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Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #75
@BigJack

You are right, the midfield is our rotten core. Just not up to the job and needs clearing out. Just does not have the skills needed for today's footy, and it's not very smart. Very exposed tonight and was a complete embarrassment with its blundering and turnovers.

Midfield is were it the sh1t flows from.

We have not enough with heart / toughness / determination / skill to take the game on. (Well except Judd, but he is on the wrong side of 30).

Tonight too many stood flat footed, not enough are skilled enough to keep the footy , not enough applied pressure for 5 minutes let alone four quarters , no one was willing take the game by the scruff and give it good old shake, the ruck stocks seriously look seriously stupid. 

I look at the competition and I am gob smacked by our ability to still draft one way skirts. 

Melbourne will give themselves a chance next week, as I reckon we'd just be able to roll Peel Thunder right now ..
Carrots, slower than escargot in garlic sauce !!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #76
@BigJack

You are right, the midfield is our rotten core. Just not up to the job and needs clearing out. Just does not have the skills needed for today's footy, and it's not very smart. Very exposed tonight and was a complete embarrassment with its blundering and turnovers.

Midfield is were it the sh1t flows from.

We have not enough with heart / toughness / determination / skill to take the game on. (Well except Judd, but he is on the wrong side of 30).

Tonight too many stood flat footed, not enough are skilled enough to keep the footy , not enough applied pressure for 5 minutes let alone four quarters , no one was willing take the game by the scruff and give it good old shake, the ruck stocks seriously look seriously stupid. 

I look at the competition and I am gob smacked by our ability to still draft one way skirts. 

Melbourne will give themselves a chance next week, as I reckon we'd just be able to roll Peel Thunder right now ..

only 3 years ago we were touted as one of the best and fastest mid fields in the comp - seems like a nightmare atm

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #77
We are still the same one way lazy river.
With dead branches, the ilk of : Warnock Kreuzer Murphy Walker Robinson Curnow Gibbs Garlett Ellard Carrazzo floating aimlessly downstream.

First game back and got 11 clearances, twice as many as anyone from either side.  

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #78
Did anyone watch the Dogs go past us yesterday. They did!!
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Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #79
I don't think it's a list issue.
This is essentially the same group that contested finals in recent years.
Even allowing for the fact other teams might go past them it doesn't make them lesser footballers than they were in finals years.
There was a very brief point in this game where we more than matched them.
Same happened in the first two games.
When the team is on they can do the job.

A few of our players are  suffering from injury interrupted pre-seasons and some are just dreadfully out of form but......
They look disinterested and unmotivated for long periods, yet they can turn on a good period for ten minutes or so and look great.
Skills and decision making are terrible at times, yet at other times they do the freakish.

Bruce said it.....when they're good, they're very good (irresistible).....when they're bad they're pathetic.
....and that makes it largely an application issue.
and the folk responsible for that side of things are the coaching group.





Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #80
Ok, seems for one final time the lesson has been learnt. Once coaches start pushing 60 they can't keep up with the game anymore. Malthouse, Sheedy, Matthews etc....

They can with great assistants. We went with basically 3 coaches last year and then brought it people Mick wasn't paranoid about. Recipe for disaster.

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #81
Having Murphy as captain is like being led by Brave Sir Robyn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8&feature=kp
"...that's the thing about opinion - you don't have to know anything to have one..."  Andre Agassi commenting on Pat Cash 2004
"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #82
Melbourne will give themselves a chance next week, as I reckon we'd just be able to roll Peel Thunder right now ..

Yep, as they say on here sometimes.....Danger Game.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #83

Bruce said it.....when they're good, they're very good (irresistible).....when they're bad they're pathetic.
....and that makes it largely an application issue.
and the folk responsible for that side of things are the coaching group.

It' been happening for too long  Lods. If MM is a quality coach he should have identified the problems and addressed them by now, yet he seems just as bewildered. Not good enough.
IN WADA WE TRUST

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #84
Just call me a visionary...

http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=938.0

Simply appalling. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I'm really starting to hate this club.

 :(
Drugs are bad, mmmkay...

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #85
It was just a matter of time. Maybe judd's busted body can win us some games this year.

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #86

Bruce said it.....when they're good, they're very good (irresistible).....when they're bad they're pathetic.
....and that makes it largely an application issue.
and the folk responsible for that side of things are the coaching group.

It' been happening for too long  Lods. If MM is a quality coach he should have identified the problems and addressed them by now, yet he seems just as bewildered. Not good enough.

It'll be very telling as to how both MM and the players selected next week respond to this. However, even if we come out and belt the daylights out of the Dees, we could just as easily fall in a hole the game after.
Reality always wins in the end.


Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #88
I don't think it's a list issue.
This is essentially the same group that contested finals in recent years.
Even allowing for the fact other teams might go past them it doesn't make them lesser footballers than they were in finals years.
There was a very brief point in this game where we more than matched them.
Same happened in the first two games.
When the team is on they can do the job.

A few of our players are  suffering from injury interrupted pre-seasons and some are just dreadfully out of form but......
They look disinterested and unmotivated for long periods, yet they can turn on a good period for ten minutes or so and look great.
Skills and decision making are terrible at times, yet at other times they do the freakish.

Bruce said it.....when they're good, they're very good (irresistible).....when they're bad they're pathetic.
....and that makes it largely an application issue.
and the folk responsible for that side of things are the coaching group.

Too true, but don't forget a coach doesn't make an athlete look good. A great athlete makes a coach look great. Its as though the coaching group can't get the best motivation to make the application work. Look at what Hird the Turd gets out of his group. Not due to fear, but due to respect. Maybe the squad hate and fear the coaching group. Maybe our list doesn't suit our coaching group, so there has to be an attitude change from both sides, or the 2 need to part ways. Some of our players and many to be exact are just chumps to be honest. Just look at the players that have moved on and what they have really produced at other clubs. We draft and pick 2nd class and watch them pull blinders from time to time. The ones we dump never really amount to much. The ones we keep never amount to much either. So there is another issue we have. We try to make champions from "C" class players with a small few "A" class players. Poor list, poor coaching group = crap results. We are just crap on every level.
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Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #89

Bruce said it.....when they're good, they're very good (irresistible).....when they're bad they're pathetic.
....and that makes it largely an application issue.
and the folk responsible for that side of things are the coaching group.

It' been happening for too long  Lods. If MM is a quality coach he should have identified the problems and addressed them by now, yet he seems just as bewildered. Not good enough.

It'll be very telling as to how both MM and the players selected next week respond to this. However, even if we come out and belt the daylights out of the Dees, we could just as easily fall in a hole the game after.

More likely than not if we belt the Dees the players will think they are back in town. They won't be.
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