In a match where we have been beaten by 5-goals, it should of been a massive blowout if it wasn't for a last quarter rally to kick 8 to make the score look respectable (of sorts).
What was served up in the first three quarters was simply unacceptable tripe of epic proportions. Two goals to three-quarter time is the sort of stuff you'd see in some lower level country league, not by an AFL team.
There was no intensity, little or no fight for 3/4's, appalling skills and without a doubt, some of the worst decision-making I've ever seen in a football match.
Docherty showed he will be a player, Buckley was good again and there were a handful of cameos across the match but overall, when the game was there to be won, we were limp & flaccid.
Too many times our players stood flat-footed and spectated, some were complete passengers.
Said it before and I'll say it again, MM coaching is crape!
Too much Jekyll and Hyde performance.
Williams rips Hendersons jumper then punches him in the head to the ground, no free play on.
Rowe gets a little finger caught in Cloke's jumper, free kick dud center!
That was shameful.
If they think that they have fooled any of us with that last quarter display, boys you haven't.
You were pathetic and a disgrace to the jumper.
Give tonight's pay to Peter Mac.
At least that will restore some dignity to the club and jumper which you have crapped on tonight.
Don't look at the margin we were terrible. No skill, no heart, no structure.
Collingwood are probably a top 4 side, and they're an example of a club that's recruited well. Unlike us.
Lucas has stamped his papers. Scotland should be told that he's not needed anymore. Rowe will be delisted at the end of the year. Gibbs will be no loss when he leaves for Port or Adelaide. And finally - why play Menzel as the sub? Does he have no tank?
Ball (I think) pushes a player into the fence... no free. Walker got a week for that!
Well they failed my litmus test dismally. The scoreboard flattered us. We are just not good enough and major changes must be made both on and off the field. I can now go away on my WA safari in the next couple of weeks safe in the knowledge that I won't be missing anything this year. >:(
Williams rips Hendersons jumper then punches him in the head to the ground, no free play on.
Rowe gets a little finger caught in Cloke's jumper, free kick dud center!
The whole umpiring issue is an absolute blight on our game. The whole concept of "being hot" on some rules one week and others the next week is farcical. It's like doublethink in Nineteen Eighty Four. shouldn't the umpires be red hot on every single rule in every singe game ? Why pick and choose ? Dead set joke.
1 good quarter of footy out of 4. That was pretty soft and pathetic. Heaps of positives, but much to really worry about.
Collingwood are probably a top 4 side, and they're an example of a club that's recruited well. Unlike us.
They showed us how to play if we want to be one of the real contenders, they were hungrier and more desperate than our guys and it paid dividends on the scoreboard.
See FIGJAMs smug fking smile at the siren. Fck I hope we pump tjese cnnts next time.
Outworked and coutclassed.
We re further behind the top teams than last year.
Pros were that I was happy with Buckley and Docherty's games.
Cons - our attitude and crap work rate
And finally - why play Menzel as the sub? Does he have no tank?
I think that's the problem. Needs a major preseason.
Best game Simon White has played for the club too. Won't save him in the long run but at least he is having a red hot go and you cannot knock anyone who does that.
See FIGJAMs smug fking smile at the siren. Fck I hope we pump tjese cnnts next time.
We deserve all the media serves us up with that effort. I now have to listen to crap from friends and my wife for weeks to come.
Gibbs has been ok these past few weeks, but Id take a top 10 pick in an instant.
We re nowhere near challengers, so letting him go will be a win win.
Cometti was right re. Daisy. He said getting him across to Carlton smacked of a team overestimating where they were and thinking they were top 4 when they were no where near that in reality.
We have reached the deepest depths of the mid zeroes. That was the greatest exhibition of the worst skills I have ever seen by any club in any era I have seen. There's no hiding from that, and there is no excuse. Why the screw is it so bad? Dead set rot. If you are a screwing coach, it is your responsibility to teach basic skills. If players cannot learn basic skills, then get them off your screwing list!
Then there's a matter of decision making. Why the screw is it so bad? And the matter of lack of effort. The lack of passion. The morale in this unit is below whale crap.
The list needs a massive clean out. Unfortunately, you can't throw the entire hand in like poker and ask for a new set of cards. I lament what comes.
Best game Simon White has played for the club too. Won't save him in the long run but at least he is having a red hot go and you cannot knock anyone who does that.
I think PI2C should comment on this post
I reckon White, Jamo and Rowe did a fair job considering the way the ball came in.... our smaller defenders were awful, and their mids kicked goals at well. Heck, Grundy was more effective than our forward line and he was rucking!
Out of our depth vs Collingwood who are a better drilled team and have more players who know what they are doing....
Don't look at the margin we were terrible. No skill, no heart, no structure.
Collingwood are probably a top 4 side, and they're an example of a club that's recruited well. Unlike us.
Lucas has stamped his papers. Scotland should be told that he's not needed anymore. Rowe will be delisted at the end of the year. Gibbs will be no loss when he leaves for Port or Adelaide. And finally - why play Menzel as the sub? Does he have no tank?
A top 4 side would have finished us off and spat us back out. Pies are average at best. We on the other hand are bottom 4 material on the showing.
Collingwood played some pretty ordinary football and spanked us.
No more walker out of the backline, doesn't do it for me.
As bad as I have seen coming out of defense, zero structure, no one willing to put their hand up.
Just awful stuff. Lead by Thomas who we can only assume suffered from nerves.
Docherty looks okay, Buckley continues to show he has something... That is all.
Gibbs has been ok these past few weeks, but Id take a top 10 pick in an instant.
We re nowhere near challengers, so letting him go will be a win win.
Cometti was right re. Daisy. He said getting him across to Carlton smacked of a team overestimating where they were and thinking they were top 4 when they were no where near that in reality.
To me, let Gibbs go back and use the money on Frawley to strengthen our spine. Be plenty of Gibbs type in the draft and probably with more drive and heart.
Daisy will be ok eventually.
There is one thing that I cannot understand about our team and if anyone can provide the correct answer, I'll be rather gobsmacked.
In the first four games, we were really woeful with no fight, no chase, no grit, no thing.
The next two games, we came out and attacked the contest, we played as a team, we chased, we tackled, we were genuinely ferocious in our resolve.
Tonight we went back to the way we played in the first four rounds.
Now how can a team swing so dramatically in their application and attitude when they are paid professionals ??
I cannot buy into "it's the coach" because you know he would be firing them up all of the time. It's not like they are completely bereft of talent either, the past fortnight showed that the can do it if they want to.
So what is the issue here, is it just a matter of being "between the ears" ?
This is not a skills-related question, this is all about attitude which seems to fluctuate wildly for us.
I've just about had enough.
Basically, anytime you see a side with any of Bell, Rowe, McLean, Scotland & Lucas, there's a better than even chance we're in for a tough afternoon/evening. We'll know we have a decent side when these types are playing for the Bullants.
I'd be offloading Garlett, Kreuzer & Gibbs, while they have some currency. The painful reality is that nobody will take any of the blokes above.
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
Heaps of positives.....
Purlease, spare me.......
Sheik it is between the ears. I am sure we had the ball turn overs similar to the Pies. Had bad shots at goal, but look at the Pies and their kicking for goal. We had passengers and way too many. When the work rate is poor, tackle rate down, poor second efforts, being too cute and not clever with decision making, you lose the game. The skill rate works itself out if you work hard to run hard both ways and throw your body in at everything. Why are we so poor at getting this right is beyond me Sheik. Blame the coach ? Maybe ? Blame every player for not having passion for the jumper ? Definitely. They are paid too much to be soft cocks.
Even Mick in the presser after the game, claims we have too many passengers way too often.
MM lambasts a journo "for not getting the figures right".
MM says that we have passengers, but "cannot put a number on how many". Come on Mick, there were 22 blokes out there, you're the coach, surely YOU can get the figures right....
Gibbs- don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Lucas- same as Gibbs, but let the door whack you.
Scotland- sorry mate but Father Time has caught up.
Rowe- again sorry but you tried.
McLean- like you but you don't gut run anymore.
Gartlett - where was the hunger and forward defensive pressure from last week?
Touhy- will the real Touhy stand up please?
Walker- where is your composure?
Warlock- last week against the comps best ruck duo you dominated the taps, this week WTF. Around ground was good though.
Hendo- I know it's hard but you need to lead more and present.
Everitt - Must Try Harder and Gut Run
Thomas- WTF?
Murphy- tried
Buckley- love ya
Menzel- play full game will ya please.
Robbo- better
Docherty- look forward to it
White- good
Wow that was painful. Left at 3 qtr time as I could not stomach it anymore. Scoreline flters us. That was a ten goal plus defeat.
Some hard decisions need to ne made on some players. Lucas, Scotland in particular.
We are nowhere near it.
Don't get that Menzel was sub when we lost waite. He should have started and Lucas should have been sub.
Only positive was Docherty ( at last we trade for someone who can kick) and I liked Bukley as well. Continues to show smething.
White- good
Fridge or Washing Machine?
Daisy will be ok eventually
With all due respects, I don't think we got Daisy over to simply be okay.....
His shot at goal was worse than the Asian dude's attempt at a million dollars pre-game.....and that kick was a howler.
White- good
Fridge or Washing Machine?
Tonight, thankfully neither.
Daisy will be ok eventually
With all due respects, I don't think we got Daisy over to simply be okay.....
His shot at goal was worse than the Asian dude's attempt at a million dollars pre-game.....and that kick was a howler.
GOLD!
Daisy will be ok eventually
With all due respects, I don't think we got Daisy over to simply be okay.....
