Carlton Supporters Club

Sunday May 1st at 1520 at the MCG. It is our home game.
Some wags out there have claimed that this game is the 'GF' for us and the Drug Cheats. I find that unlikely, as there are some ordinary teams out there. However, I hope to see a LOT of Carlton supporters at this game. I really want to give it to the Drug Cheats.

Now we have our 1st win, this game is no longer quite what the pundits thought it would be.
I guess it will also depend on how the Drug Cheats go against Collingwood tomorrow.
However, if we can produce an effort like that (with perhaps, a bit more skill), I am a LOT more confident about winning 2 in a row.

I reckon it's On Like Donkey Kong tomorrow and they will beat the crap out of each other for a win on the day.

I reckon it's On Like Donkey Kong tomorrow and they will beat the crap out of each other for a win on the day.

We can hope. :) Only problem is that I don't think either team remembers how to do it at the moment. But who knows?

Hopefully today they both go hell for leather and are too stuffed to give a $h1t about next week. Chalk up another win for us.

Hopefully today they both go hell for leather and are too stuffed to give a $h1t about next week. Chalk up another win for us.

The extra day's rest should hopefully help us against the Essendon Football Retirees Club.

We have a few guys still not getting much of the ball, no matter how improved our work rate all over the ground has been. Therefore I am pretty certain that Armfield will get a game. His raw pace will be very useful.
Bolts appears to be a guy who likes to reward emergencies, especially as they can often have no chance of showing their wares. That makes me wonder if Simon White will be in the mix. I think it more likely that he will play in the VFL this week: his maturity and strength are probably the difference between winning and losing at that level.
Tutt must also be not too far away, as he is getting leather poisoning at VFL level.

Jamison probably won't get a game our defence stood up very well against a team with premiership aspirations.  (Doesn't matter that this is unrealistic at this point, but Freo thought they were good enough.) Nor was his form impressive enough to be a reasonable inclusion.
Similarly I can't see Kristian Jaksch getting a game. Our forward structure is still in need of improvement, but importing Jaksch would require the export of Jones or Casboult or a ruckman. I can't see that happening yet.

At the moment, Buckley and Tuohy appear most likely to make way, with neither having been getting a lot of the ball in recent times. Buckley's role looks more expendable at the moment, as Tuohy has been defending reasonably.
I've said this a number of times, but I would like to see Tuohy play a little further up field with an attacking role - say, on the wing. His strength and good disposal would be more beneficial and he would be able to get into the play more.
Similarly, I think Buckley plays better in defence: his concentration is better and he loves to run off his man and drive the ball forward.

I'll be looking especially for Jones to build on his work on Sunday and hopefully to working in an effective partnership with Levi. Add in young Charlie C, who does impress me, and hopefully our forward structure can start to be more effective.

What's happened to Walks?

We have a few guys still not getting much of the ball, no matter how improved our work rate all over the ground has been. Therefore I am pretty certain that Armfield will get a game. His raw pace will be very useful.
Bolts appears to be a guy who likes to reward emergencies, especially as they can often have no chance of showing their wares. That makes me wonder if Simon White will be in the mix. I think it more likely that he will play in the VFL this week: his maturity and strength are probably the difference between winning and losing at that level.
Tutt must also be not too far away, as he is getting leather poisoning at VFL level.

Jamison probably won't get a game our defence stood up very well against a team with premiership aspirations.  (Doesn't matter that this is unrealistic at this point, but Freo thought they were good enough.) Nor was his form impressive enough to be a reasonable inclusion.
Similarly I can't see Kristian Jaksch getting a game. Our forward structure is still in need of improvement, but importing Jaksch would require the export of Jones or Casboult or a ruckman. I can't see that happening yet.

At the moment, Buckley and Tuohy appear most likely to make way, with neither having been getting a lot of the ball in recent times. Buckley's role looks more expendable at the moment, as Tuohy has been defending reasonably.
I've said this a number of times, but I would like to see Tuohy play a little further up field with an attacking role - say, on the wing. His strength and good disposal would be more beneficial and he would be able to get into the play more.
Similarly, I think Buckley plays better in defence: his concentration is better and he loves to run off his man and drive the ball forward.

Maybe Touhy is adding something to Byrne's game with some guidance but his own game as been ordinary this season IMO and he is lucky to be in the team and is using some of those runs in the bank he has built up early in his career.

Couple of Essendon players who worry us are Daniher, Goddard and Zaharakis......the former is their main avenue to goal and has been playing well.....too big for Plowman, probably ditto for Weitering although our bloke is  a smart young player with that happy knack of being able to get the spoil in and then there is Rowe who beat the Pav yesterday but who worries me vs the younger quicker kids...
Goddard is interesting..he drifts forward to kick goals and also hangs around half back to take intercept marks and pick up cheap kicks but I dont see him at the coalface very often but he is destructive when he gets the ball and we cant have him racking up 25 possies and kicking 2-3 goals.
Zaharakis goes under the radar but can win games with goals at crucial times and I am sick of seeing him in their best players with a few goals against his name when they play us..

Kruezer needs a big game vs Luenberger who has lifted at his new club.....I have been on MK's back but I thought he started well vs Freo but seemed to drift out of the game.....Philips also did some good things and was handy in the ruck...

What's happened to Walks?

Calf injury according to the CFC website - 1 week, although I don't know when that was last updated.

What's happened to Walks?

Injured/Redundant...C.Curnow has taken his place and as KC and the Sunshine band said.." thats the way I like it"...

Changes

Jaksch in/one ruckman out.

Casboult into the ruck where he can use his strength, his marking, to the advantage of the side. Much better than him kicking at goal..lol.

Injured/Redundant...C.Curnow has taken his place and as KC and the Sunshine band said.." that the way I like it"...

Yep tend to agree, the end could be coming thick and fast for Walks unfortunately. Really no point in him getting games ahead of Lamb, Sumner and especially CC. SOS to get the no.1 jumper next year  ;) ;D

I think there are quite a few blokes who would still be well behind a fit 1AW in the pecking order, age or youth is irrelevant.

@EB1

Don't forget Zac Merrett Elwood. He seems to be having a breakout year and could be a handful. Ed Curnow could well be put onto him?

Tackling number down again against Dockers - don't know why we can't tackle.

Changes

Jaksch in/one ruckman out.

Casboult into the ruck where he can use his strength, his marking, to the advantage of the side. Much better than him kicking at goal..lol.

Reckon they might leave the two specialist rucks in vs Luenberger to work him over and use Casboult out at CHF.....be Hartley or Brown picking him up.
Brown is a bit of a intercept marking type and has taken over form Hooker in that role, I reckon they might be wanting to make sure he isnt allowed to be free without a taller opponent
tp keep him honest....Hartley is a ex VFL player and I would see him getting the less potent Jones...

Dont get me wrong, I like Jaksch and like the balance he would give us but I think they wont tinker much this week..

@EB1

Don't forget Zac Merrett Elwood. He seems to be having a breakout year and could be a handful. Ed Curnow could well be put onto him?

Yep...good call Cookie...ZM has slipped under the radar a bit and is an improved player and will need someone to keep him company...
Maybe Ed Curnow for ZM and B. Gibbs for Goddard.....

For me I'd play Ciaran Byrne on Goddard, good size match, Byrne is OK overhead, and probably has Goddard covered for pace.

Great opportunity in my opinion for Byrne to get hold of a significant scalp.

1 of 2 must win games for the season! :D

We'll take some confidence from last weeks win, here's hoping we can repeat !!

Injured/Redundant...C.Curnow has taken his place and as KC and the Sunshine band said.." thats the way I like it"...

While I agree with a bit of that I want to see Walks get to 200 games.

I'm getting the strong feeling that BB is very reluctant to bring in the older players currently  not getting a game plus any that are playing who don't perform will quickly be moved out - Zach T. look out. The focus is on youth with the older guys as backup.

Calf injury according to the CFC website - 1 week, although I don't know when that was last updated.

Thanks mate, although you can take what the club says with a grain of salt.
We can probably expect to see him back in a month or so.

I think there are quite a few blokes who would still be well behind a fit 1AW in the pecking order, age or youth is irrelevant.

I agree LP, he's still under 30, although only just, and his ball skills are among the best at the club.

