Next Sunday at Etihad.
Not likely to be good for us after last night, but at the moment we have holes in our line-up that we can't easily cover.
However, I would really like to pound these posing pretenders.
All our injured players are talls....I understand about questions about depth but having five talls out will hurt any club...its like North being without Goldstein and Waite and their back ups.
We have some youngsters like Jaksch coming through and should be given a run if Jack Silvagni shines today he should also be given a run.
Charlie Curnow Glandular Fever Indefinite
Harry McKay Back 5 weeks
Levi Casboult Knee 6-8 weeks
Matthew Kreuzer Knee 2-4 weeks
Andrew Phillips Hamstring 2 weeks
Looks like we get another team with a point to prove after a mediocre performance the week before ::)
......and should be given a run if Jack Silvagni shines today he should also be given a run.
Go down and look at the NBs and hopefully you'll see that Jack Silvagni is an excellent
work in progress. We need to monitor Weitering very, very carefully over the next 13 weeks to ensure he is eased into the rigors. Jack is nowhere Weitering in development. I'd bring in Wood to allow Gorringe to play the Casbout role and put Rowe down back and flick Everitt, he doesn't fit Bolton's prototype.
If theyre good enough to play age shouldn't matter
Go down and look at the NBs and hopefully you'll see that Jack Silvagni is an excellent work in progress. We need to monitor Weitering very, very carefully over the next 13 weeks to ensure he is eased into the rigors. Jack is nowhere Weitering in development. I'd bring in Wood to allow Gorringe to play the Casbout role and put Rowe down back and flick Everitt, he doesn't fit Bolton's prototype.
I think I know why GC let Gorringe go, he is too timid. For a 200cm and 100kg big man, he doesnt impose himself one iota. I saw this during the NAB games, nothing has changed.
Go down and look at the NBs and hopefully you'll see that Jack Silvagni is an excellent work in progress. We need to monitor Weitering very, very carefully over the next 13 weeks to ensure he is eased into the rigors. Jack is nowhere Weitering in development. I'd bring in Wood to allow Gorringe to play the Casbout role and put Rowe down back and flick Everitt, he doesn't fit Bolton's prototype.
SOSOS kicked 3, might be playing soon. Jaksch will surely come in after 4 goals today. That's 12 for the season including games of 3,3 and 4, while playing both some time, and other entire games, in defence. Last week 20 touches and 6 marks in defence, this week 4 goals. Not much more he can do. Gorringe will have to be 2nd ruck so Rowe can go back. We have no-one else to play the Casboult role so Gorringe will have to play 2nd ruck. Jaksch and Jones the 2 key forwards, Wood and Gorringe the 2 ruckman.
You'd drop Walker before Everitt. Everitt is generally playing too badly and hitting the scoreboard. Before last night kicked 5 goals in the previous 2 games. Not to mention 31 goals last year. We mightn't like some of the stuff he does but can't argue that he does contribute. He'll be looking more over his shoulder when we're ready to pick Silvagni. Until then he'll be playing.
If theyre good enough to play age shouldn't matter
Exactly. If they are playing well, straight in like anyone else. They're performing against men, not under 18s. Silvagni isn't far away. A couple more weeks to get his match fitness up.
I think I know why GC let Gorringe go, he is too timid. For a 200cm and 100kg big man, he doesnt impose himself one iota.
He has the look of a bloke that lacks self-belief...if anyone can get the best out of him it will be someone like Bolton.
I wouldn't wipe him yet.
He has the size, and a bit of athleticism.
I'd like to see how he goes when he's not shouldering a big burden like last night.
Gorringe was trained/recruited as a potential key forward.
Not sure how much he has played there in the 2's, but thats where he played in the pre-season.
In any event, its a big step up from either not rucking much at all in the VFL and/or rucking against VFL quality ruckman and jumping up to the 1's to tae on the best ruckmen in the land in your first ever game for your new club.
Give the guy a break.
My only change would be to drop White and bring in Jaksch. Play Rowe down back where he's comfortable and only has to deal with his man. Get Jones or Jaksch to pinch hit for Gorringe.
In Wood, Jaksch, Graham
Out Cripps(rested), Everitt, Walker
Cant allow Harry Taylor, Henderson and Lonergan to do what the Nth tall backs did and take uncontested marks especially when we go the long bomb......we need three talls down in the front half ie Jones, Jaksch and Gorringe to compete and give our crumbers some chance...