His shot at goal was worse than the Asian dude's attempt at a million dollars pre-game.....and that kick was a howler.
He'll have a few years here. Eventually be good value.
Just have to make sure we start to get some value out of others too.
At least we showed the previous 2 weeks were the exception rather than the norm. The jury is in and we are fecking terrible.
I left at 3/4 time, I'd well and truly had enough by then. I might get around to watching the last quarter over the weekend to see how Collingwood let us off the hook, that's some hefty % they've missed out on tonight....hope that bites them squarely on the arse at a later date.
Would I be too harsh in saying that Sam Rowe is the worst footballer to ever play at this level?
Would I be too harsh in saying that Daisy embarrassed us and himself tonight?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are arguably the worst kicking team in the AFL in recent memory?
Would I be too harsh in saying that player-for-player, we have arguably the worst list in the AFL?
Would I be too harsh in saying that Carrazzo's body is done and that he should retire immediately?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are the least intimidating and physically weakest team in the AFL?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are a $hit truck of football team in general?
Let's put all this into perspective....
We have list of players that has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
We have an old coach pushing his old outdated game plan.
We have a list of coaches that really don't strike any fear.
We have a board that is pulling the club one way when we need to go the other.
We have no positive future in sight....
I think we did alright ::)
But didn't that jumper look HOT
Daisy will be ok eventually
With all due respects, I don't think we got Daisy over to simply be okay.....
His shot at goal was worse than the Asian dude's attempt at a million dollars pre-game.....and that kick was a howler.
He'll have a few years here. Eventually be good value.
Just have to make sure we start to get some value out of others too.
I see him becoming another Nick Stevens. The ultimate whipping boy.
re: Daisy...needs a better team around him.....put him in Collingwoods team tonight and he would have had 30 possies and a few goals.
Dane Beams has taken over his role at Collingwood and is getting it easy with Pendlebury and Swan drawing the heat...
Daisy will be ok eventually
With all due respects, I don't think we got Daisy over to simply be okay.....
His shot at goal was worse than the Asian dude's attempt at a million dollars pre-game.....and that kick was a howler.
When ever he was confronted by a pies player tonight he tried to fake for a free and then ran off with a smile. He should have stood his ground and shoves back twice as hard. That being said I have never been an afl player playing against ex-team mates si maybe he found it hard to be aggressive towards them. I dunno. Should have just hit someone to make a stand.
Daisy earned his nickname tonight. Lets not cut him slack. He was a blouse, and Gibbs was a mini skirt. Not going to say who was the fishnet stockings, G-string, purse, handbag, stollettos, or Tampax for that matter.
Let's put all this into perspective....
We have list of players that has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
We have an old coach pushing his old outdated game plan.
We have a list of coaches that really don't strike any fear.
We have a board that is pulling the club one way when we need to go the other.
We have no positive future in sight....
I think we did alright ::)
Players can be better if they work harder, which leads to your second point. If the coach allows them to play to their strengths then those blokes might just play better and work harder. Coach is half flexible at times during games when he just decides to let them run when all is lost so why the fk doesn't he do that all the time and work the game plan within the players strengths.
And just to reiterate something I mentioned during the week.....these days we're playing our best footy at Etihad.....and it really pains me to say that, but right now the proof is irrefutable.
How's that for some quick fire work by the mod's.....impressive!
At least we showed the previous 2 weeks were the exception rather than the norm. The jury is in and we are fecking terrible.
I left at 3/4 time, I'd well and truly had enough by then. I might get around to watching the last quarter over the weekend to see how Collingwood let us off the hook, that's some hefty % they've missed out on tonight....hope that bites them squarely on the arse at a later date.
Would I be too harsh in saying that Sam Rowe is the worst footballer to ever play at this level?
Would I be too harsh in saying that Daisy embarrassed us and himself tonight?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are arguably the worst kicking team in the AFL in recent memory?
Would I be too harsh in saying that player-for-player, we have arguably the worst list in the AFL?
Would I be too harsh in saying that Carrazzo's body is done and that he should retire immediately?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are the least intimidating and physically weakest team in the AFL?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are a $hit truck of football team in general?
MM was full of praise for Rowe tonight. Just sayin'....
What the?
Best decision I've made in a very long time not to go tonight. Probably the first time in 10 years but I certainly got it right. How cr@p were they tonight? Worst skills and decision making I've seen in an AFL side for many moons. Looked like we were trying to minimize the damage for 3 quarters and then a combination of them taking the pedal off and our decision to take and run flattered the end result. Cr2pola of the highest order. God I hope we can beats the Aints.
And just to reiterate something I mentioned during the week.....these days we're playing our best footy at Etihad.....and it really pains me to say that, but right now the proof is irrefutable.
It doesn't matter Brettie. The long term focus is what we should concern ourselves with, and the "G" is where we need to be.
How's that for some quick fire work by the mod's.....impressive!
Enhancing, I love it.
Best decision I've made in a very long time not to go tonight.
One of my apprentices is a filth supporter.
I said to him tonight, if Collingwood win expect that I shall give you some Mutha farking jobs tomorrow. So it's in your best interest to hope Carlton win.
He's Farked!!
And just to reiterate something I mentioned during the week.....these days we're playing our best footy at Etihad.....and it really pains me to say that, but right now the proof is irrefutable.
It doesn't matter Brettie. The long term focus is what we should concern ourselves with, and the "G" is where we need to be.
It's smaller and we don't have to run as much.
Not much you can do against the top teams when you ve got a crap list with lack of depth and players like Yarran, Judd, Carrazzo, and Kreuzer are missing.
Murphy battled well with the close checking he got. Didn't sook it up and underperform like the first month. Criticism of him by some posters is unwarranted.
For me, this year is a write off for Daisy. Just get him back up and playing. He ll be much much better from next year after a full pre season under his belt.
What is obvious to me, is that we must pump wads of $$$$ into development and recruitment. We re stuck in the 90s / early 2000s in this department. This is how the Pies pick out talented players left right and centre, and we cant pick a pro in a brothel.
Not much you can do against the top teams when you ve got a crap list with lack of depth and players like Yarran, Judd, Carrazzo, and Kreuzer are missing.
Add Curnow to that list...I think we're missing him at least as much as any of those guys for the role he plays.
And just to reiterate something I mentioned during the week.....these days we're playing our best footy at Etihad.....and it really pains me to say that, but right now the proof is irrefutable.
It doesn't matter Brettie. The long term focus is what we should concern ourselves with, and the "G" is where we need to be.
It's smaller and we don't have to run as much.
It seats 90k+ and is where they play the GF.
Not much you can do against the top teams when you ve got a crap list with lack of depth and players like Yarran, Judd, Carrazzo, and Kreuzer are missing.
Add Curnow to that list...I think we're missing him at least as much as any of those guys for the role he plays.
How we didn't lose by 10 goals- 100 points is astounding given our list. Collingwood failed massively!!
And just to reiterate something I mentioned during the week.....these days we're playing our best footy at Etihad.....and it really pains me to say that, but right now the proof is irrefutable.
It doesn't matter Brettie. The long term focus is what we should concern ourselves with, and the "G" is where we need to be.
It's smaller and we don't have to run as much.
It seats 90k+ and is where they play the GF.
I'm with you Juddy.
I was just pointing out why I think we've been playing well there.
If only we had a President with a clear, positive view on how to move forward as a Club after this year instead of another puppet of the benefactors.
Im quickly coming to grips with the notion that we will never return to what we once were, and will continue to live in the shadows of our former glories for years to come....
And just to reiterate something I mentioned during the week.....these days we're playing our best footy at Etihad.....and it really pains me to say that, but right now the proof is irrefutable.
It doesn't matter Brettie. The long term focus is what we should concern ourselves with, and the "G" is where we need to be.
It's smaller and we don't have to run as much.
It seats 90k+ and is where they play the GF.
I'm with you Juddy.
I was just pointing out why I think we've been playing well there.
You're right mate. We still need to make the move though. Hawks and Pies have left us for dead.
Our foot skills are nowhere near afl level we r crap. It is so sad to watch Carlton now it's like the old Pagon days the wooden spoons r soon to come oh dear oh dear...
TBF the umps crucified us in the first half (Hendo should have had 3 frees)but typically, our boys just dropped their heads and let the Pies walk all over us for a while in that second term. It just seemed like we had a lot more numbers behind the ball last night, huge numbers, and every time we tried to run it out of defence there were no options.
Tell me WTF has this club come to they still haven't learned from their mistakes. WTF are White and Rowe even doing on our list? We are playing the Pies and this is the best we can offer in defence? Not saying they were the worst on the night but we are going NOWHERE with these two.
Two players for mine stand out as having gone backwards this year and they're two players that in all reality should be coming on. Kane Lucas and Jeff Garlett have just become nothing players IMO. Zero presence, zero desperation, they epitomise everything that is wrong with our side. Especially Garlett who I had down as a star by this stage of his career. Extremely disappointing. Lucas delist and Garlett trade back to WA for some steak knives. We almost ould have been better off giving Eddie his 600k and looking to trade Garlett who would have had some currency.
Re Thomas this year seems like a bit of a write off ATM, he's not playing like a 700k player so realistically that's 700k worth of salary cap we've wasted this season.
Geez I saw Everitt's stats but I thought he was quite awful up till three quarter time. Fell asleep at the start of the last quarter.
You look at Walker, built like Tarzan plays like Jane. JUst get him out of defence he's such an athletic beast, seems wasted back there and not performing anyway.
TBH I don't think it was lack of effort tonight most boys put in, we were just outclassed in a big way the Pies midfield is as good as they come ATM, and we had a lot of outs. There were a few like Lucas and Garlett that really let the team down and when you're outclassed and don't have everyone putting in this is the result.
