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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -All this talk about us not playing "AFL standard blokes", can you believe that stiff is a premiership player!?! So yea, every side plays a banana or two.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by laj -I don't mean to be offensive, but how in God's name did Denver Grainger-Barras get selected so high? I can't say that I've seen much of him before, but he reminded me more of Monahan last season, or Duffy this season. He doesn't look smooth, he's awkward and doesn't run to the right spots ...
Granted that he was useful last night, but ...
I think he has done his dash as a defender. Do we persevere with him as a forward? He ended up getting enough ball to be dangerous and he does leap well (although he doesn't always get close to it). His kicking ... his kicking reminded more of Percy Jones, to be honest.
The moment I said in the game thread he was having a decent again, marks, 2 goals, he suddenly couldn't hit the side of a barn door from point blank range.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Professer E -24
Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Lods -I am a little surprised at some of the strong comments about Friday night (I did end up watching most of it):
- it wasn't a great side selected and going to lose by plenty.
- there have been doubts for ages about Cripps', Weiters' fitness and chat about Curnow's. Leaving them out for who to come in?
I suggested last week that Ben come in for Cripps and Lemmey come in for Charlie.
What could we lose by giving them a game?
Lost by 70 instead of 50-odd?
Give them a start and see what happens. Playing an injured and out of form Cripps and Charlie helped us work out.....what exactly?
We are not in a position that we try and win at all costs right now. So lets try and get at least some benefit from it by learning about the kids.
It might be about finding the right moment and the right side to bring them in against.
Do we go for the 'hard' lesson
Moore on Lemmey, or Ben C against the Collingwood midfield might have been an excellent learning experience.
It could also be a confidence sapper.
I'm not sure the Brisbane game is the right one either.
Melbourne would be the game.
But we'll see what they do it might be this week.
When they do get their chance we have to appreciate this is just for development purposes and judge them accordingly.
Lemmey's out of contract this year but I reckon he's worth persisting with for another year
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Lods -Boyd pushing Cox off the ball was gold.
Got a big 'Boydy' from someone in the crowd.
Almost a promotable contest.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 15 2025 Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Professer E -27
Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by kruddler -I am a little surprised at some of the strong comments about Friday night (I did end up watching most of it):
- it wasn't a great side selected and going to lose by plenty.
- there have been doubts for ages about Cripps', Weiters' fitness and chat about Curnow's. Leaving them out for who to come in?
I suggested last week that Ben come in for Cripps and Lemmey come in for Charlie.
What could we lose by giving them a game?
Lost by 70 instead of 50-odd?
Give them a start and see what happens. Playing an injured and out of form Cripps and Charlie helped us work out.....what exactly?
We are not in a position that we try and win at all costs right now. So lets try and get at least some benefit from it by learning about the kids.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by dodge -- it wasn't a great side selected and going to lose by plenty.
- there have been doubts for ages about Cripps', Weiters' fitness and chat about Curnow's. Leaving them out for who to come in?
- Playing a heap of 'kids' at once doesn't do them favours if they have no guidance/not enough support on the ground - we continue to see this.
- some players shake hands before a game. Charlie did the equivalent. What's the big deal?
- one of our biggest weaknesses for a very long time has been player development.
- we are not a highly skilled side and often miss (easy) targets. We play as if they are going to be hit, so find it hard to recover when the opposition pick us off. Lot of energy wasted trying to make amends. This is getting worse the deeper down the list we go, which has to affect morale and confidence.
- we seem to try to get 'hail Mary' player selections. Doesn't pay off very often.
- An issue of having (seemingly) highly paid top 6-8, is that the $$ are tighter further down, which will make it hard to attract enough quality players.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by PaulP -Totally agree.
Part of the issue is that some of the players you mention (Weitering, Cripps) are forced to carry an extra load because of missing parts of the structure.
It also means they lack the support that would normally allow them to play their natural games.
McKay, Curnow and especially Walsh are injury carrying/ susceptible.
They're a different kettle of fish.
I'd add Jack to that list because he's become an important part of the defensive structure this year and a support for Weitering.
To me their effectiveness and returning to something approaching their best (and that includes their durability and consistency of performance) is very much a wait and see.
That all sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by Lods -To put it another way, I still believe that Harry, Charlie, Walsh, Cripps, Weitering etc still have within them the potential to play much better than they're playing now. I don't believe they've fallen off a cliff.
Totally agree.
Part of the issue is that some of the players you mention (Weitering, Cripps) are forced to carry an extra load because of missing parts of the structure.
It also means they lack the support that would normally allow them to play their natural games.
McKay, Curnow and especially Walsh are injury carrying/ susceptible.
They're a different kettle of fish.
I'd add Jack to that list because he's become an important part of the defensive structure this year and a support for Weitering.
To me their effectiveness and returning to something approaching their best (and that includes their durability and consistency of performance) is very much a wait and see.