White and Plowman did ok down back on Petrie, Waite, Brown..I'd be leaving White in....
Someone has to do a better job on Motlop than we did on Lindsay Thomas and Harvey...
I'm worried about Cripps' longevity. Rest him.
Danger, the Ducker and the Diver will have field days vs us next week, expecting 15 goal loss. Cripps being absent won't matter squat.
Oh and expect that mob of posers to be talked about re the flag again next week... Don't you have to beat decent sides to be a contender?
I think I know why GC let Gorringe go, he is too timid. For a 200cm and 100kg big man, he doesnt impose himself one iota. I saw this during the NAB games, nothing has changed.
Same height as Goldstein but looked 20kg lighter and it was man vs boy stuff......I thought Gorringe got given a rough deal by Bolton with no Wood in the team and he showed some ability albeit
not in the ruck..lets play him down forward to replace the Boult and just give him some light ruck duties..
In Wood, Jaksch, Graham
Out Cripps(rested), Everitt, Walker
Cant allow Harry Taylor, Henderson and Lonergan to do what the Nth tall backs did and take uncontested marks especially when we go the long bomb......we need three talls down in the front half ie Jones, Jaksch and Gorringe to compete and give our crumbers some chance...
White and Plowman did ok down back on Petrie, Waite, Brown..I'd be leaving White in....
Someone has to do a better job on Motlop than we did on Lindsay Thomas and Harvey...
Everitt was awful last night but I'd still play him because he can kick three or four.
He has the look of a bloke that lacks self-belief...if anyone can get the best out of him it will be someone like Bolton.
I wouldn't wipe him yet.
He has the size, and a bit of athleticism.
I'd like to see how he goes when he's not shouldering a big burden like last night.
Fair enough, could he play a high fwd/big mid role I wonder? Let him run up and down the wing abit if he has such a big tank.
Agree with giving Cripps a rest. But if he is good to play he should play Ed Curnow wasn't much chop last night Crippa needs him abit.
You don't drop Everitt again as you risk blowing his trade value.
Everitt has no trade value, we are his last club
He has a future in AFL is a good size and a straight kick but his Carlton career is over and buyers will want him.
From yesterday's game I would seriously consider dropping Walker. He is nowhere near his best at the moment and really needs some form and confidence. he isn't going to get it in the seniors, but some time in the middle at VFL level might be useful.
I think Everitt will probably keep his spot, although whether he deserves it questionable.
Lamb was very much down and it was suggested that he was injured at one point. How fit he is must be a question. He has been quite good until this week. But we do need a small forward who can kick a goal, and not many have come from his boot yet.
Our key forwards, on the other hand, need an overhaul. Jaksch may have done enough to get a recall, but it is no certainty. We cannot play all of Gorringe, Jaksch and Jones. Jones did get a couple of goals, but he hasn't impressed with his off the ball work as much in the last 2 weeks. Time to give him a 'rest'?
I am tempted to play Gorringe in a non-traditional role, but it may take a couple of weeks to find some real form after getting smashed like he did.
I still would like Tuohy to play a little further up the ground, but that doesn't appear very likely.
I guess Wood has to come in, but he hasn't set the world o fire this year. He used to take marks around the ground. That appears to have disappeared from his game. Much to our disservice.
You don't drop Everitt again as you risk blowing his trade value.
I doubt whether we'll be inundated with offers for Dre. On the other side of the coin, I don't really see why folk are so down on him.
I doubt whether we'll be inundated with offers for Dre. On the other side of the coin, I don't really see why folk are so down on him.
indeed it's not his job to win the ball at stoppages!
Everitt is Everitt, he does what he does and he won't fundamentally change the way he plays at this stage of his career IMO. He can fill a useful role in our team in that when he gets the ball in kickable positions he is pretty reliable in his conversion efforts, an area in which we are not exactly flush with talent. He is obviously playing his defined role well enough and I would be very surprised if he were to be dropped.
Having said that he may well be tradeable should the right deal come along but in the meantime I guess he continues to play.
Everitt is Everitt, he does what he does and he won't fundamentally change the way he plays at this stage of his career IMO. He can fill a useful role in our team in that when he gets the ball in kickable positions he is pretty reliable in his conversion efforts, an area in which we are not exactly flush with talent. He is obviously playing his defined role well enough and I would be very surprised if he were to be dropped.