I'm getting the strong feeling that BB is very reluctant to bring in the older players currently  not getting a game plus any that are playing who don't perform will quickly be moved out - Zach T. look out.

Zach is as safe as houses, among the first half dozen picked.

Zach is as safe as houses, among the first half dozen picked.

He needs a good one soon IMO. I noticed that Docherty had replaced him taking the kick outs on Sunday, I think Byrne could push for his spot - but we'll see I guess.

He needs a good one soon IMO. I noticed that Docherty had replaced him taking the kick outs on Sunday, I think Byrne could push for his spot - but we'll see I guess.

He has good and bad patches in games. The defence coaches need to work with him on the defensive side of his game. His man lost him a couple of times too easily.

Well, they won't be tired for next week. Nearly 10 goals behind with plenty yo go in the second.

He has good and bad patches in games. The defence coaches need to work with him on the defensive side of his game. His man lost him a couple of times too easily.

Defenders cop a rough deal, they're bound to lose a few one on one contests but when they do it's costly,  a forward gets beaten or doesn't even make it to the contest and no one seems bothered so much.
Touhy's foot skills are as good as anyone at Carlton, he's quick, strong and has a natural attacking instinct.
His good far outweighs the bad in my opinion.

Defenders cop a rough deal, they're bound to lose a few one on one contests but when they do it's costly,  a forward gets beaten or doesn't even make it to the contest and no one seems bothered so much.
Touhy's foot skills are as good as anyone at Carlton, he's quick, strong and has a natural attacking instinct.
His good far outweighs the bad in my opinion.

Do not disagree with any of that except that last sentence, in particular the far outweighs bit. I think if we could slot a more natural defender in his spot (say Byrne), 2E could be a weapon further up the ground for us. Thats a win-win AFAIC.

Do not disagree with any of that except that last sentence, in particular the far outweighs bit. I think if we could slot a more natural defender in his spot (say Byrne), 2E could be a weapon further up the ground for us. Thats a win-win AFAIC.

Far too much heart in the mouth stuff for my taste with Tuohy in defence atm. (Well I don't like the taste of it!).

Far too much heart in the mouth stuff for my taste with Tuohy in defence atm. (Well I don't like the taste of it!).

Most of our defence has been fine this season. The problems are caused by a lack of forward presence and forward tackling pressure. Opposition clubs are transitioning far too easily against us and it leaves our defenders out of position. Lamb is an improvement, and Wright is rolled gold when he's deep in the F50, but we need quite a few more getting to the fall of the ball inside F50 especially if the big blokes aren't going to clunk a dozen marks each per game.

We have a few guys still not getting much of the ball, no matter how improved our work rate all over the ground has been. Therefore I am pretty certain that Armfield will get a game. His raw pace will be very useful.

Jamison probably won't get a game our defence stood up very well against a team with premiership aspirations. 

Armfield for Buckley would probably be a positive.

If fit, Jamison should come under consideration as an opponent for Daniher - despite less than brilliant form, Jamo is still our best tall defender against a leading forward because the others (apart from Byrne) lack closing speed and/or reach. Also, Weitering has been a more attacking player in the games that Jamo has played.

Daniher is still lightly framed and relies up jumping at the ball.  Doesn't like body pressure.

Why isn't Buckley developing?
I though he would be much better than he is currently playing. Is he trying too hard?

Armfield for Buckley would probably be a positive.

If fit, Jamison should come under consideration as an opponent for Daniher - despite less than brilliant form, Jamo is still our best tall defender against a leading forward because the others (apart from Byrne) lack closing speed and/or reach. Also, Weitering has been a more attacking player in the games that Jamo has played.

Plowman and weitering have made Jamo redundant.

Both are better at closing, both can actually spoil and both have a level of ability above what he does.

Jamo has been a good servant but he is now our backup defender and will only play if the others don't.

Zach is as safe as houses, among the first half dozen picked.

I'm with Cookie on Zac...been ordinary this season and needs to improve, plenty of errors and his decision making seems suspect under pressure.
However there isnt much apart from Dick in the NB's to take his spot as a specialist half back ..

re: Buckley...I'd go with him again this week, does have a crack and we need leg speed...making silly errors for sure but the effort is always there and
I think we need to persist with him ahead of players like Armfield who are not the future...
If you want to drop Buckley then replace him with Boekhorst if fit, DVR, Smith etc..I like Army but he is backup these days only IMO

Plowman and weitering have made Jamo redundant.

Both are better at closing, both can actually spoil and both have a level of ability above what he does.

Jamo has been a good servant but he is now our backup defender and will only play if the others don't.

I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form.  At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward.  However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back.  I hope I'm proved wrong.

I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form.  At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward.  However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back.  I hope I'm proved wrong.

Jamisons shoulders are that cooked that he can't actually stop his opponent.

I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form.  At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward.  However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back.  I hope I'm proved wrong.

Bit of a message from the coach being dropped and I reckon he may call it quits before seasons end and allow Jessie G Mac a promotion so he can have a taste of senior footy..

Bit of a message from the coach being dropped and I reckon he may call it quits before seasons end and allow Jessie G Mac a promotion so he can have a taste of senior footy..

Is G-Mac actually playing well in the VFL or are we just hopeful everything will just fall into place for him? Really hope he does become a player because that would just about set our defence for the next 15 years. Would love to get some feed back off those who have seen him play.

I wonder if the 1st yr players like JW will need a break at some point. This could be where Jamo etc. would  be able to just walk in. Thoughts...

Is G-Mac actually playing well in the VFL or are we just hopeful everything will just fall into place for him?

In this case we are pinning our hopes on a young kid who was overlooked by every club in the main draft last year and was grabbed in the rookie draft. Check the NB coaches notes and watch the kid live.  Could be good in the future but far from near it yet.  As a key position player he probably needs 2 good preseasons. We are 'developing' a very good team not fast tracking one.  JMG and young SOS are our future not our present.  We killed off Krooze too early as did Melbourne with Watts.  Give them as taste at the right time but don't think they are ready to go. Weitering is a freak and an exception not the rule.  Patience is the key. 

I wonder if the 1st yr players like JW will need a break at some point. This could be where Jamo etc. would  be able to just walk in. Thoughts...

I hope they are cautious with all of them.

. Weitering is a freak and an exception not the rule.  Patience is the key.

C Curnow can be thrown into the same boat, he has been pretty good. Initially it looked like it would be a while before he broke into the side.

I heard that the club  over-looked Collins as they thought that JGM would be available late (rookie pick #1) due to his perceived "kicking issues".  If SOS couldn't pick a key defender, who could?

I heard that the club  over-looked Collins as they thought that JGM would be available late (rookie pick #1) due to his perceived "kicking issues".  If SOS couldn't pick a key defender, who could?

As long as they are picking footballers and not athletes I don't care. Collins is a serious footballer, I don't know enough about JGM to confidently comment but sheez he's stacked on some size in a short period of time! Some clubs were concerned about Collin's perceived lack of closing speed / pace, but keep in mind Weitering is not that fast(Not that slow either!) but knows where to be so he often seems to have time, space and momentum on his side.

In this case we are pinning our hopes on a young kid who was overlooked by every club in the main draft last year and was grabbed in the rookie draft. Check the NB coaches notes and watch the kid live.  Could be good in the future but far from near it yet.  As a key position player he probably needs 2 good preseasons. We are 'developing' a very good team not fast tracking one.  JMG and young SOS are our future not our present.  We killed off Krooze too early as did Melbourne with Watts.  Give them as taste at the right time but don't think they are ready to go. Weitering is a freak and an exception not the rule.  Patience is the key.

There is a bit of hope pinning going on but for what I understand good reason.

I have a heard a story that apparently he wasnt all that keen on footy till his final year of school and was playing basketball (good hands in close, big tick) up until 2014.  He was able to contain Josh Schache and wore him like a glove, and is a 198cm sized player who likes to run and create as well as stop his opponent.

Generally regarded as a "safe kick" if not a good one, which Im not entirely sure what that means, and he tested well at the combine.

Regarded as a raw AFL talent, but one with a future and has had exposure at either end of the ground.

Now, what that means for us is that he is tagged with the potential tag.  Will he get it together?  Who knows, but he has 3 years on our rookie list to show something, and people are likewise excited because its a bloke that Bolton will get his hands on rather than anyone else.

