Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Gointocarlton on April 08, 2014, 09:14:02 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on April 08, 2014, 11:03:58 am

Hate to say it but Fev wouldn't let anyone stand over our blokes and quite often deployed a few standover tactics himself. Love him or hate him, he was the heart of the side.

Fev and many before him P2C. Dylan's dad would have walked upto BJ and knocked him into the next week. We are timid and weak, Murphy is the perfect example. Its not his fault because he didn't make the decision to appoint him, but I think he is the possibly worst Captain in CFC history. Sadly, Judd aside, there isn't anyone in the current group that would deserve to tie the shoelaces of almost any of our past Captains. Sad really. Captains are picked by boards and marketing depts, they pick themselves. When Murphy got chested on the boundary line the other night by the young Essendon player, with no reaction, that said it all for me really.

Interesting that Dunstall singled out our timidness/meekness as one of the most surprising and really disappointing aspects of our players from Sunday night.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on April 07, 2014, 01:10:33 pm

Quote from: denimundies on April 07, 2014, 01:01:24 pm

I don't mean to offend anyone, particularly given its so soon after such a deflating loss, but how anyone  can come up with the conclusion that we have the personnel required to be a genuine finals contender, but for poor coaching, is misguided IMO. What we have is the core of side that has reached its potential, and for which that potential is now being shown up as not up to the level of the serious contenders. We can't keep rating our potential on the basis of what it was 3 years ago, That potential was simply that -potential, but its come to its fruition and its simply not adequate to compete with some sides. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

You dont offend me DU...been saying it for years that this list will take us nowhere....you have a crap list with a coach stuck in the past and who is teaching a gameplan that our lowly skilled players cannot play and you get results like last night.....

Mossie, Sheik and others are right ..we need to start fresh and wipe out the admin/board and playing list.....

While not a premiership list the list has got us to finals 4 of the last 5 years BUT it doesn't work hard enough. So in effect your correct in what you're saying. We do need to start fresh all the way from the top (eg Board) down to properly sort our culture.

Some blokes aren't good enough, game plan doesn't suit us but the playing list list probably needs a medium re-build more than a full  one. Enough to increasing the standard as well as an attitude change.

Quote from: PaulP on April 07, 2014, 12:34:31 pm

Quote from: TheSheik on April 07, 2014, 12:28:25 pm

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Starts with the coach

Thing is once you've had  a pile of  coaches and the  same things keep  happening you have to look elsewhere too.

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Last two years I've notice our on-field attitude change, despite the injuries of 2012. Seems we  thought we were going to "make it" after a great 2011 where we should've made the PF. Players them tend to "go through the motions" rather than work hard to achieve that next level. We made finals without a  great attitude all year, and even won a final, just to show the side at least has  talent. "Too easy" obviously so why work hard. Hence the  crap thus far.. It's a player problem, not a coach. We change the  coach again but players attitude is the same. It's what Richmond have been through for 30 years.

What MM has to work out that his Collingwood game plan doesn't work here. Often he has changed it mid-stream only for us to come from the clouds and win or nearly win. Surely there's a message. If he's flexible enough to do that during a game when desperate then surely it's fkn time to be flexible enough to do it from the start. It's not that  hard to work out. I know we had to improve defensively as we tended to be a one way side, but you do that within our own strength and abilities, not with something that doesn't suit.

For the first time we may have a decent youth, albeit a couple still  need to be seen at  senior level although looking promising, so it might be time to use them a number of times this season and refresh the list. Going to have to move on the one way non-working types regardless of ability. We need to so that culture.

Tuohy just cracked one of the Essendon players in the chest with a big right jab, about time we showed some fight !!

To think I could of been watching the final episode of Fat Tony & Co rather than this contemptable poop !!