Having said that he may well be tradeable should the right deal come along but in the meantime I guess he continues to play.
Eventually he'll be phased out as SOSOS and C.Curnow develop but in the meantime he's doing a job and hitting the scoreboard even if some of his stuff makes us scream.
Did Kenny Everitt play last weekend? :o ;)
Barring a miracle, common sense would dictate that we are going to get smashed by Geelong next Sunday.
We just don't have the personnel to take them on. Levi, the tractor and Phillips are huge losses. Harry was going to be a key forward, and Charlie was just getting into the swing of things when struck down with GF. I hope that history can repeat itself in Charlies case. It was Steven Silvagni who suffered from GF at an early stage in his career, in his second year from memory,and turned out to be a champion.
I'll be going to the match and will be looking for Everitt to actually make an appearance, Rowe, to break into a sweat, Lamb to put in for four quarters, Sumner to actually concentrate when shooting for goal from 40 out directly in front, and to, once again, concentrate so that he can take a mark from a pass he has received when he is on his own in the back line, instead of dropping it. Armfield, actually doing something constructive instead of running around like a headless chook, and dropping a perfect hand pass to him, resulting in a goal to the opposition, Walker improving if that is at all possible at his age, Gorringe to show some strength and determination, Liam Jones actually take a pack mark, and Bolts giving Weitereing a quarter or two in the forward line, among other things.
Not relevant to the game but some good news
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-2016-carltons-charlie-curnow-set-to-resume-running-20160523-gp1cd6.html
It's amazing how quiet an 8 day break makes the lead-up to a game.
It's like the season is over! :o
Did Kenny Everitt play last weekend? :o ;)
Yep, and finished the game without one broken finger-nail though the wind did play havoc with his hair.
Yep, and finished the game without one broken finger-nail though the wind did play havoc with his hair.
But all done in the best paaaarssible taste!
Another reason as to why Cam Wood should be selected this week. The single most well worth it 50m penalty ever...lol.
Marvellous effort that, really schooper stuff.....
But all done in the best paaaarssible taste!
What a Cunning Stunt
Personnel aside, when we won four games in a row, the common themes were:
1. We locked the ball in our fwd line at all costs consistently.
2. We set up a zone that consisted of a "wall" which was very difficult to penetrate
3. We got the ball into the fwd line fast and often.
We didnt do 1 and 2 well at all (from what I could tell) against Norf. Rectify this and we are a chance every week.
He has a future in AFL is a good size and a straight kick but his Carlton career is over and buyers will want him.
Send him to GWS.
He can make cameo performances there as a 3rd tall, utility type that allows the Giants stars to be the focal point, yet reap the rewards.
Could help us with getting a few of their boys over here.
I've a feeling Carlton will be Everitt's last AFL club.
Clubs will be well aware of his strengths and weaknesses.
As a trade option I just cant see a club that would be prepared to offer us more than he's worth to us.
Send him to GWS.
He can make cameo performances there as a 3rd tall, utility type that allows the Giants stars to be the focal point, yet reap the rewards.
Could help us with getting a few of their boys over here.
\Nice one, I presume that was sarcasm
Send him to GWS.
I mentioned a couple of months ago that his old coach who is now up north is keen to reunite.
I mentioned a couple of months ago that his old coach who is now up north is keen to reunite.
For how much longer remains to be seen....the club that is ????
Part of a Prestia deal?
I've a feeling Carlton will be Everitt's last AFL club.
Clubs will be well aware of his strengths and weaknesses.
As a trade option I just cant see a club that would be prepared to offer us more than he's worth to us.
I think that's right Lods.
The other factor is that it appears that Bolton's opinion of Everitt is very different to that of some supporters :)
What a Cunning Stunt
I suspect he's a country member... (and the response is...)
(that'll test your Kenny Everett memory - classic comment from Kenny)...
So I'm going along on Sunday which means we will probably get well and truly flogged. But here's hoping we break my hoodoo, make a good fist of it, put on a show and send me home fully loaded and happy.
Go Blues.
If we put plenty of pressure on the Cats and exploit their slow ball movement we have a slim hope. We, on the other hand, need to move the ball quickly and accurately.
I suspect he's a country member... (and the response is...)
(that'll test your Kenny Everett memory - classic comment from Kenny)...
I remember.