Still think Hendo is better back in defence.
I'm with you on Everitt.
Thought he looked pretty a average and also took some short steps .
I'm with you on Everitt.
Thought he looked pretty a average and also took some short steps .
I kind of disagree with both of you. Its funny how after a loss i might see the certain players differently to others, and vice-versa. Nobody is right or wrong, i just think Everitt in his movements can be quite laconic at the best of times, but i don't think he gave up. Getting 12 marks and 23 touches in a game of AFL when you are being obliterated by the opposition is no easy feat. Showed more heart than that overpaid hack that i know refer to as $700k.
I'm with you on Everitt.
Thought he looked pretty a average and also took some short steps .
Oh my god yes. He really set the tone early where he had a few contests and waited and didnt attack it.
Watch the first quarter and a few times he didnt want to go and didnt...
Him, Lucas both didnt want to take the hit on several occasions.
Perhaps i wasn't paying enough attention, i thought he did ok
At least we showed the previous 2 weeks were the exception rather than the norm. The jury is in and we are fecking terrible.
I left at 3/4 time, I'd well and truly had enough by then. I might get around to watching the last quarter over the weekend to see how Collingwood let us off the hook, that's some hefty % they've missed out on tonight....hope that bites them squarely on the arse at a later date.
Would I be too harsh in saying that Sam Rowe is the worst footballer to ever play at this level?
Would I be too harsh in saying that Daisy embarrassed us and himself tonight?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are arguably the worst kicking team in the AFL in recent memory?
Would I be too harsh in saying that player-for-player, we have arguably the worst list in the AFL?
Would I be too harsh in saying that Carrazzo's body is done and that he should retire immediately?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are the least intimidating and physically weakest team in the AFL?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are a $hit truck of football team in general?
MM was full of praise for Rowe tonight. Just sayin'....
Haven't seen the press conference yet. As usual, it takes the CFC media department 3 months to upload it >:(
But if he praised number 17 (I said I wouldn't mention his name again), then he's gone. Not just as a coach, but as a judge of a footballers ability and his contribution in a game.
17, can't function under pressure because he lacks basic skills. He can't or doesn't want to mark. His handballs when he gets one, don't hit the target. His kicking to position or to a player, is non-existent. He panics when tackled. He gives away, and last night gave away, at least 3-4 free kicks a night, because he tries to compensate for his lack of ability by scragging and pulling jumpers and arms of his opponents, and hasn't got the intelligence to realise that the umpires have woken up to what he is doing.
He's a hack, pure and simple, and not up to AFL standard. But he's in the side at the moment, because we don't according to Mick, have anyone better. If MM can't see that the man just doesn't have it, and really believes that he's a contributor to this team, such as it is a team, then Mick is gone as a coach and a person who has the ability to sum up his cattle in a realistic manner.
Pay more attention next time BA That's just not good enough!! :P
Pay more attention next time BA That's just not good enough!! :P
I spose its hard to pay attention when im blinded by rage >:( :P
My misses knows not much about footy but I told her we let Betts go because we wouldn't pay him 600k but got Thomas over for 700k. I then told her Thomas had hardly played for 2 years and wasn't in form. She nearly fell off her seat. She's wondering how the club could make such an incompetent decision. She knows not too much as I said but there you go from an outsider's perspective.
Best decision I've made in a very long time not to go tonight.
One of my apprentices is a filth supporter.
I said to him tonight, if Collingwood win expect that I shall give you some Mutha farking jobs tomorrow. So it's in your best interest to hope Carlton win.
He's Farked!!
This I like - don't soften up
At least we showed the previous 2 weeks were the exception rather than the norm. The jury is in and we are fecking terrible.
I left at 3/4 time, I'd well and truly had enough by then. I might get around to watching the last quarter over the weekend to see how Collingwood let us off the hook, that's some hefty % they've missed out on tonight....hope that bites them squarely on the arse at a later date.
Would I be too harsh in saying that Sam Rowe is the worst footballer to ever play at this level?
Would I be too harsh in saying that Daisy embarrassed us and himself tonight?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are arguably the worst kicking team in the AFL in recent memory?
Would I be too harsh in saying that player-for-player, we have arguably the worst list in the AFL?
Would I be too harsh in saying that Carrazzo's body is done and that he should retire immediately?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are the least intimidating and physically weakest team in the AFL?
Would I be too harsh in saying that we are a $hit truck of football team in general?
MM was full of praise for Rowe tonight. Just sayin'....
Haven't seen the press conference yet. As usual, it takes the CFC media department 3 months to upload it >:(
But if he praised number 17 (I said I wouldn't mention his name again), then he's gone. Not just as a coach, but as a judge of a footballers ability and his contribution in a game.
17, can't function under pressure because he lacks basic skills. He can't or doesn't want to mark. His handballs when he gets one, don't hit the target. His kicking to position or to a player, is non-existent. He panics when tackled. He gives away, and last night gave away, at least 3-4 free kicks a night, because he tries to compensate for his lack of ability by scragging and pulling jumpers and arms of his opponents, and hasn't got the intelligence to realise that the umpires have woken up to what he is doing.
He's a hack, pure and simple, and not up to AFL standard. But he's in the side at the moment, because we don't according to Mick, have anyone better. If MM can't see that the man just doesn't have it, and really believes that he's a contributor to this team, such as it is a team, then Mick is gone as a coach and a person who has the ability to sum up his cattle in a realistic manner.
In fairness to Mick (and I don't really need or want to defend him), but he did concede that Rowe had a 15 minute bad patch....
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Daisy earned his nickname tonight
:))
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Some people are easily pleased. ;)
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
I thought we started very well but as I mentioned in the in-game thread, whenever we start like this it last's all of about 5 minutes and we end up getting smashed.
After watching the last quarter I thought we had far less men behind the ball and looked way more dangerous when attacking because there were multiple options to kick to. Thought Bell had a really good quarter.
Funny, what Rowe did Frost and (?) Keefe did at the other end... they just got away with it due to WTF umpiring. What was Rowe suposed to do, simply concede? Cloke also got laces out delivery and Rowe was constantly left one-out with no assistance because the other defenders had their hands full. Yet Rowe is why we lost? F me, we could have had SOS on Cloke and he still would have had a picnic last night.
Yea Rowe had one very panicky disposal that I can remember.... but Thomas, Gibbs and Walker set the scene in that regard. If you want to talk about blokes who can't dispose of the ball and have no idea where to position themselves... look at our much vaunted mid-sized "defenders". Touhy can't position himself - simply has NFI - and Walker's disposal is coughing up 3-5 goals a game.
Rowe wasn't at fault for the loss but fk me the guy just doesn't cut it at this level. Watson got another contract last year well play him FFS. WTF is this club on is it that hard?
Agree, Rowe has limitations, but he ain't the problem. It is systemic;
We have;
1. A heap of average, limited players. But they can do roles if played to their strengths. They need to be replaced by better talent.
2. Half the side aren't fit. Horrible personnel management.
3. We have senior players who have questionable workrate... there are a couple in the midfield and they are killing us. They need to go.
4. We have an inflexible, stubborn coach.
TBH I don't think it was lack of effort tonight most boys put in, we were just outclassed in a big way the Pies midfield is as good as they come ATM, and we had a lot of outs.
They refused to make options off half back (except Buckley), they refused to run to stoppages and chasing was up and down. The set up at some stoppages was staggering, Collingwood just waltzed away with it without our players being near them. The scary part was I thought Collingwood were just going. I can understand the outs but I thought we still played without much intent.
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....
I thought MM summed it up with two points in his Media Conference.
1. Too many passengers.
2. Too many blokes who cannot or will not concentrate for the full 120 minutes.
On the upside - good to Sam Docherty get a gig, be surprised if he spends any more time in the NBs.
I thought MM summed it up with two points in his Media Conference.
1. Too many passengers.
2. Too many blokes who cannot or will not concentrate for the full 120 minutes.
On the upside - good to Sam Docherty get a gig, be surprised if he spends any more time in the NBs.
The issue I had with both points were;
1. He couldn't identify "how many" passengers we had; and
2. How can our blokes stop concentrating after 7 minutes of play?
I thought MM summed it up with two points in his Media Conference.
1. Too many passengers.
2. Too many blokes who cannot or will not concentrate for the full 120 minutes.
On the upside - good to Sam Docherty get a gig, be surprised if he spends any more time in the NBs.
Did he forget to mention he put too many players behind the ball and our men had no options coming out of defence? Seems a glaring omission to me.
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....
Even then it looked fragile and tentative to me and didn't look like it would last long - just a bit of teasing IMO. Just waiting for the Pies to get going. Maybe I'm getting combat fatigue or something but I just knew we would very quickly fall into the heap that we did. :(
We are sh1te!
TBH I don't think it was lack of effort tonight most boys put in, we were just outclassed in a big way the Pies midfield is as good as they come ATM, and we had a lot of outs.
They refused to make options off half back (except Buckley), they refused to run to stoppages and chasing was up and down. The set up at some stoppages was staggering, Collingwood just waltzed away with it without our players being near them. The scary part was I thought Collingwood were just going. I can understand the outs but I thought we still played without much intent.
Fair enough there was some awful defending in the first half but I thought our blokes had a decent crack at stages but it just wan't working they had very few options to kick to. I thought in the last quarter with less players flooded back we improved out of sight.
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....
The clangers are a symptom. When an opponent, generally a top 6ish opponent, applies bona fide heat to our girls, they go to water... then the clangers, fumbling, poor disposal and decisions abound which would make any game plan look bad.
