a tactic we used quite well.
What we did though was had our tall ruckman on the end of it to knock it further on and runners charging forward to get on the end of it.

There was a time not to long ago where the long torp to the centre of the ground and the punch on was just about perfected by Fletcher and the bombers.

The problem with both these scenarios is trying to apply them to our list and the next to useless big men we have out there at present.

Warnock gets knocked over by a stiff breeze.
Kreuzer takes time getting the legs turning over and any slight contact along the way and he is out of the contest.

You almost need someone like Walker as the target and allow him to simply launch himself at the ball and punch it forward.

I'm pretty sure our big man at the time we did this was Madden.

Re: Bring back the torp, outside F50!

Reply #6 – March 18, 2014, 06:56:16 pm

Quote from: Lods – on March 18, 2014, 06:34:23 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on March 18, 2014, 05:45:43 pm
Quote from: Lods – on March 18, 2014, 05:01:44 pm
There was a time when the long kick-in was a tactic we used quite well.
What we did though was had our tall ruckman on the end of it to knock it further on and runners charging forward to get on the end of it.

There was a time not to long ago where the long torp to the centre of the ground and the punch on was just about perfected by Fletcher and the bombers.

The problem with both these scenarios is trying to apply them to our list and the next to useless big men we have out there at present.

Warnock gets knocked over by a stiff breeze.
Kreuzer takes time getting the legs turning over and any slight contact along the way and he is out of the contest.

You almost need someone like Walker as the target and allow him to simply launch himself at the ball and punch it forward.

I'm pretty sure our big man at the time we did this was Madden.

He can hold his ground and take a mark better than those two. Was also head and shoulders above everyone else at the time.

Re: Bring back the torp, outside F50!

Reply #7 – March 19, 2014, 12:14:45 pm

The tactic as we used it was to have everyone pushed up the ground and to run onto the kick, not to have a bomb lob on a tall.

In reality blokes like Yarran, Garlett and Armfield could be running with the flight and still have enough time to twist and face the ball as it drops. At least then if the cop front on contact they should get a free kick, and if the defenders try to impede their run they get a free kick for holding.

To counter this the defense has a man drop back but that opens up some space for short kicks. You have to have these sorts of variations or else you become too predictable.

The same applies at the F50. If teams know you won't have a shot from outside the arc they will happily let you chip it around until you stuff up, we do this with aplomb. If you have guys who can kick a torp or drop punt 55m ~ 60m then all of a sudden the defense cannot be so certain, they have to spread out to cover more space which opens up space. It is the possible variations that deliver the outcome for our club, not the likely success of the tactic.

When I watched the replay of the D50 kick outs it seemed the opposition reacted equally fast or even faster than our forwards which suggests they new it was coming or that our forwards were slow. Something was wrong for that to be the case, it is like our guys did not know who was supposed to be doing what!

That raise questions about the coaching.