So I'm going along on Sunday which means we will probably get well and truly flogged. But here's hoping we break my hoodoo, make a good fist of it, put on a show and send me home fully loaded and happy.
Go Blues.
I think you may be right about getting a touch-up from the Cats. They were embarrassed last week by the Pies and it is hard to see them not coming out looking for some revenge.
I think you may be right about getting a touch-up from the Cats. They were embarrassed last week by the Pies and it is hard to see them not coming out looking for some revenge.
As will we.
Boys were on six day break v 7 day break for kangas - kangas on top not disgraced which is good.
I think we will give the cats a scare
Boys were on six day break v 7 day break for kangas - kangas on top not disgraced which is good.
I think we will give the cats a scare
With our Chewbacca masks?????
I remember.
Hahahahaha.... what a classic.
Yep, that's it. Another Kenny fan I see...
We'll get a good old spanking unfortunately, the Cats were caught napping last week almost played annoyed when they woke up to the Pies audacity.
Cats are an awesome team and will come out snarling, hope the Mighty Baggers put up a committed and dure effort.
Do us proud, Go Blues
f we go in fully fired up I reckon we could see a few fireworks in this game!
Selwood and Dangerman both down last week.....dont see that happening again, be another hard day at the office vs the rebounding Cats but its about the young blokes who stand up under pressure and perform so best not to get to hung up on the result.
As I said previously I would play the well performing NB's Nick Graham and rest Cripps ...lets see if NG can get 30 possies vs some of the best mids in the comp and get some of those tackling numbers he has in the NB's..
Wood in also and I'd be keen to give a 1st gamer a taste like DVR, Foster, or maybe Smith gets another chance......
I remember.
I think it was, "I'll Remember"
last week gorringe v goldy sunday could be jakasch v harry t, if we can get some leading fwds and not turn it over in our foward line is a great start must put pressure on there ball carriers they might be flat 2 weeks in a row
Cats have a lazy forward line that Docherty, Byrne and Simmo might exploit.
Cats have a lazy forward line that Docherty, Byrne and Simmo might exploit.
Prof...I thought North exposed our lazy small defenders last week....they got plenty of the ball but didnt do too much defending on Thomas, Harvey etc....
Motlop will kick a bag as he is twice the player Lindsay Thomas is....their resting onballers like Duncan, Caddy, Guthrie also kick goals so we will need to be more
vigilant on manning up players than we were vs Nth...
Prof...I thought North exposed our lazy small defenders last week....they got plenty of the ball but didnt do too much defending on Thomas, Harvey etc....
Motlop will kick a bag as he is twice the player Lindsay Thomas is....their resting onballers like Duncan, Caddy, Guthrie also kick goals so we will need to be more
vigilant on manning up players than we were vs Nth...
Disagree a little.
Thomas twice got easy leads straight from Centre Clearances. Clean quick ball like that is impossible to stop and came down to our midfielders.
Harvey pushed off through the middle for his goals and again our smaller defenders were not to blame.
Our mids got killed both sides of the ball last Saturday and that was the difference.
North's mids showed a lot more skills than ours and were able to win the ball and move it forward very quickly and with precision. We had few answers to this from our mids. Geelong tend to build a lot slower but do have skills and precision so we still may struggle We must pressure them and tackle hard to have any hope.
See your point EB but none of Hawkins, Kersten or Motlop run both ways. Their midfield is very good but shallow as well. I can't see us winning as we won't kick enough goals but if we had a decent ruck to give us first use we could give them a scare.
Selection was total crap last week. Sorry to Bolton, etc. but he's not a sacred cow and that was a disaster.
Will Gorringe get a game this weekend after 7 hitouts last week?
White was hopeless.
Rowe to forward did not work at all and weakened our defense.
Weitering was well off his best but was still ok. Did he need a game in the 2s?
Wood to play ruck, Jaksch to play key forward, Rowe back and anyone you want to replace White - Graham, Tutt.... what about SOSOS?
If Jaksch is left out again I will definitely spew up. Such an important player - to not even give him a crack in 9 rounds is - again - another real black mark on Bolton in my view. Happy to rush in Everitt and leave him in despite a series of pathetic / non-team oriented incidents yet giving Jaksh a crack is somehow unreasonable. Give me a spell.
Selection was total crap last week. Sorry to Bolton, etc. but he's not a sacred cow and that was a disaster.