Based on that write up, at worst he is a replacement for Rowe and will give us similar.  At best he will be an upgrade on Rowe and will give us more.

Im happy with that.

Should he play soon?  no chance.

We will see how we go with him.

Based on that write up, at worst he is a replacement for Rowe and will give us similar.  At best he will be an upgrade on Rowe and will give us more.

At worst, Glass-McCasker will be delisted without playing a senior game.  He has a long way to go before he is a chance to displace Rowe or get ahead of Jamison in the pecking order.  However, we do have a good record in developing rookies into capable defenders and using a rookie pick on Glass-McCasker was a good decision.  Time will tell whether it will pay off.

I can't really see any changes to our defence for the Essendon game.  I don't think Bolton is the type of coach who will gift games to fringe players and, from the reports of the NBs game, none of our new blokes are putting their hands up, with the possible exception of Tutt.

Of the established players, Armfield seems to be the only one who has done enough to merit senior selection.  I think he would provide more as a defensive forward than Buckley has so far, but Buckley is getting better as he learns the role.

I suspect that the only changes this week will be to the emergencies.  Team selection this week will reveal a little more about Bolton's thinking.

Seven's commentators effectively dismissed Essendon's chances of a win next week and I think they're right - as long as we don't revert to our NAB Challenge team. 

At worst, Glass-McCasker will be delisted without playing a senior game.  He has a long way to go before he is a chance to displace Rowe or get ahead of Jamison in the pecking order.  However, we do have a good record in developing rookies into capable defenders and using a rookie pick on Glass-McCasker was a good decision.  Time will tell whether it will pay off.

I can't really see any changes to our defence for the Essendon game.  I don't think Bolton is the type of coach who will gift games to fringe players and, from the reports of the NBs game, none of our new blokes are putting their hands up, with the possible exception of Tutt.

Of the established players, Armfield seems to be the only one who has done enough to merit senior selection.  I think he would provide more as a defensive forward than Buckley has so far, but Buckley is getting better as he learns the role.

I suspect that the only changes this week will be to the emergencies.  Team selection this week will reveal a little more about Bolton's thinking.

Seven's commentators effectively dismissed Essendon's chances of a win next week and I think they're right - as long as we don't revert to our NAB Challenge team.

Won't be a blow out as we won't ever get that far in front. Just hope we don't give these cheats too much of a sniff.

back to back?

I would bet their will still be a couple of changes... might help freshen us up on the back of the trip to Perth, and we have a few guys who are playing on limited preparations.

And we didn't really play that well.

Looks like Everitt, Walker, Armfield & Boekhorst could all be available.

I would bet their will still be a couple of changes... might help freshen us up on the back of the trip to Perth, and we have a few guys who are playing on limited preparations.

And we didn't really play that well.

Looks like Everitt, Walker, Armfield & Boekhorst could all be available.

I think we'll definitely be strongly selecting for another win v. the Bummers and so a bit more experience may well be in the selectors minds.

I think we'll definitely be strongly selecting for another win v. the Bummers and so a bit more experience may well be in the selectors minds.

Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing what is in the selectors' minds but, apart from Armfield, our experienced players didn't put their hands up in the NBs.  Perhaps White is in with a chance.

As to who would go out, Buckley, Lamb and Sumner would have to be most likely.

I would bet their will still be a couple of changes... might help freshen us up on the back of the trip to Perth, and we have a few guys who are playing on limited preparations.

And we didn't really play that well.

Looks like Everitt, Walker, Armfield & Boekhorst could all be available.

All calves and hamstrings.

Wonder if there was something in our pre-season?. Even SOS had  a string.

All calves and hamstrings.

Wonder if there was something in our pre-season?. Even SOS had  a string.

Yep, running, less interchange and no sub rule! ;)

At worst, Glass-McCasker will be delisted without playing a senior game.  He has a long way to go before he is a chance to displace Rowe or get ahead of Jamison in the pecking order.  However, we do have a good record in developing rookies into capable defenders and using a rookie pick on Glass-McCasker was a good decision.  Time will tell whether it will pay off.

I can't really see any changes to our defence for the Essendon game.  I don't think Bolton is the type of coach who will gift games to fringe players and, from the reports of the NBs game, none of our new blokes are putting their hands up, with the possible exception of Tutt.

Of the established players, Armfield seems to be the only one who has done enough to merit senior selection.  I think he would provide more as a defensive forward than Buckley has so far, but Buckley is getting better as he learns the role.

I suspect that the only changes this week will be to the emergencies.  Team selection this week will reveal a little more about Bolton's thinking.

Seven's commentators effectively dismissed Essendon's chances of a win next week and I think they're right - as long as we don't revert to our NAB Challenge team.

I was thinking more long term DJC.  When I look at our playing group, I see two 22's.  The one that is for the now, and the one that is what we transition to moving forward.  In any given week we will mix these teams up, and some of our best 22 moving forward will be the same as the one that plays now, whilst some of our blokes are in neither.

Thats the sort of forward planning we have been missing, and most likely due to having too many holes in the side.

You can't have contingencies for everyone, but if we look at what replaces our oldest players now, we can worry about the other missing links later and not free fall like we did in case a replacement doesnt work and we can also get them up to speed whilst they have someone to learn their role off, and then they can pass that knowledge on to the next crop of youngsters.


So for me we have the following with the future of our best 22 in Brackets  these should ebb and flow based on who is ready sooner or who has improved immensely:


FB:----Weitering(Weitering)---------Jamison(Plowman)------------Simpson(Docherty)

HB: White(Byrne)--------------Rowe(Glass-Mckasker)-----------------Tuohy(Skittles)

C:   Murphy(Graham)--------------Kerridge(Cunningham)---------------------------Thomas(Boekhorst)

HF:  Everitt(Silvagni)---------Casboult(Mckay)-------------------Gibbs(Sumner)

FF:   --Walker(C. Curnow)--------------Jones(Jaksch)----------------------Wright(Lamb)

F:  Kreuzer(Korcheck)---------Cripps(Cripps)----------------------------E.Curnow(Whiley)


*INT: Tutt, Armfield, Phillips(Gorringe), Buckley (Smith)

*I have put some current interchange players into one or the other best 22 for a purpose else they would be there instead of our future best 22.  Im looking longer term than just 3 years away as we want to win multiple flags rather than just one and to do that we need to forward plan much better than we used to, and not just fling blokes to fill a perceived need without looking at the overall effect of it.

Guys like Foster, Gowers, Wood, Sheehan, Dick need to get a move on and establish themselves as a future replacement for one of our current elderstatesmen as they will be pushed out for someone who will be.

Thats not to say that we wont fling anyone else either who currently is in our best 22, but I get the idea that this is how we should think of our team moving forward.

Looks like Everitt, Walker, Armfield & Boekhorst could all be available.

Everitt for Jones should be a no-brainer, so should Walker or Boekhorst for Buckley.
We need our forwards getting their hands on the ball.
A win on the weekend shouldn't guarantee any spots, Essendon are an above average VFL team this season.

Everitt for Jones should be a no-brainer, so should Walker or Boekhorst for Buckley.
We need our forwards getting their hands on the ball.
A win on the weekend shouldn't guarantee any spots, Essendon are an above average VFL team this season.

Everitt cant replace Jones.

It sends the wrong message.

Jones actually tries.  Everitt just coasts around waiting to kick a couple of goals.

Everitt cant replace Jones.

It sends the wrong message.

Jones actually tries.  Everitt just coasts around waiting to kick a couple of goals.

Everitt has averaged about 16 touches a game since he came to Carlton, that says he's doing more than coasting to me.
Jones has averaged just over 5 at Carlton and single figures over his 76 game career, he just doesn't get hold of the ball and it isn't about to change.

I think it would send a very poor message if, after playing well in the seconds and performing reasonably in your one outing in the firsts, we were to drop Jones.

Everitt has averaged about 16 touches a game since he came to Carlton, that says he's doing more than coasting to me.
Jones has averaged just over 5 at Carlton and single figures over his 76 game career, he just doesn't get hold of the ball and it isn't about to change.

It's about what they did last week, not last season.

From all reports Everitt was invisible in the magoos and that was after he had been terrible all NAB cup an his first game of the year.