I recall L. Matthews saying some time ago that the whole 'game plan' thing is overrated. He stressed that having a really good / strong list of blokes playing well will make any game plan look good... conversely, no matter how supposedly good a game plan is, if you aint got the cattle then your game strategy can only end up looking shizen.
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....
The clangers are a symptom. When an opponent, generally a top 6ish opponent, applies bona fide heat to our girls, they go to water... then the clangers, fumbling, poor disposal and decisions abound which would make any game plan look bad.
Yes, but this doesn't explain the errors when no pressure was applied i.e after taking a mark and then handballing to a teammate with an opponent directly on them!!! Or just generally missing targets from set shots, or in general play. It is mainly OUR guys who are putting us under pressure rather than the opposition. If you have the stomach for it, watch the first 3Q again...
I think the one thing that is coming out of all this right now is that we as supporters have been sold a dud !!
Everyone was told to "stick fat" and buy memberships, the club has sacked a favourite son and brought in one of the biggest names in coaching ever on the premise that we were a whisker away from a premiership tilt.
Five losses from seven games with all of them being extremely embarrassing has many people very angry now that their goodwill and faith has basically been taken for granted and/or the club is essentially a huge pisstake.
There is also the blind loyalty that a high number of Blues supporters have to the players which has now been blown out of the water as even though they really want to see success, deep down they know that these players are not going to take us anywhere.
Overall, we are a mid-table team at best and a bottom-feeder of a club with questionable management and no leadership of note coming over the hill to save us.
19 years since our last flag and right now, we look further away from winning one than we ever have in this period.
It's sad really but the club only has itself to thank for being in such a predicament. As shown by some of the other successful clubs, sheer arrogance & short-cuts aren't the methodology that wins these days, nothing less than hard work & a future vision does.
And one thing people need to realise re clangers under pressure v clangers under no pressure is;
The initial clanger under no pressure can cause a chain of clangers under pressure.
For example, a player takes a mark, has time to assess (under no physical pressure), and lays off a sloppy handball that immediately puts his teammate under physical pressure, who in turn creates another clanger to someone else under pressure etcetera, etcetera, etcetera...
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....
The clangers are a symptom. When an opponent, generally a top 6ish opponent, applies bona fide heat to our girls, they go to water... then the clangers, fumbling, poor disposal and decisions abound which would make any game plan look bad.
I recall L. Matthews saying some time ago that the whole 'game plan' thing is overrated. He stressed that having a really good / strong list of blokes playing well will make any game plan look good... conversely, no matter how supposedly good a game plan is, if you aint got the cattle then your game strategy can only end up looking shizen.
Agree with the bolded bit. By the same token, you have to accept the list you have, and play to win. If you don't like the list's attributes, have a clean out at season's end. But winning breeds confidence, and if we win against bottom 8 teams with shoot out footy, then for now, so be it. The team is demoralized, and the gap between our best and worst is too great. It's without question between the ears stuff. Whether it's the coach whether the players are lazy, whether it's conditioning, whether players are screwing each other's WAGS, I don't know. Communication and cohesion is poor. The players can't keep their composure, and can't execute under pressure.I will never accept that this team's potential is to be bottom 4. The list is better than that. I just want to see them playing to their potential every week.
I think the one thing that is coming out of all this right now is that we as supporters have been sold a dud !!
Everyone was told to "stick fat" and buy memberships, the club has sacked a favourite son and brought in one of the biggest names in coaching ever on the premise that we were a whisker away from a premiership tilt.
Five losses from seven games with all of them being extremely embarrassing has many people very angry now that their goodwill and faith has basically been taken for granted and/or the club is essentially a huge pisstake.
There is also the blind loyalty that a high number of Blues supporters have to the players which has now been blown out of the water as even though they really want to see success, deep down they know that these players are not going to take us anywhere.
Overall, we are a mid-table team at best and a bottom-feeder of a club with questionable management and no leadership of note coming over the hill to save us.
19 years since our last flag and right now, we look further away from winning one than we ever have in this period.
It's sad really but the club only has itself to thank for being in such a predicament. As shown by some of the other successful clubs, sheer arrogance & short-cuts aren't the methodology that wins these days, nothing less than hard work & a future vision does.
Spot on Sheik - that is unfortunately very much how it stands. Change will need to start at the board level - I am not optimistic atm.
Said it before and I'll say it again, MM coaching is crape!
Too much Jekyll and Hyde performance.
We can't always blame the coach. The mugs out on the park determine the result. It' simple, we have too many who do too few, when the pressure is applied.
In comparison to the arch enemy, we need a handful of tattooed Bogans donning the Navy Blue and not the Metro Nancy boys we currently have on the list.
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....
The clangers are a symptom. When an opponent, generally a top 6ish opponent, applies bona fide heat to our girls, they go to water... then the clangers, fumbling, poor disposal and decisions abound which would make any game plan look bad.
I recall L. Matthews saying some time ago that the whole 'game plan' thing is overrated. He stressed that having a really good / strong list of blokes playing well will make any game plan look good... conversely, no matter how supposedly good a game plan is, if you aint got the cattle then your game strategy can only end up looking shizen.
Agree with the bolded bit. By the same token, you have to accept the list you have, and play to win. If you don't like the list's attributes, have a clean out at season's end. But winning breeds confidence, and if we win against bottom 8 teams with shoot out footy, then for now, so be it. The team is demoralized, and the gap between our best and worst is too great. It's without question between the ears stuff. Whether it's the coach whether the players are lazy, whether it's conditioning, whether players are screwing each other's WAGS, I don't know. Communication and cohesion is poor. The players can't keep their composure, and can't execute under pressure.I will never accept that this team's potential is to be bottom 4. The list is better than that. I just want to see them playing to their potential every week.
Enough short cutting and feeling good getting soft wins playing open football.
We changed it up last year and wasted the season just to have to do waste another year now. If we lose matches until these idiots can figure out what it takes then so be it.
Also get the kids that show the right stuff away from the blokes who don't. You only breed more of the same crap culture.
Changing it up last year saved our season.
@Sheik
And what is more, you could tell almost from the first bounce that we were in for an off-night.
I thought we started pretty well.
Agree. Probably the first 7 minutes or so. Then the clangers began....
The clangers are a symptom. When an opponent, generally a top 6ish opponent, applies bona fide heat to our girls, they go to water... then the clangers, fumbling, poor disposal and decisions abound which would make any game plan look bad.
I recall L. Matthews saying some time ago that the whole 'game plan' thing is overrated. He stressed that having a really good / strong list of blokes playing well will make any game plan look good... conversely, no matter how supposedly good a game plan is, if you aint got the cattle then your game strategy can only end up looking shizen.
Agree with the bolded bit. By the same token, you have to accept the list you have, and play to win. If you don't like the list's attributes, have a clean out at season's end. But winning breeds confidence, and if we win against bottom 8 teams with shoot out footy, then for now, so be it. The team is demoralized, and the gap between our best and worst is too great. It's without question between the ears stuff. Whether it's the coach whether the players are lazy, whether it's conditioning, whether players are screwing each other's WAGS, I don't know. Communication and cohesion is poor. The players can't keep their composure, and can't execute under pressure.I will never accept that this team's potential is to be bottom 4. The list is better than that. I just want to see them playing to their potential every week.
Enough short cutting and feeling good getting soft wins playing open football.
We changed it up last year and wasted the season just to have to do waste another year now. If we lose matches until these idiots can figure out what it takes then so be it.
Also get the kids that show the right stuff away from the blokes who don't. You only breed more of the same crap culture.
That's all well and good. And if you believe the culture is crap and this comes from the players, then fine - have a clean out at season's end, and get the players you want. MM has had two pre seasons, so he's had chances. In the meantime, play to win with the list you have.
Changing it up last year saved our season.
And this season, we'll for a few weeks anyway. It's definitely shot now.
Imagine if when we got Mick we said we'd scrape into finals off the back of Essendon's cheating then miss out the following year...
I think most would have opted for the status quo.
So what was the story with Waite?
Is he playing seconds?
Kane Lucas delist. Is one of, or the worst, I have seen at AFL level.
Menzel as sub is absolutely ridiculous.
Carrazzo and Waite our injured again - gee...surprise, surprise. Happy to let them both go. Same for Judd. We've got to get past the Judd-saviour era IMO. Hate to say it.
Gibbs can walk. Another scared perfomance. Downhiller.
Garlett trade if anyone wants him. Scared little boy out there ala Lucas.
Buckley shows the most heart I have seen in a navy Blue jumper in a long long longggggggg time@!!!
Putrid performance but unfortunately I was not surprised.
People bagging Rowe and co - he is not the problem. the amount of quality ball coming in - 71% to 29% late in the game in the Pies favour time spent in the forward 50 - give me a break! He may not be our key back we want but you know very little if you think he's the reason we are so poor and why we were so disgraceful last night!
Walker down back - end this now! Cannot field kick to save himself and is a liability down back. Move him back forward permanently.
Literally time to play the kids - get all of Cripps, Holman, Graham and Giles in the team along with Menzel, Buckley and Docherty. That's the future!
Culture change and a new era required - ASAP!!!!
Kane Lucas delist. Is one of, or the worst, I have seen at AFL level.
Menzel as sub is absolutely ridiculous.
Carrazzo and Waite our injured again - gee...surprise, surprise. Happy to let them both go. Same for Judd. We've got to get past the Judd-saviour era IMO. Hate to say it.
Gibbs can walk. Another scared perfomance. Downhiller.
Garlett trade if anyone wants him. Scared little boy out there ala Lucas.
