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Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #150 –
Quote from: Jofo – on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
I wonder if MM rates his performance as deplorable like Roosy rated his own last week? Or is he just going to blame the players again?

No, MM said he was not prepared for what the Bombers dished up. I take that as a partial confession that he got it wrong.

None of us were prepared not so much for what the Bombers dished-up....moreso what we dished-up. I repeat, that very first clearance of the game became our benchmark for the entire game: no accountability, no pressure.....it was one of the weakest & laziest CFC efforts I've seen in recent memory.
Football is life, there is nothing else....

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #151 –
Totally outclassed and outran, bummers reminded me of the Hawks game plan  on Friday night. i hate to say it but it was brillint.

I think ive said this before, but i feel that are bodies are really small (and weak) by comparison, we looked like form 1ers playing against the form 6ers.

A couple of observations, Gibbs, there was a moment in the last quarter i think it was were an opponent ran past him as if he wasnt there and he gave up his chase......good as gone imho. Also Buckley, even though he made a few mistakes, i really think this boy is going to be good, he really tries and has good skills and awareness.....heres' hoping anyway.

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #152 –
Quote from: Jofo – on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
I wonder if MM rates his performance as deplorable like Roosy rated his own last week? Or is he just going to blame the players again?

No, MM said he was not prepared for what the Bombers dished up. I take that as a partial confession that he got it wrong.
Not the first time he has said that. It seems he doesn't do his homework on oppositions as well as others.
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #154 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Crippled by injury. What Malthouse's excuse?

We were discussing this last night at the game.....Ratten got ultimately judged in a season whereby injuries hurt us more than any other in the past 10 years & an obsession by Sticks & Swann to get 'their man' (i.e. Malthouse, who was now very much available), which had always been Pratt's wish.

The Malthouse gameplan is to hug the boundary, then bomb into the forward line or kick it into the pockets. Who else in the AFL currently employs this gameplan? "But it worked at Collingwood....." - it did, 'cos like Pagan @ North, he was able to develop this gameplan with a young list.....in other words, their respective lists developed with their gameplan - a largely established list like ours doesn't have that luxury & just like the Pagan gameplan, the MM blueprint isn't suited to our playing group and the blueprint itself is now waaaaaaay outdated as the younger, more progressive coaches employ new ideas, new tactics, new gameplans which have superseded MM's once-upon-a-time recipe for success.

Our style looks stale, I fcking hate watching it. The forward line has been an unmitigated mess this year & if Waite & Casboult aren't the worst set shots for goal in the AFL, I'd like to know who is. What's happened to Tuohy? The guy is a mess.....I counted 7 goals kicked on him last night by his various opponents as MM tried to hide him wherever he could.....7 fcking goals!!! Are you kidding me!?

Like it or not, MM will be there this year & next at the very least (we don't have the $$$ to pay out this guy's contract!!!) & to his credit, he did cull a fair few who's heads we'd been calling for for a while and sounds like come season's end we'll see much of the same.....but of course, to get rid of so many, you've got to develop/draft/trade for adequate replacements and of course hit FA hard....but it's hard to make a pitch to someone like say James Frawley, when you throw up performances such as last night & can't guarantee the likes of Gibbs will still be around.

*sigh*......
Football is life, there is nothing else....

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #155 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Crippled by injury. What Malthouse's excuse?

Why didn't Judd or Kreuzer play?

Kreuzer. Would have made the difference. :))

 ;D I'll pay that......
Football is life, there is nothing else....

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #156 –
Quote from: Goat – on
Quote from: Jofo – on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
I wonder if MM rates his performance as deplorable like Roosy rated his own last week? Or is he just going to blame the players again?

No, MM said he was not prepared for what the Bombers dished up. I take that as a partial confession that he got it wrong.
Not the first time he has said that. It seems he doesn't do his homework on oppositions as well as others.

But I thought that was Laidley's field of expertise...... ::)
Football is life, there is nothing else....

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #157 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Yeah don't remember it and it has zero relevance to the fact that MM is absolute crap and we made a huge mistake. No doubt you will back the dud coach to the hilt in order to try and save face. Cmon, tell us we're all wrong and it's all the players. Tell us how bad Ratten was and how it's all his fault. Can't wait to hear it.