Jones has played well for two weeks in the magoos and worked his arse off (i watched him closely) in the firsts.

It's about what they did last week, not last season.

From all reports Everitt was invisible in the magoos and that was after he had been terrible all NAB cup an his first game of the year.

Jones has played well for two weeks in the magoos and worked his arse off (i watched him closely) in the firsts.

x 2. As you said, sends the wrong message. BB is a smart operator, its all about teaching and learning but they are made to know where the stand in no uncertain terms. Jones did well in the 2s to earn the spot and did nothing wrong to lose it. Very hard to change a team that gutsed out a win at Subi versus last years league leaders, unless of course some guns are screaming for their spots back but I cant think of any.

It's about what they did last week, not last season.

From all reports Everitt was invisible in the magoos and that was after he had been terrible all NAB cup an his first game of the year.

Jones has played well for two weeks in the magoos and worked his arse off (i watched him closely) in the firsts.

x3. Precisely. Jones earned his spot in the seniors and showed composure at critical moments to kick goals. Everitt's performance for the NBs said nothing about demanding attention/recall - failed to impact the game sufficiently (according to reports).

Armfield has put two very good performances together in the NBs - putting his hand up for recall (replace Buckley?).

Boekhorst should come back through the NBs. Walks also perhaps.

x3. Precisely. Jones earned his spot in the seniors and showed composure at critical moments to kick goals. Everitt's performance for the NBs said nothing about demanding attention/recall - failed to impact the game sufficiently (according to reports).

Armfield has put two very good performances together in the NBs - putting his hand up for recall (replace Buckley?).

Boekhorst should come back through the NBs. Walks also perhaps.

What role has Army been playing in the magoos, Baggers?

He only ever really been a defensive forward or tagger in the top side. It will be interesting to see if they have a place for him because I don't know if he'd get a midfield spot.

I think it would send a very poor message if, after playing well in the seconds and performing reasonably in your one outing in the firsts, we were to drop Jones.

The last 10 minutes aside Jones didn't perform reasonably well, until then he had barely touched the ball and missed a simple set shot.
That said, if Everitt did nothing or next to nothing in the VFL then he shouldn't play seniors.
Our lack of even one decent key forward needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency in the next off season, until it is we won't be going far.

The last 10 minutes aside Jones didn't perform reasonably well, until then he had barely touched the ball and missed a simple set shot.
That said, if Everitt did nothing or next to nothing in the VFL then he shouldn't play seniors.
Our lack of even one decent key forward needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency in the next off season, until it is we won't be going far.

He did perform reasonably well. Did you see the delivery into our forward line?

It's a team game and Jones worked really hard, which had been one of the knocks on him. TV didn't give an indication.

Liam's improvement in the magoos was on the back of being able to run at packs and take marks and working hard. The delivery didn't allow for running at the ball (apart from the Kerridge kick which he marked) so all he could do was pressure and lock the ball in. Which he did.

The last 10 minutes aside Jones didn't perform reasonably well, until then he had barely touched the ball and missed a simple set shot.
That said, if Everitt did nothing or next to nothing in the VFL then he shouldn't play seniors.
Our lack of even one decent key forward needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency in the next off season, until it is we won't be going far.

Let Gibbs be our key forward, he can slot them from 50. ???

What role has Army been playing in the magoos, Baggers?

He only ever really been a defensive forward or tagger in the top side. It will be interesting to see if they have a place for him because I don't know if he'd get a midfield spot.

With Buckley having a calf strain and out for at least a week you'd think that Den would be an ideal replacement as a small, quick, defensive forward. Likes to kick a goal as well and could go for a brief run through the mid-field.

With Buckley having a calf strain and out for at least a week you'd think that Den would be an ideal replacement as a small, quick, defensive forward. Likes to kick a goal as well and could go for a brief run through the mid-field.

Didn't know about the calf strain.

Makes sense. Probably him or Tutt I suppose.

Although, against a weakened Bombers, they might be tempted to play a Cuningham or DVR.

He did perform reasonably well. Did you see the delivery into our forward line?

It's a team game and Jones worked really hard, which had been one of the knocks on him. TV didn't give an indication.

Fair enough.
I hope Jones shows some decent form for the rest of the season but I'm not confident that he will.

I think it would send a very poor message if, after playing well in the seconds and performing reasonably in your one outing in the firsts, we were to drop Jones.

If Bolts rewards places for effort, young Andreas ain't going anywhere. He was non existent on Saturday, wasn't involved and didn't look like he wanted to be.

Armfield or Tutt for Buckley will it I think.

Armfield or Tutt for Buckley will it I think.

These guys have some runs on the board in the VFL, most noticeably in the last 2 weeks. So one of them would be the favourite and would deserve a go.
DVR might have been in the picture if he'd had a better game against Port Melbourne.

I would not be bringing Walker directly in. He needs some time to warm up, as his first up effort generally isn't that flash.
Everitt has to stay in the VFL until he makes a real contribution, not just talking to the press after the game.
I would also bring Boekhorst back via the VFL. He was reasonable before he got injured but is too spasmodic as yet. Let him get 25 - 30 possessions in the VFL and then he makes his won case.

No to Tutt....Essendon's modus operandi vs us is to be physical and intimidate, even though they are down on some of their physical personnel I dont expect Worsfiold to change what has been successful vs us .....too many flyweights and boys wont get it done IMO...
We need to set the example early and be harder than them and take no prisoners....beating Freo wont mean much if we lose to these maggots....and the worst way to lose would be by being weak and walked all over....

Armfield looks like the only fit option left or perhaps DVJR.

No to Tutt....Essendon's modus operandi vs us is to be physical and intimidate, even though they are down on some of their physical personnel I dont expect Worsfiold to change what has been successful vs us .....too many flyweights and boys wont get it done IMO...
We need to set the example early and be harder than them and take no prisoners....beating Freo wont mean much if we lose to these maggots....and the worst way to lose would be by being weak and walked all over....

Wise words EB, we need to be strong and bully them and get stuck into that clown Goddard who believes everything that comes out of his mouth.
Would love to beat em and beat em well. >:D

No to Tutt....Essendon's modus operandi vs us is to be physical and intimidate, even though they are down on some of their physical personnel I dont expect Worsfiold to change what has been successful vs us .....too many flyweights and boys wont get it done IMO...
We need to set the example early and be harder than them and take no prisoners....beating Freo wont mean much if we lose to these maggots....and the worst way to lose would be by being weak and walked all over....

Interesting re the intimidation...I think Bynne, Wright and Kerridge all add extra muscle to the lineup. Casboult, Touhy Docherty (Armfield if in) and Cripps won't take crap.  C Curnow has shown that he won't be pushed around and E Curnow will be in if his brother is.

Stokes, Kelly, Daniher, Cooney, Gwilt, Brown, Langford, Parish, Tipungwuti etc don't strike fear into me and are as intimidating as Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Thomas, Jones. The other 'no name brands' mean nothing to me.  Zaharakis plays it hard and Goddard is a sniper. If Goddard does start something, put the Irish setters onto him  first and work backwards from there.

In that first game against Richmond our tackling and pressure on the man was first rate.  Bring that again and they won't have a chance to intimidate.

Based on what I saw of us v. Freo I reckon we'll be all over 'em and if anybody's doing any intimidating it'll be us. Have no fear, we'll be out to make a statement IMO.

Armfield looks like the only fit option left or perhaps DVJR.

Army a no brainer in for Buckley who's out with injury.

Army doesn't take a backward step either.....

1Aw still not fit - a worry.

Other than that, why change what worked in Perth?

Jones earned a game this week but if another tall sought, Jaksch before Everitt too - the latter needs to extract several digits seemingly....

Based on what I saw of us v. Freo I reckon we'll be all over 'em and if anybody's doing any intimidating it'll be us. Have no fear, we'll be out to make a statement IMO.

Yeah I reckon BB would have drummed into them more Hawthorn mantra along the those lines.  ;D

I'm going to this one and hate more then anything losing to these pr1cks.

Haven't had a decent win over them for a few years and lately favourites or not they seem to play well against us. Hopefully change of coach will change this trend.

Cant bare to think of leaving the ground with head down knowing their delusional supporters will be thinking we even beat them when half our team is out!