Buckley shows the most heart I have seen in a navy Blue jumper in a long long longggggggg time@!!!
Putrid performance but unfortunately I was not surprised.
People bagging Rowe and co - he is not the problem. the amount of quality ball coming in - 71% to 29% late in the game in the Pies favour time spent in the forward 50 - give me a break! He may not be our key back we want but you know very little if you think he's the reason we are so poor and why we were so disgraceful last night!
Walker down back - end this now! Cannot field kick to save himself and is a liability down back. Move him back forward permanently.
Literally time to play the kids - get all of Cripps, Holman, Graham and Giles in the team along with Menzel, Buckley and Docherty. That's the future!
Culture change and a new era required - ASAP!!!!
A lot of specifics there that are right on the money.
Off to Cramer street now... hopefully to see some kids with the ability to put in 120 minutes... and ticker.
Disappointing performance, once carrazzo and waite were out i just wanted us to be competitive, which we were in the last qtr surprise surprise.
I am just absolutely bemused as to how incredibly poor our disposal is, it is ridiculous. Collingwood knew this coming in and applied immense pressure which made us crumble. They killed us mentally and it showed.
Never been a fan of Lucas but never been a hater but i think its time i jump on the wagon. putrid.
I don't mind Menzel as the sub but considering the outs he should have started on the field.
I also don't quite understand the knocks on rowe. He is what we have and he is what we work with. We can drop him for who? bootsma? It wasn't Rowes best game but he tried, unlike others.
Did anyone quite grab what Malthouse said to that knob Mark Stevens as you was leaving the press conference? His words were fading as he left the microphone...
The big reservation I have about playing too many of the kids is the exposure they would get to our poor seniors culture atm. We have to find a way to mitigate that influence IMO. Kids only learn from their senior mentors on field and ours are a real worry!
The big reservation I have about playing too many of the kids is the exposure they would get to our poor seniors culture atm. We have to find a way to mitigate that influence IMO. Kids only learn from their senior mentors on field and ours are a real worry!
MM said in his presser that the kids would get about 15 games total. BTW Cookie, enjoy your WA safari.
The big reservation I have about playing too many of the kids is the exposure they would get to our poor seniors culture atm. We have to find a way to mitigate that influence IMO. Kids only learn from their senior mentors on field and ours are a real worry!
MM said in his presser that the kids would get about 15 games total. BTW Cookie, enjoy your WA safari.
:D, I will mate! BTW, said pig doesn't sometimes lurk on the Canning Stock Route does she? :o
MM said in his presser that the kids would get about 15 games total. BTW Cookie, enjoy your WA safari.
Better clarify that, he said 15 games each collectively and that is made up of practice matches, VFL matches & AFL games.
The big reservation I have about playing too many of the kids is the exposure they would get to our poor seniors culture atm. We have to find a way to mitigate that influence IMO. Kids only learn from their senior mentors on field and ours are a real worry!
MM said in his presser that the kids would get about 15 games total. BTW Cookie, enjoy your WA safari.
:D, I will mate! BTW, said pig doesn't sometimes lurk on the Canning Stock Route does she? :o
Watch out cookie - she's bonkers.
MM said in his presser that the kids would get about 15 games total. BTW Cookie, enjoy your WA safari.
Better clarify that, he said 15 games each collectively and that is made up of practice matches, VFL matches & AFL games.
I'll take your word for it Sheik. The overall impression is that we won't be seeing them too much in the seniors, despite the wishes of some on here. Must be tanking.
Well, he could pick ANY body and they would have contributed more than Daisy and Lucas last night.
Seriously this coach need help.
Said it last year. The club should INSIST he gets good assistants, the current pumpkins are just yes men hand picked by MM to keep himself safe.
Also.
Mick said we had "passengers" yesterday.
So can we assume whoever get's dropped this week is a passenger.
For me the two biggest were Lucas an Daisy, so lets see if MM backs up his words.
Get serious and make a real statement - drop Gibbs and/or Walker.
Last night's result shouldn't come as a surprise.
We had 6 first choice players out and of those 5 would be in our best 10, very few teams would be able to cover them, our list is no better than average with everyone up and available but there's no quick fix.
If you pick up 3 good players every off season you've done well and at least one of them is usually a green as grass kid who will take a couple of years to show his stuff, so as supporters we have no real choice other than to be patient and hope that we have finally addressed our pathetic recruiting record.
Some of the youngsters showed good form in a bad team performance last night so that's one positive to take away from the game, but until we get somewhere near our best 22 on the park there will be more losses, unless Yarran, Waite and Carrazzo come up for next week we'll struggle against St Kilda.
I went to the game last night and what was as clear as day is that "confidence" or lack there of was our biggest issue and in turn caused us so many turnovers, so many slow plays, so many rushed kicks as first options were hardly ever taken..
Forget game plan, once Collingwood got in front, Carlton as a whole team (minus Buckley) went into their shells.. It was so clear to see..
I reckon once they heard Waite was out, Carrazzo was out, and Yarran was out, they reacted like the supporters did thinking oh well we wont win.. We gave it a crack for the first few minutes, but once Collingwood got back in front they all seem to accept their fate and went to water...
There was so much hesitation and its all caused by their lack of confidence and going back into their shell..
Walker during the week was spot on, that our best football is when we take the game on... Well that involves risks and confidence.. We didn't take risks until the game was gone and we had nothing to lose.. Only then did we start to kick goals which gave us more confidence. That then gave us more goals because we took more risks..
I truley believe this team plays its best football when it has nothing to lose.. Its something Mick has to get out of the groups mindset.. But its almost an impossible task.
Ive never seen a team hesitate or go into its shell like we did last night... Players didnt even have confidence to hit up a 20m pass at times.. It was awful..
The big reservation I have about playing too many of the kids is the exposure they would get to our poor seniors culture atm. We have to find a way to mitigate that influence IMO. Kids only learn from their senior mentors on field and ours are a real worry!
MM said in his presser that the kids would get about 15 games total. BTW Cookie, enjoy your WA safari.
:D, I will mate! BTW, said pig doesn't sometimes lurk on the Canning Stock Route does she? :o
Watch out cookie - she's bonkers.
Speaking of bonkers, what's up with some of the women at the ground. I can handle the yelling, fair enough but what's the deal with the full on shrills? It's like sitting in a cockatoo cage. Not that some men are much better but fark me it's difficult to handle.
Its interesting with our little resurgences in the last qtr of footy. Why is this happening? is it the players just not caring if they fk up anymore and just doing what they want? Collingwood would have been wary of this going into the match and they still couldn't halt us.
Its interesting with our little resurgences in the last qtr of footy. Why is this happening? is it the players just not caring if they fk up anymore and just doing what they want? Collingwood would have been wary of this going into the match and they still couldn't halt us.
At least it shows we're fit. ;)
Its interesting with our little resurgences in the last qtr of footy. Why is this happening? is it the players just not caring if they fk up anymore and just doing what they want? Collingwood would have been wary of this going into the match and they still couldn't halt us.
At least it shows we're fit. ;)
Or they didn't work hard enough when the game was up for grabs.
I went to the game last night and what was as clear as day is that "confidence" or lack there of was our biggest issue and in turn caused us so many turnovers, so many slow plays, so many rushed kicks as first options were hardly ever taken..
Forget game plan, once Collingwood got in front, Carlton as a whole team (minus Buckley) went into their shells.. It was so clear to see..
I reckon once they heard Waite was out, Carrazzo was out, and Yarran was out, they reacted like the supporters did thinking oh well we wont win.. We gave it a crack for the first few minutes, but once Collingwood got back in front they all seem to accept their fate and went to water...
There was so much hesitation and its all caused by their lack of confidence and going back into their shell..
Walker during the week was spot on, that our best football is when we take the game on... Well that involves risks and confidence.. We didn't take risks until the game was gone and we had nothing to lose.. Only then did we start to kick goals which gave us more confidence. That then gave us more goals because we took more risks..
I truley believe this team plays its best football when it has nothing to lose.. Its something Mick has to get out of the groups mindset.. But its almost an impossible task.
Ive never seen a team hesitate or go into its shell like we did last night... Players didnt even have confidence to hit up a 20m pass at times.. It was awful..
I though we looked like the Tigers have a couple of times this year.
I went to the game last night and what was as clear as day is that "confidence" or lack there of was our biggest issue and in turn caused us so many turnovers, so many slow plays, so many rushed kicks as first options were hardly ever taken..
Forget game plan, once Collingwood got in front, Carlton as a whole team (minus Buckley) went into their shells.. It was so clear to see..
I reckon once they heard Waite was out, Carrazzo was out, and Yarran was out, they reacted like the supporters did thinking oh well we wont win.. We gave it a crack for the first few minutes, but once Collingwood got back in front they all seem to accept their fate and went to water...
There was so much hesitation and its all caused by their lack of confidence and going back into their shell..
Walker during the week was spot on, that our best football is when we take the game on... Well that involves risks and confidence.. We didn't take risks until the game was gone and we had nothing to lose.. Only then did we start to kick goals which gave us more confidence. That then gave us more goals because we took more risks..
I truley believe this team plays its best football when it has nothing to lose.. Its something Mick has to get out of the groups mindset.. But its almost an impossible task.
Ive never seen a team hesitate or go into its shell like we did last night... Players didnt even have confidence to hit up a 20m pass at times.. It was awful..
Agree - the difference between our best and worst is entirely between the ears.
I went to the game last night and what was as clear as day is that "confidence" or lack there of was our biggest issue and in turn caused us so many turnovers, so many slow plays, so many rushed kicks as first options were hardly ever taken..