Malthouse is one of the greatest coaches of all time and has won 51 finals and 3 flags. Ratten won 1 final and is now an assistant coach.

so was jock mchale, ron barassi and leigh matthews

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #158 –
Malthouse won 3 flags in 30 years, in comparison, Bummer T 2 in 10 years, Clarkson 2 in 10 years, Pagan 2 in 8 years. Malthouse won 2 of those flags with the powerhouse WCE, juiced up and all. He's won one premiership in the last 20 years and he did a great job of nearly losing that one too. All coaches reach their use by date and we seem to be doing a good job of picking them up after that happens.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #159 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Malthouse won 3 flags in 30 years, in comparison, Bummer T 2 in 10 years, Clarkson 2 in 10 years, Pagan 2 in 8 years. Malthouse won 2 of those flags with the powerhouse WCE, juiced up and all. All coaches reach their use by date and we seem to be doing a good job of picking them up after that happens.

It's not just coaches....

McGuane
McKenna
Mansfield
Martyn.........It's The Carlton "M" curse ;)

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #160 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Malthouse won 3 flags in 30 years, in comparison, Bummer T 2 in 10 years, Clarkson 2 in 10 years, Pagan 2 in 8 years. Malthouse won 2 of those flags with the powerhouse WCE, juiced up and all. He's won one premiership in the last 20 years and he did a great job of nearly losing that one too. All coaches reach their use by date and we seem to be doing a good job of picking them up after that happens.

51 finals wins. Spin that.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #161 –
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The Blues have their pride, and by lifting their endeavour managed to stall Essendon for half an hour and set the contest to neutral. That is, momentarily they were not a rabble. It didn't last.

The Bombers returned to their well-drilled ways. The Blues soon were again a rabble. Paul Chapman kicked a couple of his pirouette goals, but everything else was the sort of ruthless, relentless style of football that will have every other team looking over their shoulders, and some hearing footsteps.

As for the Blues, their fiercest contest was between Robert Warnock and David Ellard, remonstrating about blame while the Bombers were kicking another goal.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-match-report/bombers-humiliate-old-enemy-20140406-36764.html#ixzz2y9DxfOgg
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #162 –
You can say what you like about the coach, but I was at that game last night and all I saw were players who refused to man up, refused to run and spread, could not deliver by hand or by foot consistently and fumbled the ball like they were a bunch of Auskick kids. This talk about the players wanting to play for the coach may have been true in the 70's and 80's but these guys are professionals and as such at some stage have to be accountable for their own actions. It's called pride. I can't imagine any coach in the AFL would have got that much better a result. It surely must now be apparent to all we don't have the cattle. Our recruitment has been both deplorable and unfortunate. Each of Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer have been underachievers for various reasons, yet they were all rated as no 1 picks by ALL the experts so where did it go wrong? Can't help but concur with others that our development people are incompetent and need to be moved on. Let's bite the bullet and start again.

Consider the following
Short term option, drop these guys
Mitch Robinson too slow and butchers the ball.
Zach Tuohy sadly out of form.
Simon White gives us nothing.
Jeff Garlett nowhere near it without Eddie around.
Sam Rowe not up to it and he won't be around at years end so why play him?
Robert Warnock the biggest spud in AFL football. I sick of other teams laughing at us because of him and his deficiencies.
Bring in whoever is showing ANYTHING in the magoos and who can kick and is willing to give it a crack. Note : NO to Watson


Play these guys ad nauseam even is they play crappola
Troy Menzel
Dylan Buckley


David Ellard like him but what's his long term prospects? Still I'd have him ahead of Jeff at the moment so let him play and Jeff can have a rest and move over to Adelaide with Eddie at years end.
Only one slow butcher allowed at any one time in this team so Tom Bell gets the nod ahead of Robbo but seriously look at cutting him as well at years end.

These guys are going soon but need to be played with one proviso that Walker plays up forward from now on.
Jarrad Waite 31
Andrew Carrazzo 31
Kade Simpson 30
Andrew Walker 28
Michael Jamison 28

These two are probably the only 2 on our list worth anything
Lachie Henderson
Chris Yarran

We should only play one tagger in our team for the rest of the year and that is Ed Curnow at this point in time, with maybe Cachia as the fall back.