I know we have a brighter future but really want to win well on Sunday otherwise we can spin it all we want but we will look like their bitches.

I don't ask for much off my team these days but please forking win this one!!!

Army a no brainer in for Buckley who's out with injury.

Army doesn't take a backward step either.....

1Aw still not fit - a worry.

Other than that, why change what worked in Perth?

Jones earned a game this week but if another tall sought, Jaksch before Everitt too - the latter needs to extract several digits seemingly....

Totally agree with everything you say here.

I'd be half tempted to bring in Simon White to follow Goddard around and make his day hell...

I'll be freakin' devestated if we lose this one.......

So for me we have the following with the future of our best 22 in Brackets  these should ebb and flow based on who is ready sooner or who has improved immensely:


FB:----Weitering(Weitering)---------Jamison(Plowman)------------Simpson(Docherty)

HB: White(Byrne)--------------Rowe(Glass-Mckasker)-----------------Tuohy(Skittles)

C:   Murphy(Graham)--------------Kerridge(Cunningham)---------------------------Thomas(Boekhorst)

HF:  Everitt(Silvagni)---------Casboult(Mckay)-------------------Gibbs(Sumner)

FF:   --Walker(C. Curnow)--------------Jones(Jaksch)----------------------Wright(Lamb)

F:  Kreuzer(Korcheck)---------Cripps(Cripps)----------------------------E.Curnow(Whiley)


*INT: Tutt, Armfield, Phillips(Gorringe), Buckley (Smith)


Thats not to say that we wont fling anyone else either who currently is in our best 22, but I get the idea that this is how we should think of our team moving forward.

I reckon Kerridge is a very good addition, & will be for sometime hopefully.  He was great at the stoppages on the weekend, fantastic backup for Cripps.  Cunningham will have to be something to push him out of the side.

cheers

Mal.

Totally agree with everything you say here.

I'd be half tempted to bring in Simon White to follow Goddard around and make his day hell...

Do you think White can run with a fit Goddard?

I'll be freakin' devestated if we lose this one.......

Me too, especially as I missed our last game and only caught the end on the radio.

Do you think White can run with a fit Goddard?

Yes.

But I don't see a tag/run with player as an option.

If you don't do it with Fyfe why do it with Goddard?

I'll be freakin' devestated if we lose this one.......

It's one of those games, that they will be up for the fight and we still can't kick enough score.

Prepare yourself and know it's just a bump in the long road.

It's one of those games, that they will be up for the fight and we still can't kick enough score.

Prepare yourself and know it's just a bump in the long road.

Nothing can prepare you for walking out of the G after losing to those pricks.

It's one of those games, that they will be up for the fight and we still can't kick enough score.

Prepare yourself and know it's just a bump in the long road.

I reckon their mid season slump is here.

They have actually done well to be as competitive as they have been but they are overdue for the wheels to fall off.

I reckon their mid season slump is here.

They have actually done well to be as competitive as they have been but they are overdue for the wheels to fall off.

It's week 6 - they obviously wanted to beat the rush.

It's week 6 - they obviously wanted to beat the rush.

I hope our players are not thinking the same and are expecting an easy kill cause these pr1cks give there all against us.

Imagine they purposely went out in 2nd gear against the pies to save themselves for a game they really think they were a chance in.......against us.

I hope our players are not thinking the same and are expecting an easy kill cause these pr1cks give there all against us.

Imagine they purposely went out in 2nd gear against the pies to save themselves for a game they really think they were a chance in.......against us.

They lost last week because they played crap. They are ripe for the picking this week. If we lose, we'll have no one to blame but ourselves. 

I know I'm in the minority, but I've never really bought into the whole "arch enemy" concept. Malthouse said one thing that I agree with - which is that in a truly national competition, with no or limited zones, various drafts etc. these old territorial battles are a thing of the past. If the players are more "pumped" for this game than any other one, then something is wrong.

I hope our players are not thinking the same and are expecting an easy kill cause these pr1cks give there all against us.

Imagine they purposely went out in 2nd gear against the pies to save themselves for a game they really think they were a chance in.......against us.

Our players are smarter than that, particularly with Bolton cracking the whip, and I don't think the Essendon players are smart enough to plan for the next game.  They thought they were in with a chance against the struggling Magpies and the loss will really get them thinking about how far off the pace they are.

Of course, we have to find a way to kick a winning score.

We'll win easy but not by a lot.

The Bummers are a week to week proposition and are in survival mode until end of season - that's about as far as their planning probably goes. We need to go out there fully pumped and prepared to put in 100% for 4Qs. If we do that and really pressure them then we should win OK.

A loss to this mob is unacceptable.

Nothing can prepare you for walking out of the G after losing to those pricks.

I was there when Lloyd and Judd clashed head's.

But yes they will be incredibly ravenous this time around. quick trip onto BB and Bigfooty show they do not rate us at all.

Remember it was 30 Degrees and 90% humidity, hard big ground and a long flight back. 7 days vs 6 Days helps us though.

Big test for Bolton here to get them up and playing for 4 quarters.

Meh, Sunday afternoon football.

Really hard for me to get interested especially with the Cheating Scum playing, you just know the AFL are hell bent on getting them wins.

It feels like being charged to watch Lance Armstrong, just doesn't seem right!

If they get 55K at this game I reckon they have done well.

Carlton by 3.

If they get 55K at this game I reckon they have done well.

The MCC website, which is generally very accurate, states:   Expected stadium attendance 45,000

So where are all those 53, 149 loyal Bomber fans??  I would have thought that they would have earmarked this one??  Maybe it will be all our 47, 460 turning up, less a few who can't get a leave pass!!

According to THIS AGE ARTICLE (http://THIS AGE ARTICLE), Dylan Buckley is out with a calf, Walker will likely miss this week and return perhaps in the 2nds the week after, Everitt may need to regain form and fitness in the 2nds, Jamo may languish in the 2nds until his form demands a recall, SOSOS is looking good but needs time, and Nick G looks like he'll replace Buckley while Whiley and Tutt are possibles.

Me too, especially as I missed our last game and only caught the end on the radio.

That why we won. In that case you keep well away from the game as we have a 100% record when you miss it...lol.

back to back?

When will the Tshirt come out? ;)

It's one of those games, that they will be up for the fight and we still can't kick enough score.

Prepare yourself and know it's just a bump in the long road.

x2....They dont have much of a defense but we dont have much of an attack....only needs one player from either side to fire up and kick 4+ goals and thats probably going to be enough
to win the game....
You would think we would win with Cripps, Murphy etc leading the way but its Essendon which takes some logic out of the equation, we just seem to have a mental barrier when playing them that goes all the way back to Sheedy vs Parkin. They think they can take us no matter what the circumstances and too many times I have seen us fold up in the past to be over confident...
I am going to enjoy this win more than the Freo game but I will also be riding every kick until the siren as the Bombers seem to get lucky vs us when it matters.....

x2....They dont have much of a defense but we dont have much of an attack....only needs one player from either side to fire up and kick 4+ goals and thats probably going to be enough
to win the game....
You would think we would win with Cripps, Murphy etc leading the way but its Essendon which takes some logic out of the equation, we just seem to have a mental barrier when playing them that goes all the way back to Sheedy vs Parkin. They think they can take us no matter what the circumstances and too many times I have seen us fold up in the past to be over confident...
I am going to enjoy this win more than the Freo game but I will also be riding every kick until the siren as the Bombers seem to get lucky vs us when it matters.....

I agree with this.

Never confident against this mob. Last week they looked like the bottom side we all know they are but the week prior they pushed the cats till into the last quarter. I watched that game and they wouldn't go away and kept scoring when needed to be close enough to pinch it. The cats class broke them in the last 20mins but was far from easy. 

Result this week hinges a lot on which bombers team turns up....

we will either lose by under a goal or belt them by 10.

......... I watched that game and they wouldn't go away and kept scoring when needed to be close enough to pinch it. The cats class broke them in the last 20mins but was far from easy. 
....

I watched that game. I thought Geelong treated it without respect and played like they were doing circle work for 3/4. Once Geelong got a bit more serious, and I mean just a bit, they never looked like losing.

Perhaps for some obscure reason Geelong have some empathy for EFC! :o

I watched that game. I thought Geelong treated it without respect and played like they were doing circle work for 3/4. Once Geelong got a bit more serious, and I mean just a bit, they never looked like losing.