Forget game plan, once Collingwood got in front, Carlton as a whole team (minus Buckley) went into their shells.. It was so clear to see..
I reckon once they heard Waite was out, Carrazzo was out, and Yarran was out, they reacted like the supporters did thinking oh well we wont win.. We gave it a crack for the first few minutes, but once Collingwood got back in front they all seem to accept their fate and went to water...
There was so much hesitation and its all caused by their lack of confidence and going back into their shell..
Walker during the week was spot on, that our best football is when we take the game on... Well that involves risks and confidence.. We didn't take risks until the game was gone and we had nothing to lose.. Only then did we start to kick goals which gave us more confidence. That then gave us more goals because we took more risks..
I truley believe this team plays its best football when it has nothing to lose.. Its something Mick has to get out of the groups mindset.. But its almost an impossible task.
Ive never seen a team hesitate or go into its shell like we did last night... Players didnt even have confidence to hit up a 20m pass at times.. It was awful..
Agree - the difference between our best and worst is entirely between the ears.
+1.
The Pies simply aren't that good. Sure they do all the baSICS WELL AND PLAY DISCIPLINED FOOTY BUT WE LET THEM.
Our disposal in Q1 killed the game for us - guys like Walker, even Simmo, 2E et al were pathetic coming out of out D50.
Moreover, our' stars' - Murphy, Gibbs, Hendo, Daisy, were way off boil.
It was a sad day for the Club.
Giles should have played 3 weeks ago. It's a no brainer. Ditto Holman and Graham.
Whomever allowed Bell to go out on the park last night should be shot - seriously, how to destroy a young kid - mentally & physically.
MM needs to take 100% of the heat for these softdock performances.
It is between the ears - collectively - for whatever reason - and that is a Coach's problem. Every daY OF THE WEEK.
Drop the so called guns if they aren't producing - Captain included, quite frankly.
Thomas should get 1 more game then to the NBS if out put doesn't lift markedly.
Thomas should get 1 more game then to the NBS if out put doesn't lift markedly.
With the money he's on I'd expect Daisy should be doing a bit extra around the club so save us some coin. Working the cafeteria, washing the players guernseys, cleaning the toilets...etc.
Funny, what Rowe did Frost and (?) Keefe did at the other end... they just got away with it due to WTF umpiring. What was Rowe suposed to do, simply concede? Cloke also got laces out delivery and Rowe was constantly left one-out with no assistance because the other defenders had their hands full. Yet Rowe is why we lost? F me, we could have had SOS on Cloke and he still would have had a picnic last night.
Yea Rowe had one very panicky disposal that I can remember.... but Thomas, Gibbs and Walker set the scene in that regard. If you want to talk about blokes who can't dispose of the ball and have no idea where to position themselves... look at our much vaunted mid-sized "defenders". Touhy can't position himself - simply has NFI - and Walker's disposal is coughing up 3-5 goals a game.
I agree with everything you have written in this post about touhey and walker.
It wasn't 17's fault that we lost. He was just another of the many poor performances on the night. It's totally irrelevant that the C/wood players got away with it. The jumper pull on Hendo in the goal square is but one example. 17, didn't get away with it, and hasn't for weeks. You would think he';d learn, but he hasn't. That's just the act of a brainless individual.
Every defender had their hands full. That's no excuse for 17. He had a job to do.
But tell me this. When was the last time, no let me rephrase that. Has there ever been a time when he has taken the ball, gone for a run like Jamieson has done., and driven the ball to our advantage. I'll answer for you. he's never done it, because he doesn't have the ability.
He's a plodder at best. Yes, he tries, but he just doesn't have any skill or ability to be a key defender.
The quicker Mick wakes up to that fact, the better.
Thomas should get 1 more game then to the NBS if out put doesn't lift markedly.
With the money he's on I'd expect Daisy should be doing a bit extra around the club so save us some coin. Working the cafeteria, washing the players guernseys, cleaning the toilets...etc.
He has a job.
He's Micks "fluffer"
I think the one thing that is coming out of all this right now is that we as supporters have been sold a dud !!
Everyone was told to "stick fat" and buy memberships, the club has sacked a favourite son and brought in one of the biggest names in coaching ever on the premise that we were a whisker away from a premiership tilt.
Five losses from seven games with all of them being extremely embarrassing has many people very angry now that their goodwill and faith has basically been taken for granted and/or the club is essentially a huge pisstake.
There is also the blind loyalty that a high number of Blues supporters have to the players which has now been blown out of the water as even though they really want to see success, deep down they know that these players are not going to take us anywhere.
Overall, we are a mid-table team at best and a bottom-feeder of a club with questionable management and no leadership of note coming over the hill to save us.
19 years since our last flag and right now, we look further away from winning one than we ever have in this period.
It's sad really but the club only has itself to thank for being in such a predicament. As shown by some of the other successful clubs, sheer arrogance & short-cuts aren't the methodology that wins these days, nothing less than hard work & a future vision does.
Unless they DUD the numbers, no way we get to 50,000 members this year.
I don't know if they read this forum, but if they want to know how we really feel about what's going on, then they should.
The only problem with that is, that after reading it, they would treat what we say with contempt because they would feel that we really have no idea what we are talking about. I've had some involvement down there 40 years ago, and from that aspect, nothing has changed.
it's always, we know best and the supporters are just fwits that have to be milked for every cent we can get out of them.
Kane Lucas delist. Is one of, or the worst, I have seen at AFL level.
Menzel as sub is absolutely ridiculous.
Carrazzo and Waite our injured again - gee...surprise, surprise. Happy to let them both go. Same for Judd. We've got to get past the Judd-saviour era IMO. Hate to say it.
Gibbs can walk. Another scared perfomance. Downhiller.
Garlett trade if anyone wants him. Scared little boy out there ala Lucas.
Buckley shows the most heart I have seen in a navy Blue jumper in a long long longggggggg time@!!!
Putrid performance but unfortunately I was not surprised.
People bagging Rowe and co - he is not the problem. the amount of quality ball coming in - 71% to 29% late in the game in the Pies favour time spent in the forward 50 - give me a break! He may not be our key back we want but you know very little if you think he's the reason we are so poor and why we were so disgraceful last night!
Walker down back - end this now! Cannot field kick to save himself and is a liability down back. Move him back forward permanently.
Literally time to play the kids - get all of Cripps, Holman, Graham and Giles in the team along with Menzel, Buckley and Docherty. That's the future!
Culture change and a new era required - ASAP!!!!
x2
I have one comment to make as I went to the game (my first and probably only) for the year. They taught us a lesson on running, simple as that. The way they ran back to the fwd line to create options was first class. Our blokes looked lazy and stupid. Couldn't give a fork about the other aspects of the game. We were just plain lazy.
Get em in FFS
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CARLTON draftee Patrick Cripps has kicked three goals and gathered 22 possessions in the Northern Blues' nine-point loss to Coburg at Preston City Oval.
Nick Graham had 31 touches, rookie Jaryd Cachia 26 and former Collingwood big man Cameron Wood amassed a whopping 73 hit-outs in the ruck....
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We were just plain lazy.
This seems to be a legitimate and recurring theme, sadly....across the board.
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CARLTON draftee Patrick Cripps has kicked three goals and gathered 22 possessions in the Northern Blues' nine-point loss to Coburg at Preston City Oval.
Nick Graham had 31 touches, rookie Jaryd Cachia 26 and former Collingwood big man Cameron Wood amassed a whopping 73 hit-outs in the ruck....
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With Curnow out I'm surprised Cachia isn't getting a run
Wood 73 hitouts :o...he couldn't have directed them very well.
Looking for players that are "far more consistent and caring" according to Mick. Damning is being very polite.
I think the one thing that is coming out of all this right now is that we as supporters have been sold a dud !!
Everyone was told to "stick fat" and buy memberships, the club has sacked a favourite son and brought in one of the biggest names in coaching ever on the premise that we were a whisker away from a premiership tilt.
Five losses from seven games with all of them being extremely embarrassing has many people very angry now that their goodwill and faith has basically been taken for granted and/or the club is essentially a huge pisstake.
There is also the blind loyalty that a high number of Blues supporters have to the players which has now been blown out of the water as even though they really want to see success, deep down they know that these players are not going to take us anywhere.
Overall, we are a mid-table team at best and a bottom-feeder of a club with questionable management and no leadership of note coming over the hill to save us.
19 years since our last flag and right now, we look further away from winning one than we ever have in this period.
It's sad really but the club only has itself to thank for being in such a predicament. As shown by some of the other successful clubs, sheer arrogance & short-cuts aren't the methodology that wins these days, nothing less than hard work & a future vision does.
Unless they DUD the numbers, no way we get to 50,000 members this year.
I don't know if they read this forum, but if they want to know how we really feel about what's going on, then they should.
The only problem with that is, that after reading it, they would treat what we say with contempt because they would feel that we really have no idea what we are talking about. I've had some involvement down there 40 years ago, and from that aspect, nothing has changed.
it's always, we know best and the supporters are just fwits that have to be milked for every cent we can get out of them.
CFC membership will struggle to breach 40k next year.
There's a tough budget coming up
I was there as always for home games. The problem was that we lacked run off the half back line. Pies just put up a wall across the centre and we just kicked into it time after time. It was only in the last quarter when the Pies tired that we were able to run through the lines and position our kicks. Too late of course. We missed Yarran a lot particularly in the absence of Judd. Buckley had the idea and tried hard but doesn't yet have the strength to bust through tackles.