Will only ever be good ordinary players
Dale Thomas
Andrejs Everitt

Strategy is to rotate through each and every young kid on our list and see if they can cut it with a view of off-loading anyone who can't kick AND run fast at years end. I would rather lose by 100 points each and every week for the rest of the year and get another wooden spoon and die trying something new than put up with that sort of exhibition again. Let's just make sure we have better recruiting staff than we have now. Make the call now and stop the rot. No more pathetic club propaganda
 

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #163 –
Quote from: rocky – on
You can say what you like about the coach, but I was at that game last night and all I saw were players who refused to man up, refused to run and spread, could not deliver by hand or by foot consistently and fumbled the ball like they were a bunch of Auskick kids. This talk about the players wanting to play for the coach may have been true in the 70's and 80's but these guys are professionals and as such at some stage have to be accountable for their own actions. It's called pride. I can't imagine any coach in the AFL would have got that much better a result. It surely must now be apparent to all we don't have the cattle. Our recruitment has been both deplorable and unfortunate. Each of Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer have been underachievers for various reasons, yet they were all rated as no 1 picks by ALL the experts so where did it go wrong? Can't help but concur with others that our development people are incompetent and need to be moved on. Let's bite the bullet and start again.

Consider the following
Short term option, drop these guys
Mitch Robinson too slow and butchers the ball.
Zach Tuohy sadly out of form.
Simon White gives us nothing.
Jeff Garlett nowhere near it without Eddie around.
Sam Rowe not up to it and he won't be around at years end so why play him?
Robert Warnock the biggest spud in AFL football. I sick of other teams laughing at us because of him and his deficiencies.
Bring in whoever is showing ANYTHING in the magoos and who can kick and is willing to give it a crack. Note : NO to Watson


Play these guys ad nauseam even is they play crappola
Troy Menzel
Dylan Buckley


David Ellard like him but what's his long term prospects? Still I'd have him ahead of Jeff at the moment so let him play and Jeff can have a rest and move over to Adelaide with Eddie at years end.
Only one slow butcher allowed at any one time in this team so Tom Bell gets the nod ahead of Robbo but seriously look at cutting him as well at years end.

These guys are going soon but need to be played with one proviso that Walker plays up forward from now on.
Jarrad Waite 31
Andrew Carrazzo 31
Kade Simpson 30
Andrew Walker 28
Michael Jamison 28

These two are probably the only 2 on our list worth anything
Lachie Henderson
Chris Yarran

We should only play one tagger in our team for the rest of the year and that is Ed Curnow at this point in time, with maybe Cachia as the fall back.

Will only ever be good ordinary players
Dale Thomas
Andrejs Everitt

Strategy is to rotate through each and every young kid on our list and see if they can cut it with a view of off-loading anyone who can't kick AND run fast at years end. I would rather lose by 100 points each and every week for the rest of the year and get another wooden spoon and die trying something new than put up with that sort of exhibition again. Let's just make sure we have better recruiting staff than we have now. Make the call now and stop the rot. No more pathetic club propaganda

makes sense, but sadly it wont happen.
MM said in the presser, he cant wait til the next game comes around
Like a sad gambler that keeps putting in money to get back losses

Re: RD 3 : Carlton VS Essendon (After Siren Shrieking)

Reply #164 –
Quote from: Brettie – on
Quote from: Jofo – on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
I wonder if MM rates his performance as deplorable like Roosy rated his own last week? Or is he just going to blame the players again?

No, MM said he was not prepared for what the Bombers dished up. I take that as a partial confession that he got it wrong.

None of us were prepared not so much for what the Bombers dished-up....moreso what we dished-up. I repeat, that very first clearance of the game became our benchmark for the entire game: no accountability, no pressure.....it was one of the weakest & laziest CFC efforts I've seen in recent memory.

Writing was on the wall for this one I'm afraid. One good quarter should not have hid the putrid stuff we were putting up for most games. This was always going to happen it was just Swan's comments which fast tracked the process. Better Essendon than Melbourne though as if we have any pride we'll bounce back but I would not be surprised if we limped across the line which wouldbe an indication that this group is shot - aside from Judd maybe coming back and dragging us to some wins with his smashed body.