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Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #30 –
I don't understand the hand wringing about this year's form.
The three teams who have beaten us all finished ahead of us last year until we got the free kick from the drug cheats, we finished four games behind Richmond and three behind Essendon and Port beat Collingwood in the first final last year then lost to Geelong by 16 points, they aren't shabby.
Realistically we couldn't have improved much over the summer and Judd is missing (he's still our best player IMO).
We're a middle of the road side or slightly lower, if the supporters and the club can come to terms with it we can start to make the changes that are required.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #31 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
I don't understand the hand wringing about this year's form.
The three teams who have beaten us all finished ahead of us last year until we got the free kick from the drug cheats, we finished four games behind Richmond and three behind Essendon and Port beat Collingwood in the first final last year then lost to Geelong by 16 points, they aren't shabby.
Realistically we couldn't have improved much over the summer and Judd is missing (he's still our best player IMO).
We're a middle of the road side or slightly lower, if the supporters and the club can come to terms with it we can start to make the changes that are required.

Posters here don't want to deal with facts.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #32 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.

The fact is we haven't improved, if we had we would be beating teams that finished above us last year!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #33 –
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“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect.”

― Mark Twain

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #34 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: blue4life – on
I don't understand the hand wringing about this year's form.
The three teams who have beaten us all finished ahead of us last year until we got the free kick from the drug cheats, we finished four games behind Richmond and three behind Essendon and Port beat Collingwood in the first final last year then lost to Geelong by 16 points, they aren't shabby.
Realistically we couldn't have improved much over the summer and Judd is missing (he's still our best player IMO).
We're a middle of the road side or slightly lower, if the supporters and the club can come to terms with it we can start to make the changes that are required.

Posters here don't want to deal with facts.

Fact. We got our ar$es whipped in right royal fashion last Sunday night by a hated enemy and we showed no fight, spirit or pride. Instead we just lay down, cowered in fear and copped it. Hey, but nothing to worry about.  ::)
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #35 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: blue4life – on
I don't understand the hand wringing about this year's form.
The three teams who have beaten us all finished ahead of us last year until we got the free kick from the drug cheats, we finished four games behind Richmond and three behind Essendon and Port beat Collingwood in the first final last year then lost to Geelong by 16 points, they aren't shabby.
Realistically we couldn't have improved much over the summer and Judd is missing (he's still our best player IMO).
We're a middle of the road side or slightly lower, if the supporters and the club can come to terms with it we can start to make the changes that are required.

Posters here don't want to deal with facts.

Fact. We got our ar$es whipped in right royal fashion last Sunday night by a hated enemy and we showed no fight, spirit or pride. Instead we just lay down, cowered in fear and copped it. Hey, but nothing to worry about.  ::)

Yep
We may disagree on what needs to be done...but I think the majority of folk, including those at the club, agree that something needs to be done...a plan for the future...because the Blueprint sure as hell didn't work.

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #36 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.

The fact is we haven't improved, if we had we would be beating teams that finished above us last year!
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.  :P
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Goat – on
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.

The fact is we haven't improved, if we had we would be beating teams that finished above us last year!
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.  :P

 ;D
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #38 –
Quote from: LP – on
OK which one of you works for the Carlton marketing department?

Seriously, stuff we post here turns up on the Carlton website or in the newspapers faster than a story about a politician being proven right!

I mean a web page on the club website listing a summary of Carlton in the news after pages and pages on here calling for realism in club statements. Sorry Carlton FC, but you cannot win, and you have completely missed the point!

Tell us something the newspapers haven't told us already, tell us something real!

I think that's what they're doing now - a brave 1st step, perhaps. It's unchartered waters! But good on them for have the guts to do it.

I doubt they can tell us anything we don't already know... we thought our list was terrific - hard nosed coach showed us it isn't - we've faced the fact we need to rebuild (but to what extent is still the question and maybe we need this season to find out) - need to cull last of the non-hackers - recruit better (positive signs of that already) and develop better.

Ps. Did work in marketing many moons ago - did alright actually, but hated it.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #39 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Quote from: Goat – on
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.

The fact is we haven't improved, if we had we would be beating teams that finished above us last year!
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.  :P

 ;D

technically, we were 0 - 3 last year this time

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #40 –
Agree with Blue for Life.

We have been middle rung or lower for some time. Between a "jobs for the boys" recruiting dept. and the compromised draft, we have gone no-where.

To me the MM hire was a man who desperately wanted to stay in the game, matched perfectly with a board living in the past and wanting a quick win.

It just a repeat of Pagan, a per-retirement lap of dollars for a last decade game plan.

Its a repeat down to the expensive indulgence of a coaches pet.

Carlton owes Mick nothing, and he has a worse record than Ratten.

My wish is for a board, coach and recruiting dept. who are living in the present.

Not so long ago we had a high-school principle coaching the reserves - in his spare time.
Carlton has still not made it fully into the salary cap + draft professional era.

Hopefully the picks we get this year after a 10-14 finish from a tougher draw, plus the better looking footballers from the last two drafts - can be the basis for a genuinely competitive side, supported by an upgraded board.

Mick can stay - he can coach, but only without the decrepit "boundary line" game plan.

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #41 –
Quote from: thrunthrublu – on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Quote from: Goat – on
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.

The fact is we haven't improved, if we had we would be beating teams that finished above us last year!
Posters here don't want to deal with facts.  :P

 ;D

technically, we were 0 - 3 last year this time
i think that is a fact.
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #42 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
we thought our list was terrific - hard nosed coach showed us it isn't -

Thank goodness Mick came along and showed us how terrible our list actually is LOL
 

Re: "Carlton Must Voice Realistic Goals To Members" - (Patrick Smith) SEN

Reply #44 –
Quote from: thrunthrublu – on
technically, we were 0 - 3 last year this time

and the same people had the same hissy fit this time last year and Mick shut them up in September, well for 2 minutes anyway.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!