Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on April 07, 2014, 07:33:00 am

Crippled by injury. What Malthouse's excuse?

We were discussing this last night at the game.....Ratten got ultimately judged in a season whereby injuries hurt us more than any other in the past 10 years & an obsession by Sticks & Swann to get 'their man' (i.e. Malthouse, who was now very much available), which had always been Pratt's wish.

The Malthouse gameplan is to hug the boundary, then bomb into the forward line or kick it into the pockets. Who else in the AFL currently employs this gameplan? "But it worked at Collingwood....." - it did, 'cos like Pagan @ North, he was able to develop this gameplan with a young list.....in other words, their respective lists developed with their gameplan - a largely established list like ours doesn't have that luxury & just like the Pagan gameplan, the MM blueprint isn't suited to our playing group and the blueprint itself is now waaaaaaay outdated as the younger, more progressive coaches employ new ideas, new tactics, new gameplans which have superseded MM's once-upon-a-time recipe for success.

Our style looks stale, I fcking hate watching it. The forward line has been an unmitigated mess this year & if Waite & Casboult aren't the worst set shots for goal in the AFL, I'd like to know who is. What's happened to Tuohy? The guy is a mess.....I counted 7 goals kicked on him last night by his various opponents as MM tried to hide him wherever he could.....7 fcking goals!!! Are you kidding me!?

Like it or not, MM will be there this year & next at the very least (we don't have the $$$ to pay out this guy's contract!!!) & to his credit, he did cull a fair few who's heads we'd been calling for for a while and sounds like come season's end we'll see much of the same.....but of course, to get rid of so many, you've got to develop/draft/trade for adequate replacements and of course hit FA hard....but it's hard to make a pitch to someone like say James Frawley, when you throw up performances such as last night & can't guarantee the likes of Gibbs will still be around.

*sigh*......

Last two years I've notice our on-field attitude change, despite the injuries of 2012. Seems we  thought we were going to "make it" after a great 2011 where we should've made the PF. Players them tend to "go through the motions" rather than work hard to achieve that next level. We made finals without a  great attitude all year, and even won a final, just to show the side at least has  talent. "Too easy" obviously so why work hard. Hence the  crap thus far.. It's a player problem, not a coach. We change the  coach again but players attitude is the same. It's what Richmond have been through for 30 years.

What MM has to work out that his Collingwood game plan doesn't work here. Often he has changed it mid-stream only for us to come from the clouds and win or nearly win. Surely there's a message. If he's flexible enough to do that during a game when desperate then surely it's fkn time to be flexible enough to do it from the start. It's not that  hard to work out. I know we had to improve defensively as we tended to be a one way side, but you do that within our own strength and abilities, not with something that doesn't suit.

For the first time we may have a decent youth, albeit a couple still  need to be seen at  senior level although looking promising, so it might be time to use them a number of times this season and refresh the list. Going to have to move on the one way non-working types regardless of ability. We need to so that culture.

At least Ratten had a style. There was no better sight in football than our guys breaking from Half back, slicing through the corridor to an open forward line, running into open goal. Sure it failed when teams put the pressure on but it was a gameplan.

I never liked the Coaching appointment, but was willing to give it a chance. Malthouse, the defensive Genius, teams supposedly built on hard uncompromising football, should be able to come in and "tweak" our frontrunning gameplan, and teacht eh players to run both ways and still play with there natural freedom and spirit...

Instead i saw players last night, stop, prop, kick backwards, sideways and long to nothing. Then ont he way back, there were guys pointing fingers, not tracking men, just no obvious idea of where to be or what to do.

He has broken down the good bits of the Ratten era and completely destroyed all confidence from those players who take the game on. at least we are better defensively though?

Points against: 356 (17th in the comp)

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Quote from: TheSheik – on April 07, 2014, 12:28:25 pm

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Starts with the coach

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Quote from: TheSheik – on April 07, 2014, 12:28:25 pm

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Starts with the coach

Quote from: PaulP – on April 07, 2014, 12:34:31 pm

Quote from: TheSheik – on April 07, 2014, 12:28:25 pm

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Starts with the coach

Thing is once you've had  a pile of  coaches and the  same things keep  happening you have to look elsewhere too.

Quote from: PaulP – on April 07, 2014, 12:34:31 pm

Quote from: TheSheik – on April 07, 2014, 12:28:25 pm

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Starts with the coach

Thing is once you've had  a pile of  coaches and the  same things keep  happening you have to look elsewhere too.

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Quote from: laj – on April 07, 2014, 12:40:03 pm

Quote from: PaulP – on April 07, 2014, 12:34:31 pm

Quote from: TheSheik – on April 07, 2014, 12:28:25 pm

It's completely unacceptable that when one of our players gets biffed, bumped or manhandled that no-one else in the team runs in a flies the flag for them.

In every sport I've played, you rely on your teammates covering your back and you assure them that you have theirs, at Carlton, it's every man for himself and the opposition clubs know it too !!

Starts with the coach

Thing is once you've had  a pile of  coaches and the  same things keep  happening you have to look elsewhere too.

Jim,

that may well be true, but if so, why sack the coach ? Why not sack the players etc who may be the central cause of the bad culture ? Why bring in a new coach and pay him big $$$$$$$$ when it's a non-coach problem ?

I don't mean to offend anyone, particularly given its so soon after such a deflating loss, but how anyone  can come up with the conclusion that we have the personnel required to be a genuine finals contender, but for poor coaching, is misguided IMO. What we have is the core of side that has reached its potential, and for which that potential is now being shown up as not up to the level of the serious contenders. We can't keep rating our potential on the basis of what it was 3 years ago, That potential was simply that -potential, but its come to its fruition and its simply not adequate to compete with some sides. Doesn't matter who the coach is.