Will Gorringe get a game this weekend after 7 hitouts last week?
White was hopeless.
Rowe to forward did not work at all and weakened our defense.
Weitering was well off his best but was still ok. Did he need a game in the 2s?
Wood to play ruck, Jaksch to play key forward, Rowe back and anyone you want to replace White - Graham, Tutt.... what about SOSOS?
If Jaksch is left out again I will definitely spew up. Such an important player - to not even give him a crack in 9 rounds is - again - another real black mark on Bolton in my view. Happy to rush in Everitt and leave him in despite a series of pathetic / non-team oriented incidents yet giving Jaksh a crack is somehow unreasonable. Give me a spell.
If SOSOS gets a game I'll eat my jocks.
Selection was total crap last week. Sorry to Bolton, etc. but he's not a sacred cow and that was a disaster.
Will Gorringe get a game this weekend after 7 hitouts last week?
White was hopeless.
Rowe to forward did not work at all and weakened our defense.
Weitering was well off his best but was still ok. Did he need a game in the 2s?
Wood to play ruck, Jaksch to play key forward, Rowe back and anyone you want to replace White - Graham, Tutt.... what about SOSOS?
If Jaksch is left out again I will definitely spew up. Such an important player - to not even give him a crack in 9 rounds is - again - another real black mark on Bolton in my view. Happy to rush in Everitt and leave him in despite a series of pathetic / non-team oriented incidents yet giving Jaksh a crack is somehow unreasonable. Give me a spell.
Someone's been drinking early.
Selection was total crap last week. Sorry to Bolton, etc. but he's not a sacred cow and that was a disaster.
Will Gorringe get a game this weekend after 7 hitouts last week?
White was hopeless.
Rowe to forward did not work at all and weakened our defense.
Weitering was well off his best but was still ok. Did he need a game in the 2s?
Wood to play ruck, Jaksch to play key forward, Rowe back and anyone you want to replace White - Graham, Tutt.... what about SOSOS?
If Jaksch is left out again I will definitely spew up. Such an important player - to not even give him a crack in 9 rounds is - again - another real black mark on Bolton in my view. Happy to rush in Everitt and leave him in despite a series of pathetic / non-team oriented incidents yet giving Jaksh a crack is somehow unreasonable. Give me a spell.
A lot of commentators had White in their best players for the shut down job he did on Petrie ???
Jaksch hasn't played because he hasn't shown enough in the NBs, although his form in their last game was pretty good. Whether it's at the level the Match Committee is looking for will determine whether he is in the frame for a spot in the 22 but Fraser's assessment is pretty positive.
“I thought he was terrific, he’s been fairly consistent with us but we’re trying to get his game to the next level,” Fraser said on Jaksch.
“He played a role for us up forward today and went back and supported in defence at times - he keeps growing, he’s started to assume a leadership role with these younger players which is pleasing.”
Interesting inclusions: Jaksch, Casboult and Kreuzer :o
Very interesting? Someone give them the magic pill?
Interesting inclusions: Jaksch, Casboult and Kreuzer :o
What!!!! Meat and Tractor named!!!
Both named on the bench, so both highly unlikely to play.
Sunday game, so can change the emergencies before then without much of an issue.
Is the club just trying to get people interested in the match in the hope more turnup??
No idea whther they trained or match committee decided based on their age 70-80% fit will be good enough to take the risk we will find out tomorrow whether they are included.
Mckay injury report said Casboult was 3 weeks away.. I questioned on twitter with no response, saying it was originally 6-8 so now to 3...
Surely they wont play!
"Arise young Levi and Kreuz, pick up thy beds and walk!"
WTF?
Mckay injury report said Casboult was 3 weeks away.. I questioned on twitter with no response, saying it was originally 6-8 so now to 3...
Surely they wont play!
Weitering was 1-2 weeks away and played.
However, i doubt either of these will play
“Kreuzer has improved after the surgery quicker than expected and he had a follow-up meeting with the surgeon today,” McKay said.
“The surgeon says structurally his knee is sound, so it will be a matter of whether he can get through training over the coming days before we can consider him for selection.
“In terms of Levi, his initial MRI scan revealed a small hairline fracture to the top of his tibia, but a more recent CT scan revealed it’s actually a depression in his tibia which is a lot less severe.
“It has improved an enormous amount over the last few days.