I wasn't too disappointed with the loss, I thought the scoreline flattered the pies early. We were in the game, the pressure was as high as it gets and the pies handled it a lot better and just had more polish delivering inside 50 and converting. As soon as Waite was ruled out I think we all knew we were in deep trouble and this was highlighted when Henderson was double teamed.
Something I've been meaning to ask.......Why do we wear frilly shorts? ???
Something I've been meaning to ask.......Why do we wear frilly shorts? ???
Because we cant wear frilly shirts
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WkjOUEBGFu8/TSalL7woQHI/AAAAAAAAAnM/U2ySF0_F5u0/s1600/seinfeld%2Bpuffy%2Bshirt.jpg)
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That's a puffy shirt ;) :D
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VFL
CARLTON draftee Patrick Cripps has kicked three goals and gathered 22 possessions in the Northern Blues' nine-point loss to Coburg at Preston City Oval.
Nick Graham had 31 touches, rookie Jaryd Cachia 26 and former Collingwood big man Cameron Wood amassed a whopping 73 hit-outs in the ruck....
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With Curnow out I'm surprised Cachia isn't getting a run
Wood 73 hitouts :o...he couldn't have directed them very well.
Most of his hit-outs were very good, big improvement from earlier in the season.
Get em in FFS
VFL
CARLTON draftee Patrick Cripps has kicked three goals and gathered 22 possessions in the Northern Blues' nine-point loss to Coburg at Preston City Oval.
Nick Graham had 31 touches, rookie Jaryd Cachia 26 and former Collingwood big man Cameron Wood amassed a whopping 73 hit-outs in the ruck....
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With Curnow out I'm surprised Cachia isn't getting a run
Wood 73 hitouts :o...he couldn't have directed them very well.
Most of his hit-outs were very good, big improvement from earlier in the season.
How come we lost then? ???
Get em in FFS
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CARLTON draftee Patrick Cripps has kicked three goals and gathered 22 possessions in the Northern Blues' nine-point loss to Coburg at Preston City Oval.
Nick Graham had 31 touches, rookie Jaryd Cachia 26 and former Collingwood big man Cameron Wood amassed a whopping 73 hit-outs in the ruck....
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With Curnow out I'm surprised Cachia isn't getting a run
Wood 73 hitouts :o...he couldn't have directed them very well.
Most of his hit-outs were very good, big improvement from earlier in the season.
How come we lost then? ???
Ordinary disposal by mids - Graham had the happy knack of kicking into opponents! No real effective / dangerous forward / bad kicking for goal. If they'd kicked straight they'd have won by a few... and if my aunt had a .... she'd be my uncle. Started the 3rd qtr with 5 success points! They then went forward twice for 2 goals... etc.
Coburg attacked the contest like Collingwood, the Northern Blues attacked the contest like Carlton.
A few did alright but most went missing when it counted.
Armies clearly struggling. Looked like he was limping a lot.
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CARLTON draftee Patrick Cripps has kicked three goals and gathered 22 possessions in the Northern Blues' nine-point loss to Coburg at Preston City Oval.
Nick Graham had 31 touches, rookie Jaryd Cachia 26 and former Collingwood big man Cameron Wood amassed a whopping 73 hit-outs in the ruck....
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With Curnow out I'm surprised Cachia isn't getting a run
Wood 73 hitouts :o...he couldn't have directed them very well.
Most of his hit-outs were very good, big improvement from earlier in the season.
How come we lost then? ???
Ordinary disposal by mids - Graham had the happy knack of kicking into opponents! No real effective / dangerous forward / bad kicking for goal. If they'd kicked straight they'd have won by a few... and if my aunt had a .... she'd be my uncle. Started the 3rd qtr with 5 success points! They then went forward twice for 2 goals... etc.
Fair enough.
I didn't see the game
So we won the clearances but lost it with disposal?
Seriously Arizona or any other junket training camp can get forked next preseason. We need work on every players disposal and goal kicking. And I mean non stop and I mean EVERYONE on the list. Practice makes perfect.
Seriously Arizona or any other junket training camp can get forked next preseason. We need work on every players disposal and goal kicking. And I mean non stop and I mean EVERYONE on the list. Practice makes perfect.
Our local footy oval would be the perfect venue - very near a train station, plenty of parking, excellent coffee venue nearby, and I can walk there with my dog and keep an eye on things! A lot cheaper than Arizona too. ;D
Send em to the local Pony Club... The Navy Blue Metro Princess Club can struck their stuff and get all dressed up in their favourite party frocks.
Nothing will change unless the playing list's attitude changes.
Failing that trade or sack the wannabes/passengers, we have more than our fair share.
Send em to the local Pony Club... The Navy Blue Metro Princess Club can struck their stuff and get all dressed up in their favourite party frocks.
Nothing will change unless the playing list's attitude changes.
Failing that trade or sack the wannabes/passengers, we have more than our fair share.
:))
2014 Grand CFC Sale! This year's specials, wannabes and passengers.
I've come to the point now, with this team this year, I am going to expect absolutely nothing that way when they play as piss poor as they do, I can't be dissapointed cause I expected nothing anyway :'(
I've come to the point now, with this team this year, I am going to expect absolutely nothing that way when they play as piss poor as they do, I can't be dissapointed cause I expected nothing anyway :'(
And when they get players back and really challenge the quality sides you shall be a man living the dream!! :))
Great strategy Morbria.
I've come to the point now, with this team this year, I am going to expect absolutely nothing that way when they play as piss poor as they do, I can't be dissapointed cause I expected nothing anyway :'(
And when they get players back and really challenge the quality sides you shall be a man living the dream!! :))
Great strategy Morbria.
Yes yes indeed
Williams rips Hendersons jumper then punches him in the head to the ground, no free play on.
Rowe gets a little finger caught in Cloke's jumper, free kick dud center!
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We have no control over the umpiring but we have control over players jogging behind the play, players not gut running to be the next to recieve the ball. Our players are gutless, insipid, and most would have their walking orders stamped by now. Rather be looking at blooding the grahams, johnsons and putting players like mclean in pergatory
A big call, I know, but I blame Daisy for the loss – let me explain:
Robbo kicks the first goal from a ripping grab....our 2nd shot at goal of the game not long after & Daisy lines up for what should’ve been a soda after a deserved free kick. It’s every Pies supporter’s nightmare seeing one of their once favourite sons lining up for goal in Navy Blue. The Pies fans predictably boo their lungs out, I look around me & in response, we in the Carlton members seating area (lower level of the GSS, with Daisy right in front of us) begin a counter-cheer to their boos, standing & clapping as Daisy lines up.....it was an awesome moment right there.
Kick the goal at that moment & can you imagine the lift in everything Navy Blue. Daisy would’ve felt a huge load off his shoulders from all the anticipation of this game, his teammates would’ve come from everywhere to joyously mob the hell out of him & the Carlton crowd would’ve gone boonta, as the Pies worst nightmare came true just minutes into the game.
From that point on, I seriously reckon the game would’ve taken a completely different path, with our blokes having a completely different mindset. But instead what we got, was a morale-sapping shanked shinning (yet again), that left the Pies supporters in raptures, his ex-teammates vengefully jubilant, the Carlton crowd thoroughly embarrassed & his teammates deflated.
For mine, it was the major turning point of the game & it was only a few minutes old.
I'm a big believer in incidents turning the game and yup, we were all over them up until that kick.
What we sorely need are players who do things to make things change. IMO, Buckley has this which is why I'm wrapped to see him getting games.
Sorry Brettie, I was in the Olympic stand on level 4, and although that was one thing that could have given us the momentum, it wasnt the only "momentum swinger". Rowe kicked blindly out of defense to our side on the wing prior to their first goal, and hit nothing but 3 Collingwood players and not a Carlton player in sight only a moment later, and sure enough on the Pies next forward entry, they scored.
It was too easy for them on Friday. FWIW, I think we would have faired better having to come from behind, rather than having gone up early as that would have lulled the Pies into the false sense of security that they had in the fourth quarter (except the game was actually over by then, rather than it being a false sense of security).
We kicked 8 goals in a quarter and still didnt get within 20 points of the lead. Speaks volumes. If we are that weak that a missed shot for goal is going is going to result in what should have been a 10 goal loss, we may as well pack up right now and sack the lot of them, as they are mental lightweights.
They went up a gear clearly after having conceded the first goal. Their attack on the contest went up. Ill remind you of what happened to them on ANZAC day for reference. Started softly against Essendon and then outcontested the Bombers for the next 3 quarters leaving them scoring only another goal or two for the rest of the match.
We were never really in it.
Sorry Brettie, I was in the Olympic stand on level 4, and although that was one thing that could have given us the momentum, it wasnt the only "momentum swinger". Rowe kicked blindly out of defense to our side on the wing prior to their first goal, and hit nothing but 3 Collingwood players and not a Carlton player in sight only a moment later, and sure enough on the Pies next forward entry, they scored.
That's what happens when the whole side is instructed to flood the defensive 50. Same thing happened to Jamo twice in the first quarter as well. Streaming out of defence and not a soul to kick to. Came straight back over his head with interest both times. Malthouse went out there to not lose by 100 points. He must inspire so much confidence in the group with his methods.
A big call, I know, but I blame Daisy for the loss – let me explain:..............
I bag Casboult for the same thing almost weekly on this forum and get lambasted for it, why?
They are classic coach killing moments(CKM), and teams often do not recover from them!
By my count this is one clear CKM for Daisy, but he has a long way to go to catch up with some others on the list!
Sorry Brettie, I was in the Olympic stand on level 4, and although that was one thing that could have given us the momentum, it wasnt the only "momentum swinger". Rowe kicked blindly out of defense to our side on the wing prior to their first goal, and hit nothing but 3 Collingwood players and not a Carlton player in sight only a moment later, and sure enough on the Pies next forward entry, they scored.