Perhaps for some obscure reason Geelong have some empathy for EFC! :o

I think the danger in playing Essendon lies in thinking that you're in for an easy win, and I suspect that's what Geelong did.

I can't really see us doing that.

You wouldn't have thought the perennial cellar-dwellers, Melbourne, would have thought they would win easily, but they did.

I think the danger in playing Essendon lies in thinking that you're in for an easy win, and I suspect that's what Geelong did.

I can't really see us doing that.

With out ability to hit the scoreboard, no one from Carlton should think any win will be easy.

You wouldn't have thought the perennial cellar-dwellers, Melbourne, would have thought they would win easily, but they did.

I suspect Melbourne thinks that they are well ahead of their true position, particularly if Bugg's behaviour is any guide.

With out ability to hit the scoreboard, no one from Carlton should think any win will be easy.

Very true Thry.  I reckon our wins this year will be arm wrestles - unless we start to make the most of our forward 50 entries.

You wouldn't have thought the perennial cellar-dwellers, Melbourne, would have thought they would win easily, but they did.

Not like us to get ahead of ourselves lol.

My mate texted me after the win and said we're going to win the next 3 games.

Not like us to get ahead of ourselves lol.

My mate texted me after the win and said we're going to win the next 3 games.

I had us down for 8 in a row.

Actually, it was hard to imagine us losing a game! :o

I had us down for 8 in a row.

Actually, it was hard to imagine us losing a game! :o

Walking a thin line there LP  ;)

Walking a thin line there LP  ;)

I always err on the side of optimism DJC!

Has anyone heard the whisper the club is seriously considering a SOSOS debut against the CheatsFC this Sunday afternoon?

I think that would be a waste, you might get a few thousand more Sunday arvo, but on a Friday or Saturday home game at The G you might get 20K more!

But I suppose CheatsFC defense is sorely depleted and would be a good choice for a newbie to get a run against.

Is SOSOS a suitable substitute for Buckley, could he play the small forward role?

Has anyone heard the whisper the club is seriously considering a SOSOS debut against the CheatsFC this Sunday afternoon?

I think that would be a waste, you might get a few thousand more Sunday arvo, but on a Friday or Saturday home game at The G you might get 20K more!

But I suppose CheatsFC defense is sorely depleted and would be a good choice for a newbie to get a run against.

Is SOSOS a suitable substitute for Buckley, could he play the small forward role?

If this was the case I would be rapt however on the provisos that the kid has earned a spot and is ready. I am confident the coaches will make the right decision, the days of our club playing guys for marketing purposes (to the detriment of the players development and long term future) are over I reckon.

Has anyone heard the whisper the club is seriously considering a SOSOS debut against the CheatsFC this Sunday afternoon?

I think that would be a waste, you might get a few thousand more Sunday arvo, but on a Friday or Saturday home game at The G you might get 20K more!

But I suppose CheatsFC defense is sorely depleted and would be a good choice for a newbie to get a run against.

Is SOSOS a suitable substitute for Buckley, could he play the small forward role?

Young Jack doesn't have Buckley's pace, but he would make every possession count. And close to goal he would be a chance to get on the scoreboard. He chases and smothers very well: he made goals in the VFL from his chases and smothers just last week.

I would probably wait until next time, to be honest. He just played his first proper VFL game and got 12 possessions. Give him time.

I would have said there was not a snowballs chance but I thought that about Plowman and Sumner.

I didn't think C Curnow would come in so early either.

Who knows. I wouldn't think he would though.

Bombers were keen on in, show them what they missed out on.

Not sure they were all that interested.  CFC feared EFC would use an early pick on him and force a hard decision on whether to match it.  That never happened.  When EFC finally called his name out when they had a pick in the 50s, it was just a joke between list managers as CFC lost absolutely nothing by matching it.  Dodoro and SOS were laughing. 

Not sure they were all that interested.  CFC feared EFC would use an early pick on him and force a hard decision on whether to match it.  That never happened.  When EFC finally called his name out when they had a pick in the 50s, it was just a joke between list managers as CFC lost absolutely nothing by matching it.  Dodoro and SOS were laughing.

The Journey suggested that a chat between Bolton and SOS suggested the Bombers were keen.

I believe in the end it was a joke, but they did interview him I believe.

Everitt may need to regain form and fitness in the 2nds

I think the word is desire!!

The Journey suggested that a chat between Bolton and SOS suggested the Bombers were keen.

I believe in the end it was a joke, but they did interview him I believe.

I'd imagine the chat went something like:
EFC: If we draft you, are you going to go to either do a Tim Watson and refuse to report for duty or leave after 2 years and join Carlton?
SOSOS: Yes.
EFC: OK.  Thanks for talking to us.

The Journey suggested that a chat between Bolton and SOS suggested the Bombers were keen.

I believe in the end it was a joke, but they did interview him I believe.

Yes, I think I read somewhere that the EFC recruiter (what's his name - Dodoro ?), and SOS are mates, and Jack's EFC interview was a bit of chain yanking.

Well we are not the favorites with the punters which is good I reckon

Early Mark: Punters back Essendon to defeat Carlton, GWS upset on cards
37 minutes ago
Herald Sun

CARLTON’S winning run will stop at one if betting moves are on the money.

The Blues broke through for their first win of the season against Fremantle last week and are hoping to make it two in a row when they face Essendon on Sunday.

The Bombers were demolished by Collingwood on Anzac Day but that hasn’t stopped punters backing them to keep Carlton at the foot of the ladder.

Meanwhile, an upset could be on the cards when GWS faces Hawthorn and one punter is keeping faith in the Tigers.

WHO’S HOT

Melbourne ($1.58)
 
Punters seemingly think that the Demons have turned the corner and are now a bankable team — 91 per cent of the market against the Saints has gone on Melbourne.

GWS Giants ($2.45)

An upset has been tipped in this one, with an amazing 85 per cent of the market going on the Giants to beat Hawthorn. As a result the Hawks have drifted from $1.50 to $1.55.

Essendon ($2.95)

In perhaps the strangest twist for the week, punters are backing Essendon to beat Carlton in the potential battle for the wooden spoon, with 71 per cent of the market going on the Bombers.


Punters say Carlton’s joy will be short-lived. Picture: Daniel Wilkins
WHO’S NOT

Western Bulldogs ($2.15)

It’s the battle for top spot but punters think injuries will finally catch up with the Bulldogs, with only 14 per cent of the market going on them. They have drifted from $1.95 to $2.15.

Richmond ($1.80)

They may be favourites, but punters have had enough of the Tigers — only 37 per cent of bets are on Richmond against Port Adelaide despite this game being played at the MCG.

West Coast ($1.12)

Despite being clear favourites punters are showing no interest in the Eagles, who hold 43 per cent of the market, instead having a look at Collingwood at a good price of $6.25.

WHAT THE?

At least on TAB punter is convinced the Tigers can turn around their season, this week punting $20 at $101 on Richmond to win the flag.

EFC's latest recruiting was all about being able to field a competitive side in the short term. There's no question that on paper, they have more experience, more proven class, harder bodies etc.

How this translates on game day is anyone's guess, but on paper the favoritism is deserved. 

I'd love to go in as underdog.

Well we are not the favorites with the punters which is good I reckon

All that means is that there are more brain dead punters who are EFC supporters, then there are brain dead punters who are Carlton supporters!

You'd have to be a genuine goose to be backing either side! :D

I'll put $50 on CFC if they get to $4! :o

PS: We are unfortunately $1.37 Head to Head favorites on Crownbet. Most of the action is EFC to get with 4 goals.

Carlton are favourites.

EFC's latest recruiting was all about being able to field a competitive side in the short term. There's no question that on paper, they have more experience, more proven class, harder bodies etc.

How this translates on game day is anyone's guess, but on paper the favoritism is deserved.

I think we are favourites ($1.35) but a lot of money has gone to the Bombers recently.

Carlton 1.37
Essendon 3.10

Carlton 1.37
Essendon 3.10

I'm not a batting man. Are these odds constantly changing right up until kick off ?

I'm surprised by those odds.

I'm not a batting man. Are these odds constantly changing right up until kick off ?

I'm surprised by those odds.

Remember these odd in 2012?