“He will still require a thorough test tomorrow before we can rule him in or out.”
It all sounds perfectly reasonable but I'd be very surprised if both play on Sunday.
Interesting inclusions: Jaksch, Casboult and Kreuzer :o
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 20. Lachie Plowman 15. Sam Docherty
Half-backs 42. Zach Tuohy 23. Jacob Weitering 39. Dale Thomas
Centreline 19. Liam Sumner 4. Bryce Gibbs 27. Dennis Armfield
Half-forwards 33. Andrejs Everitt 1. Andrew Walker 35. Ed Curnow
Forwards 46. Matthew Wright 43. Simon White 13. Jed Lamb
Followers 17. Sam Rowe 9. Patrick Cripps 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange (from): 11. Sam Kerridge 14. Liam Jones 37. Daniel Gorringe
38. Ciaran Byrne 18. Kristian Jaksch 41. Levi Casboult
8. Matthew Kreuzer
In: Kreuzer, Casboult, Jaksch
Given the circumstances someone might come out of the actual 18, which never happens for Sunday games bar injuries, if Kreuzer and Casboult are fit. You'd think, from the bench, Kerridge and Byrne will play, as would a fit Kreuzer and Casboult together with with Jones or Jaksch, the latter if I had the choice.
The only likely change, if any, will be Jaksch for Gorringe IMO. The rest is probably just a smoke screen.
The only likely change, if any, will be Jaksch for Gorringe IMO. The rest is probably just a smoke screen.
I'm not sure it's that big a game to be letting go smokescreens. Beside, if that's the only change, then we have no ruckman.
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 20. Lachie Plowman 15. Sam Docherty
Half-backs 42. Zach Tuohy 23. Jacob Weitering 39. Dale Thomas
Centreline 19. Liam Sumner 4. Bryce Gibbs 27. Dennis Armfield
Half-forwards 33. Andrejs Everitt 1. Andrew Walker 35. Ed Curnow
Forwards 46. Matthew Wright 43. Simon White 13. Jed Lamb
Followers 17. Sam Rowe 9. Patrick Cripps 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange (from): 11. Sam Kerridge 14. Liam Jones 37. Daniel Gorringe
38. Ciaran Byrne 18. Kristian Jaksch 41. Levi Casboult
8. Matthew Kreuzer
In: Kreuzer, Casboult, Jaksch
Given the circumstances someone might come out of the actual 18, which never happens for Sunday games bar injuries, if Kreuzer and Casboult are fit. You'd think, from the bench, Kerridge and Byrne will play, as would a fit Kreuzer and Casboult together with with Jones or Jaksch, the latter if I had the choice.
Walker at CHF
White at FF
Rowe in the ruck
At least one of Gorringe, Kreuzer and Casboult will play so the above doesn't happen.
If it is only 1, then at least 1 of Jones/Jaksch is a certainty if not both.
If both Kreuzer and Casboult come up, we will probably lose at least 1 of Jones, Walker, Everitt from our side last week.
One thing for sure is...it will make Geelongs match committee work overtime in prepping for matchups this week.
Jaksch for Jones?
The only likely change, if any, will be Jaksch for Gorringe IMO. The rest is probably just a smoke screen.
Jaksch in the ruck Cookie? I don't think so. Using Rowe as our only ruckman would be a recipe for disaster (should that be 'greater disaster').
Playing Jaksch gives us the ability to send Rowe back to defence. Jaksch can also spell Rowe down back when Gorringe needs a spell.
Of the two 'wounded warriors', I suspect that Kreuzer is more likely to play. If he does, Gorringe could miss out.
In: Kreuzer, Casboult, Jaksch
Are the club playing 'ducks & drakes' with this stuff ??
Are the club playing 'ducks & drakes' with this stuff ??
Yeah I call BS
Both named on the bench, so both highly unlikely to play.
Sunday game, so can change the emergencies before then without much of an issue.
Is the club just trying to get people interested in the match in the hope more turnup??
Hard deck, would doubt very much they will play given their injuries.
= no change.
Carlton
B: Kade Simpson, Lachie Plowman, Sam Docherty.
HB: Zach Tuohy, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas.
C: Liam Sumner, Bryce Gibbs, Dennis Armfield.
HF: Andrejs Everitt, Andrew Walker, Ed Curnow.
F: Matthew Wright, Simon White, Jed Lamb.