That's what happens when the whole side is instructed to flood the defensive 50. Same thing happened to Jamo twice in the first quarter as well. Streaming out of defence and not a soul to kick to. Came straight back over his head with interest both times. Malthouse went out there to not lose by 100 points. He must inspire so much confidence in the group with his methods.
Thats a lack of workrate to get open and stay open combined with a lack of composure with the footy in hand, combined with not enough run off half back.
Answer this question for me, if we are outnumbered in defense, how can we also be outnumbered in attack?
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Mate seriously, if the side is all inside the defensive 50 and win the ball, how is there any time to get into position to receive? If we're outnumbered in both, chances are the poor players are working their but off to get outside defensive 50 and create an option only to see the ball come back over their heads due to no option being available in the first place.
You'll just go with anything that absolves Malthouse of any fault, regardless of how stupid it is. Like I said, part of the problem.
A big call, I know, but I blame Daisy for the loss – let me explain:
Robbo kicks the first goal from a ripping grab....our 2nd shot at goal of the game not long after & Daisy lines up for what should’ve been a soda after a deserved free kick. It’s every Pies supporter’s nightmare seeing one of their once favourite sons lining up for goal in Navy Blue. The Pies fans predictably boo their lungs out, I look around me & in response, we in the Carlton members seating area (lower level of the GSS, with Daisy right in front of us) begin a counter-cheer to their boos, standing & clapping as Daisy lines up.....it was an awesome moment right there.
Kick the goal at that moment & can you imagine the lift in everything Navy Blue. Daisy would’ve felt a huge load off his shoulders from all the anticipation of this game, his teammates would’ve come from everywhere to joyously mob the hell out of him & the Carlton crowd would’ve gone boonta, as the Pies worst nightmare came true just minutes into the game.
From that point on, I seriously reckon the game would’ve taken a completely different path, with our blokes having a completely different mindset. But instead what we got, was a morale-sapping shanked shinning (yet again), that left the Pies supporters in raptures, his ex-teammates vengefully jubilant, the Carlton crowd thoroughly embarrassed & his teammates deflated.
For mine, it was the major turning point of the game & it was only a few minutes old.
Mate, if our blokes are that psychologically fragile / soft that one dreadful mistake from a senior bloke early in a game has them turn to jelly for the remainder of the game, then they should give the caper away right now.
I have seen Stevie J. make howlers early in a game but you won't see the Pussy Cats miss a beat. Ditto the Dawks... seen Franklin f*ck up big time early on, but it doesn't unsettle the rest of the side one iota. Disciplined sides soak up errors easily.
We have to realise that our issues go much, much deeper than one bad kick in a game... or even a few bad kicks in a game.
A big call, I know, but I blame Daisy for the loss – let me explain:
Robbo kicks the first goal from a ripping grab....our 2nd shot at goal of the game not long after & Daisy lines up for what should’ve been a soda after a deserved free kick. It’s every Pies supporter’s nightmare seeing one of their once favourite sons lining up for goal in Navy Blue. The Pies fans predictably boo their lungs out, I look around me & in response, we in the Carlton members seating area (lower level of the GSS, with Daisy right in front of us) begin a counter-cheer to their boos, standing & clapping as Daisy lines up.....it was an awesome moment right there.
Kick the goal at that moment & can you imagine the lift in everything Navy Blue. Daisy would’ve felt a huge load off his shoulders from all the anticipation of this game, his teammates would’ve come from everywhere to joyously mob the hell out of him & the Carlton crowd would’ve gone boonta, as the Pies worst nightmare came true just minutes into the game.
From that point on, I seriously reckon the game would’ve taken a completely different path, with our blokes having a completely different mindset. But instead what we got, was a morale-sapping shanked shinning (yet again), that left the Pies supporters in raptures, his ex-teammates vengefully jubilant, the Carlton crowd thoroughly embarrassed & his teammates deflated.
For mine, it was the major turning point of the game & it was only a few minutes old.
I blame Wayne Hughes, Rodgers, Swann and Mckay...its a crape list and as Malthouse said it needs work...
Nah mate. THE Problem (not part the entire) is that we sit there making excuses for players that wont do whats required.
THere are many reasons why they dont and one might be a lack of confidence in themselves to pull off this game plan, but I think they all believe it can work provided that everyone works together.
Now, if we are outnumbered in defense, and we are outnumbered in attack, a few things have occurred.
1. We have left blokes free in defense.
2. When we get the ball, we are not working hard enough to get out, and we are being outworked by our opposition defensively.
3. When we have the ball the get out of jail long ball option should at least get to a stoppage which means our forwards (collective) have either gone too deep with their opponents, or our opposition has outworked us defensively again to have our few forwards up the ground so hopelessly outnumbered that they cant even halve the contest.
Its not hard work Carrots. As for absolving Malthouse, I am not, I am simply observing a culture that has manifested itself in our playing group over the past 8 years, and recognising that these guys will not easily change their spots, and likewise the few that will do what is required are undone by many that wont and it becomes an endless spiral. Its why everything our club touches turns to crap unless the player has stronger mental faculties.
Sorry Brettie, I was in the Olympic stand on level 4, and although that was one thing that could have given us the momentum, it wasnt the only "momentum swinger". Rowe kicked blindly out of defense to our side on the wing prior to their first goal, and hit nothing but 3 Collingwood players and not a Carlton player in sight only a moment later, and sure enough on the Pies next forward entry, they scored.
That's what happens when the whole side is instructed to flood the defensive 50. Same thing happened to Jamo twice in the first quarter as well. Streaming out of defence and not a soul to kick to. Came straight back over his head with interest both times. Malthouse went out there to not lose by 100 points. He must inspire so much confidence in the group with his methods.
Pretty sure we had a game under Ratts where the same thing happened (maybe against Adelaide).. After the game Ratts said it wasn't the plan to have no forwards to kick to and that Fev and the like just kept being dragged up the ground too often by their opponents... I certainly wouldn't think it was the instructions to have everyone in the defensive 50 with no forwards to kick to.. Players have been known to not carry out instructions and to worry about their own game rather than team instructions.. How many times do we hear a losing coach sayng that their structures broke down etc etc.. Its no different.. I certainly don't think Micks game plan was to set out and send everyone into defense.. Anyhow, thats my opinion. Love the new Avatar BTW.. :)
My problem isn't what transpired, it's the fact it took malthouse all of three quarters to react. Last quarter we have players forward and hey presto! 8 goals. Would you believe it. And then he has the nerve to blame the players. Sorry but he loses me more and more how he does this. What happened to 'don't blame the players blame me'? Oh yeah, that's when he wanted brownie points. The guy spks sht, no doubt about it.
Nah mate. THE Problem (not part the entire) is that we sit there making excuses for players that wont do whats required.
You sit here making excuses for a coach giving us nothing on over a million a year. Anything but the coach. I can accept we were undermanned on Friday night. What I cannot accept is Malthouse's game plan being centred around not losing by too much.
My problem isn't what transpired, it's the fact it took malthouse all of three quarters to react. Last quarter we have players forward and hey presto! 8 goals. Would you believe it. And then he has the nerve to blame the players. Sorry but he loses me more and more how he does this. What happened to 'don't blame the players blame me'? Oh yeah, that's when he wanted brownie points. The guy spks sht, no doubt about it.
What I believe happened from watching the game live at the ground was at about 10 minutes into the 1st 1/4, the players went into their shells and lost all confidence.. I think a mind set crept in that they were going to get smacked.. Watching the players refuse to take first options, or hit up targets was clear as day from where i sat... By the time they decided to hit up a target, they had wasted so much time that in the end the option they should have taken straight away was now covered... Therefore we just bombed it to a contest or even straight to a collingwood player and had it come straight back over their head.. There was one of 2E (from memory) kicking out of the back pocket.. He clearly had a player 20m away by himself but it was in front of the collingwood goal.. He looked at it but didnt have the confidence to kick it to him. By the time he hesitated, this player was manned up.. Therefore he had to kick to a contest.
The reason I believe we finally kicked 8 in the last...... The pressure was off.. The game was won. We had nothing to lose.. This then allowed the players to take risks without being any further penallised, and boy did they take them. .They ran forward, they hit up first options, they took risks. If they took this attitude into the 1st 3/4, it may have worked. Maybe they did.. But it seems once the team makes a few mistakes, its ingrained in them to go back into their shells and they lose confidence. They then dont know whether they should run forward or stay with their man. This then creates a lack of run as they dont want to get burnt on a turnover. Plus I also think Collingwood were frantic in the 1st half.. That means they were not as frantic in the last and probably had the foot off the gas.. I dont think Mick at 3/4 time says "alright guys, forget about everything we'e practiced, just go out there and have fun and attack attack attack... :D
Did anyone else see the sickening fight near Jolimont station after the game.. 4 guys onto 1.. Not a cop in sight, yet there was a couple of thousand people waiting to get a train.. Absolute Madness.. The one place where yd think the cops should be in numbers ,and there wasn't one around for the whole time.. The crowd had to eventually break it up as this poor guy got the beating of his life...
@Jeffy38
My problem is that a) Mick isn't selling hope & b) I have no faith in him delivering a premiership anytime soon.
Did you see his message to members last night, i thought it was one of his better ones. I agree, a premiership is still several years away. No quick fixes.
I've moved a lot of the discussion regarding the general team performance into the Malthouse thread continue that discussion in there and just keep this one for the post match v Collingwood comments.
Thanks