Carlton defeated by Essendon
Round 4, MCG, Attendance: 73172

Saturday, 21st April 2012, 1:45 PM

Carlton: Win 1.10
Essendon: Win 7.00

I think we are favourites ($1.35) but a lot of money has gone to the Bombers recently.

Not Head to Head, mostly for CheatsFC to be within 19.5 points. Punters are saying Carlton should win but not by much.

I'm not a batting man. Are these odds constantly changing right up until kick off ?

I'm surprised by those odds.

Yes, they are dynamically adjusted and can change up until the close of betting. Also the markets are usually pretty small, one large punter can change the odds dramatically.

Remember these odd in 2012?

Carlton defeated by Essendon
Round 4, MCG, Attendance: 73172

Saturday, 21st April 2012, 1:45 PM

Carlton: Win 1.10
Essendon: Win 7.00

No I don't remember them. But unfortunately, i remember game well enough.

Not Head to Head, mostly for CheatsFC to be within 19.5 points. Punters are saying Carlton should win but not by much.

Yes, they are dynamically adjusted and can change up until the close of betting. Also the markets are usually pretty small, one large punter can change the odds dramatically.

Thanks LP.

Yes, I was wrong. Seems the Blues are favorites at the moment. Carey and Campbell Brown also both back the Blues. Still don't agree. Anyhow..........

No I don't remember them. But unfortunately, i remember game well enough.

I'm not much of a gambler either but I was in the bar before the game and overheard some Carlton punters saying the odds were ridiculous considering they were undefeated as well.

I'm not a batting man. Are these odds constantly changing right up until kick off ?

I'm surprised by those odds.

.......and I think we were $6.50 at bounce down Sunday, after being $4.50 during the week.

.......and I think we were $6.50 at bounce down Sunday, after being $4.50 during the week.

I see.. Thanks.

Remember these odd in 2012?

Carlton defeated by Essendon
Round 4, MCG, Attendance: 73172

Saturday, 21st April 2012, 1:45 PM

Carlton: Win 1.10
Essendon: Win 7.00

What were the odds in r21, 2012 ?

.......and I think we were $6.50 at bounce down Sunday, after being $4.50 during the week.

Yep, that is about right for last Sunday.

Charlie Curnow out with 'illness' 3 days before the game.......that doesn't sound good.

Charlie Curnow out with 'illness' 3 days before the game.......that doesn't sound good.

Diplomatic illness?

Backs   23. Jacob Weitering   20. Lachie Plowman   6. Kade Simpson
Half-backs   42. Zach Tuohy   17. Sam Rowe   39. Dale Thomas
Centreline   38. Ciaran Byrne   9. Patrick Cripps   15. Sam Docherty
Half-forwards   4. Bryce Gibbs   14. Liam Jones   46. Matthew Wright
Forwards   13. Jed Lamb   41. Levi Casboult   19. Liam Sumner
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   11. Sam Kerridge   3. Marc Murphy (C)

Interchange from:   27. Dennis Armfield   32. Nick Graham   43. Simon White
    37. Andrew Phillips   35. Ed Curnow   40. Michael Jamison
    22. Jason Tutt       

In: Armfield, Graham, White, Jamison, Tutt

Out: Charlie Curnow (illness), Dylan Buckley (calf)

Backs   23. Jacob Weitering   20. Lachie Plowman   6. Kade Simpson
Half-backs   42. Zach Tuohy   17. Sam Rowe   39. Dale Thomas
Centreline   38. Ciaran Byrne   9. Patrick Cripps   15. Sam Docherty
Half-forwards   4. Bryce Gibbs   14. Liam Jones   46. Matthew Wright
Forwards   13. Jed Lamb   41. Levi Casboult   19. Liam Sumner
Followers   8. Matthew Kreuzer   11. Sam Kerridge   3. Marc Murphy (C)

Interchange from:   27. Dennis Armfield   32. Nick Graham   43. Simon White
    37. Andrew Phillips   35. Ed Curnow   40. Michael Jamison
    22. Jason Tutt       

In: Armfield, Graham, White, Jamison, Tutt

Out: Charlie Curnow (illness), Dylan Buckley (calf)

Thanks Jim.

I don't mind that starting 18, and apart from maybe Tutt, I don't mind those interchange options.

Armfield for Buckley? (small, quick, defensive forward)

White for C Curnow? (third tall)

Charlie Curnow out with 'illness' 3 days before the game.......that doesn't sound good.

It might be code for celebration of a win interstate.

Personally I'm glad this mob like to go after our young players and it's time we repaid the favour by ensuring parish and Francis have a navy blue headache each time they play us

Byrne Cripps Docherty I like the centreline a lot.

Charlie Curnow out with 'illness' 3 days before the game.......that doesn't sound good.

Probably caught Murphy's lurgy!

Is there something in the contract with our Irish players that they can only ever be tried at half back?

Touhy seems a natural wingman but I can't recall ever seeing him play anywhere other than back flank / pocket.

Congratulations Matthew Wright - 100 games.

I hope he kicks a couple and gets BOG

For mine, this one will be won or lost in the coaches box. Cagey shifty old fox Woosha vs Young driven like no other Bolts.

For mine, this one will be won or lost in the coaches box. Cagey shifty old fox Woosha vs Young driven like no other Bolts.

Not sure Woosh is all that clever GTC. He's more Malthouse than you might think.

Bolts is cutting edge .

Charlie Curnow out with 'illness' 3 days before the game.......that doesn't sound good.

I hope that's what it is. Didn't deserve to be dropped, that's for sure.

If this was the case I would be rapt however on the provisos that the kid has earned a spot and is ready. I am confident the coaches will make the right decision, the days of our club playing guys for marketing purposes (to the detriment of the players development and long term future) are over I reckon.

hmm don't think so. I got a call from SOSOS the day after he was drafted to sign up as a member  :o

hmm don't think so. I got a call from SOSOS the day after he was drafted to sign up as a member  :o

Some things change, some things stay the same! ;)

Is there something in the contract with our Irish players that they can only ever be tried at half back?

Touhy seems a natural wingman but I can't recall ever seeing him play anywhere other than back flank / pocket.

He's probably one of our best kicks for goal too.... get him in the forward line  ffs

hmm don't think so. I got a call from SOSOS the day after he was drafted to sign up as a member  :o

Thats totally completely different to what I wrote. I said actually playing kids like SOS who aren't ready (form and maturity) just to get a crowd and extra membership or two.

He's probably one of our best kicks for goal too.... get him in the forward line  ffs

Yep agree, we should definitely give him a run forward, he does run and mark reasonably well and can really hurt with his foot skills. Playing off a wing and driving inside 50 could be the next move for him and then you've got a player with defensive pressure (experience) who can move up and down the ground.

In: Armfield, Graham

Emerg: White, Tutt, Jamison.

Happy to see Puss get another chance... but of bite around the packs with two good inclusions. Hopefully tackling count improves

In: Armfield, Graham

Emerg: White, Tutt, Jamison.

So, we're going a little smaller and, dare I say, a little tougher!

So, we're going a little smaller and, dare I say, a little tougher!

Yep. 2 good "ins" for this game - we'll be ready for any funny business.

In: Armfield, Graham

Emerg: White, Tutt, Jamison.

Don't mind those ins, but I would've liked White to do a lock down / run with role on Goddard. Those two would get along swimmingly.

Don't mind those ins, but I would've liked White to do a lock down / run with role on Goddard. Those two would get along swimmingly.

Thought the same thing!

Don't mind those ins, but I would've liked White to do a lock down / run with role on Goddard. Those two would get along swimmingly.

Gibbs might get Goddard...of course the Bombers have picked the three ins... Crowley, Simpkin and Polkinghorne..reckon the former
and the latter might be acquainting themselves with Cripps at some stage....
I would have had White in as this game might get a bit nasty...

Charlie Curnow out with 'illness' 3 days before the game.......that doesn't sound good.

Have you seen Bolts pre-match interview, what he said about Charlie came across to me as Charlie is a young player who has worn himself out and needs a rest. Nothing sinister, just managing his work/play load.

Someone should go straight to Crowley and knock him clean out!  >:D  ;)

Have you seen Bolts pre-match interview, what he said about Charlie came across to me as Charlie is a young player who has worn himself out and needs a rest. Nothing sinister, just managing his work/play load.