Foll: Sam Rowe, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
Int: Sam Kerridge, Liam Jones, Daniel Gorringe, Ciaran Byrne, Kristian Jaksch, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer (Three to be omitted)
I think a few people have been smoking illegal substances: I copied this because I didn't believe what I saw. And yet, it is here, for everyone to see. Amazing? Didn't Casboult break a leg? I seem to recall he did. Didn't Kreuzer have his meniscus trimmed? Yes he did, a few days before I did. I got off crutches today, and he ready to play senior footy?
I thought they might rest Cripps and maybe Weitering, who obviously were not 100% fit last week. That they are both playing is a mild surprise, but nothing compared to the other 2.
I am surprised that Walker survived. I would have dropped him, Indigenous Round or not. He hasn't been contributing enough.
I know that the positions named are always speculative, to say the least. However, Rowe as the primary ruckman? White as FF? No Wood? No Graham?
I look on in wonder. And seriously, I hope we do not play unfit players: that is damn stupid. If they don't come up, we lose flexibility on the day and they miss a lot more time than they would have otherwise.
Geelong Cats
B: Lachie Henderson, Tom Lonergan, Andrew Mackie.
HB: Corey Enright, Harry Taylor, Tom Ruggles.
C: Mark Blicavs, Joel Selwood, Steven Motlop.
HF: Shane Kersten, Zac Smith, Mitch Duncan.
F: Jimmy Bartel, Tom Hawkins, Josh Caddy.
Foll: Rhys Stanley, Cameron Guthrie, Patrick Dangerfield.
Int: Jed Bews, Cory Gregson, George Horlin-Smith, Jake Kolodjashnij, Darcy Lang, Jordan Murdoch, Billie Smedts (Three to be omitted)
I look at Geelong's structure, and our team is just not prepared for their possible match-ups. Not that I expect Geelong to line up as named, but their structures are relatively well known. Who are their opponents?
Things just don't match up.
Maybe the Match Committee knows a lot more than I do: it is possible. But our team does not make sense.
Carlton
B: Kade Simpson, Lachie Plowman, Sam Docherty.
HB: Zach Tuohy, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas.
C: Liam Sumner, Bryce Gibbs, Dennis Armfield.
HF: Andrejs Everitt, Andrew Walker, Ed Curnow.
F: Matthew Wright, Simon White, Jed Lamb.
Foll: Sam Rowe, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
Int: Sam Kerridge, Liam Jones, Daniel Gorringe, Ciaran Byrne, Kristian Jaksch, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kreuzer (Three to be omitted)
I think a few people have been smoking illegal substances: I copied this because I didn't believe what I saw. And yet, it is here, for everyone to see. Amazing? Didn't Casboult break a leg? I seem to recall he did. Didn't Kreuzer have his meniscus trimmed? Yes he did, a few days before I did. I got off crutches today, and he ready to play senior footy?
I thought they might rest Cripps and maybe Weitering, who obviously were not 100% fit last week. That they are both playing is a mild surprise, but nothing compared to the other 2.
I am surprised that Walker survived. I would have dropped him, Indigenous Round or not. He hasn't been contributing enough.
I know that the positions named are always speculative, to say the least. However, Rowe as the primary ruckman? White as FF? No Wood? No Graham?
I look on in wonder. And seriously, I hope we do not play unfit players: that is damn stupid. If they don't come up, we lose flexibility on the day and they miss a lot more time than they would have otherwise.
Geelong Cats
B: Lachie Henderson, Tom Lonergan, Andrew Mackie.
HB: Corey Enright, Harry Taylor, Tom Ruggles.
C: Mark Blicavs, Joel Selwood, Steven Motlop.
HF: Shane Kersten, Zac Smith, Mitch Duncan.
F: Jimmy Bartel, Tom Hawkins, Josh Caddy.
Foll: Rhys Stanley, Cameron Guthrie, Patrick Dangerfield.
Int: Jed Bews, Cory Gregson, George Horlin-Smith, Jake Kolodjashnij, Darcy Lang, Jordan Murdoch, Billie Smedts (Three to be omitted)
I look at Geelong's structure, and our team is just not prepared for their possible match-ups. Not that I expect Geelong to line up as named, but their structures are relatively well known. Who are their opponents?
Things just don't match up.
Maybe the Match Committee knows a lot more than I do: it is possible. But our team does not make sense.