So why not rested? Just call it what it is...

Gibbs might get Goddard...of course the Bombers have picked the three ins... Crowley, Simpkin and Polkinghorne..reckon the former
and the latter might be acquainting themselves with Cripps at some stage....
I would have had White in as this game might get a bit nasty...

If Gibbs can shut down Goddard, and be creative as well, that would be a huge win IMO. If he can't do both roles, it seems a waste to use him solely as a tagger.

So why not rested? Just call it what it is...

Who knows!! Fair call.

So why not rested? Just call it what it is...

What if he's actually unwell?

What if he's actually unwell?

Someone on TC suggesting he might have glandular fever.

"AFL advises Andrejis Everitt has replaced Michael Jamison as one of Carlton's emergencies for tomorrow's rd game v Essendon."

Interesting. Everitt has already played a half with the Northern Blues.  Wouldn't bother to make a change if Everitt wasn't going to be used. 

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-30/bombers-lose-vicecaptain-mark-baguley-for-blues-clash

Every little bit helps.

Grahams selection can only mean he wasnt dropped for poor form, rather not suited to Subi and/or no match up for him last week. To be recalled this week without playing in the twos at all confirms this to me.

Grahams selection can only mean he wasnt dropped for poor form, rather not suited to Subi and/or no match up for him last week. To be recalled this week without playing in the twos at all confirms this to me.

He may not have been judged as "poor" GTC, just others better than him atm.  :)

He may not have been judged as "poor" GTC, just others better than him atm.  :)

Theres that too ;)

What if he's actually unwell?

Thats not what the coach said

Goal kicking is still a worry but we should win this easily.
Murphy, Cripps, Ed, Wright, Kerridge, Kreuzer and Gibbs will be too good for anything Essendon can throw up in the middle and our back 6 is playing OK.
If Jones and Casboult can hit the scoreboard we'll win by 8 or 10 goals, but it's a big if.

Grahams selection can only mean he wasnt dropped for poor form, rather not suited to Subi and/or no match up for him last week. To be recalled this week without playing in the twos at all confirms this to me.

Everyone forgets that Graham and boekhorst are only playing their second and third seasons of footy respectively and haven't quite worked their way up to peak condition and fitness yet.

Most senior players carry some sort of restrictions and few would be 100%.

Only a few can do it early.

Sometimes giving them a week off to refresh is all they need.

Everyone forgets that Graham and boekhorst are only playing their second and third seasons of footy respectively and haven't quite worked their way up to peak condition and fitness yet.

Most senior players carry some sort of restrictions and few would be 100%.

Only a few can do it early.

Sometimes giving them a week off to refresh is all they need.

I'd have thought this applies even more so for 1st yr players. Wouldn't be surprised if any of the youngsters were managed this way (or any oldies for that matter). The Cats just "rested" hendo...

Chris kaias on Twitter suggesting Cripps is out with soreness. If true that's massive????

Chris kaias on Twitter suggesting Cripps is out with soreness. If true that's massive????

Isn't that just wishful thinking from an attention seeking Essendon supporter?

There was open training this morning; any reports?

Isn't that just wishful thinking from an attention seeking Essendon supporter?

There was open training this morning; any reports?

He is Blues supporter.

He is Blues supporter.

In that case, isn't that just pessimistic thinking from an attention seeking Carlton supporter?   :)

 ;D

In that case, isn't that just pessimistic thinking from an attention seeking Carlton supporter?   :)

"AFL advises Andrejis Everitt has replaced Michael Jamison as one of Carlton's emergencies for tomorrow's rd game v Essendon."

Interesting. Everitt has already played a half with the Northern Blues.  Wouldn't bother to make a change if Everitt wasn't going to be used.

I think I have worked this out  ???

Jamison was concussed and unable to fulfil his role as emergency.  Of course, as Jamison played in the NBs, he wouldn't have been used as a late replacement, that role falling to White and Tutt.  Jamison must have been deemed unlikely to pass the concussion test and the club was required to nominate a replacement emergency.  They went with Everitt, but did so very confident that he won't be required.

I think I have worked this out  ???

Jamison was concussed and unable to fulfil his role as emergency.  Of course, as Jamison played in the NBs, he wouldn't have been used as a late replacement, that role falling to White and Tutt.  Jamison must have been deemed unlikely to pass the concussion test and the club was required to nominate a replacement emergency.  They went with Everitt, but did so very confident that he won't be required.

Hmm. Plot thickens. If Cripps is out of expect white to come in

Last week the rumor was Cripps and Murphy.

Cripps and Weitering out for Tutt and White.

Cripps and Weitering out for Tutt and White.

Truth or rumour?

Truth or rumour?

Word going round that Cripps has calf strain and Weitering will be out with soreness. 

Cripps the more likely to miss

Word going round that Cripps has calf strain and Weitering will be out with soreness. 

Cripps the more likely to miss

Thanks Age. Bad news if it eventuates.

Thanks Age. Bad news if it eventuates.

Not fussed if these 2 miss, this is a must win irrespective of who we put out on the park. Go Blues!!!

Not fussed if these 2 miss, this is a must win irrespective of who we put out on the park. Go Blues!!!

Even money this game if these 2 are late outs.

I know we just can't fathom losing to these cheating pr1cks but fact is both teams have bottom 4 lists and while we are better with a full list - take a major extractor like Cripps out and that evens up the ledger. Whichever team wants it more will get the points.

Tutt and White in for Cripps and Weitering is a massive drop in class.

Hope its just talk.

Word going round that Cripps has calf strain and Weitering will be out with soreness. 

Cripps the more likely to miss

If he's got a calf, our training and conditioning staff need to be looked at. That's about 6 calf strains and 5 hamstrings this year already.

Not fussed if these 2 miss, this is a must win irrespective of who we put out on the park. Go Blues!!!

Yeah but lets face it, we can ill afford to lose players of their talent. Confidence of the group will take a little hit if they miss I reckon.

Not fussed if these 2 miss, this is a must win irrespective of who we put out on the park. Go Blues!!!

That is how I see it, today isn't about a supreme contest it's about getting the job done against a team you should defeat!

If he's got a calf, our training and conditioning staff need to be looked at. That's about 6 calf strains and 5 hamstrings this year already.

It's not just a Carlton thing, and we have no problem with the fitness staff, just like there was no problem with the strength and conditioning staff back in Rnd 4 2012.

This issue is across the AFL and it is due to the increased high speed non-stop running under the influence of the new rules. Players are actually leaving the field tired and fatigued this season, who'd have thunk it, but what a joy it is to watch!

On a related issue. Did anyone see that uber-goose Geoff Walsh having a crack at Norp's club doctor? What a fecking Luddite and moron Walsh must be! He thinks badgering a doctor about an injured player makes the players fitter and healthier. That is the sort of attitude that led to CheatsFC looking for shortcuts! Clubs need to keep imbeciles with attitudes like Walsh as far away from the playing group as possible.

@LP

Apparently, those who have an IQ between 0 and 25 are idiots; IQs between 26 and 50 are considered imbeciles; and those who have an IQ between 51 and 70 are considered morons.

Question for you - do you think you may be over estimating Walsh?  :))

Rumour on 3AW that Cripps and Weitering are out.????

Cripps and Weitering out for Tutt and White.

3AW read our forum, I suspect.

Rumour on 3AW that Cripps and Weitering are out.????

Out because they are injured / ill, or rested in the interests of player management, because the coaches think this is an easy kill,or because they don't mind losing ?

Cripps out for white.

Bugger it to hell.

Damn, looks last week week is our solitary win for the year then.....

Damn, looks last week week is our solitary win for the year then.....

C'mon Bretty don't give up on us now.

Carott's little mate really needs to step up now, 50/50 at best now this game.

C'mon Bretty don't give up on us now.

Yeah  Be a man Brettie :)

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-v-essendon-patrick-cripps-a-late-withdrawal-from-mcg-match-20160501-goja8n.html

Yet another bl00dy calf!!

Should be six bloody goals up. If only Kruezer could mark!

How good is Ciaran Byrne?
Set up a permanent office in Ireland ASAP.

Should be six bloody goals up. If only Kruezer could mark!

Kicking against a stiff wind, I'll take two goals.