I doubt they had any ins other than KJ. The fact Kruze and Cas have been named on an extended bench and being at Eddiehad on a hard deck, they are no chance give they have leg injuries. KJ will come in for Gorringe or Kerridge. To me Sam has slowly gone off the boil. After every game, he has been seen in the change room with heavily iced calves. I think he trained too hard over the preseason in an effort to impress and I reckon its backfired a little. He needs a spell and he is my smokey for a rest this week. Rowe must go back.
“Kreuzer has improved after the surgery quicker than expected and he had a follow-up meeting with the surgeon today,” McKay said.
“The surgeon says structurally his knee is sound, so it will be a matter of whether he can get through training over the coming days before we can consider him for selection.
“In terms of Levi, his initial MRI scan revealed a small hairline fracture to the top of his tibia, but a more recent CT scan revealed it’s actually a depression in his tibia which is a lot less severe.
“It has improved an enormous amount over the last few days.
“He will still require a thorough test tomorrow before we can rule him in or out.”
They aren't playing, this is a ruse to give the Cats the craps plus a PR exercise to make sure the fans are still interested in the team etc.
Carlton by 25.
Are the club playing 'ducks & drakes' with this stuff ??
Only with our fans, Geelong know they're not playing.
Jaksch in the ruck Cookie? I don't think so. Using Rowe as our only ruckman would be a recipe for disaster (should that be 'greater disaster').
Playing Jaksch gives us the ability to send Rowe back to defence. Jaksch can also spell Rowe down back when Gorringe needs a spell.
Of the two 'wounded warriors', I suspect that Kreuzer is more likely to play. If he does, Gorringe could miss out.
Who knows? Are we experimenting or did we have a smoke-in at the MC meeting? :)
Personally I wouldn't mind if Gorringe gets another gig. If he does would there be any changes at all?
If Rowe is playing ruck again I'll be interested to see how our defence handles Hawkins.
Actually, the more I think about this the more I think Kreuzer may indeed play.
So we're playing these silly little selection games again......I thought we'd moved on from that. FMD, what's the point of naming those 2......I'd actually be extremely concerned for their welfare if either of them actually took to the field. Utterly ridiculous.
So we're playing these silly little selection games again......I thought we'd moved on from that. FMD, what's the point of naming those 2......I'd actually be extremely concerned for their welfare if either of them actually took to the field. Utterly ridiculous.
Teams nominated 4 days before the game.
There's nothing silly about it. Sounds like they are a real chance and if not ready this week definitely ready next.
Spoke to a nurse with 30 years experience in orthopedic post op work.
She reckons Kruez is a chance. Not uncommon for people to be back in action with a week or two. Swelling after the game probably the main concern.
Casboults injury is harder to judge because it's about pain usually, not damage.
Disagree a little.
Thomas twice got easy leads straight from Centre Clearances. Clean quick ball like that is impossible to stop and came down to our midfielders.
Harvey pushed off through the middle for his goals and again our smaller defenders were not to blame.
Our mids got killed both sides of the ball last Saturday and that was the difference.
Foxtel commentator actually highlighted Simpson a mile away from his opponent looking for the easy outlet kick but thats all history and we can see how they go this week vs the Cats
small to medium players up forward..
Casboults injury is harder to judge because it's about pain usually, not damage.
That's a very interesting point, because I had heard a whisper that Casboult was unexpectedly pain free, which was the reason they sent him for a more detailed scan.
I still think he is probably borderline, do you take an early risk with a +100kg jumping marking player for a game you are probably unlikely to win? It would seem if it is just a bone bruise then another week just makes it certain.
SpecialK could well play, he played out the game and I have heard stories of blokes having a meniscus trimmed on Monday and playing a GF on Saturday. He wouldn't be the first to come back from a small meniscus tear two weeks later.
I suppose the flip side of this debate is that we are not expected to do much this year anyway. So if guys want to test their durability and it fails we don't really damage any expectations for 2016.
I think the biggest plus from all this, is that if blokes are genuinely putting their hand up to get back early then Bolton has significantly changed the Carlton culture.
Pretty simple equation.
If they're fit they'll play.....
Can't see why the Club would bother to play games here.....
Who are we to judge whether they can do harm to themselves if they play. Kreuzer played out his last match with the tear so clearly the medicos were all over that injury.
Casboult might be harder to assess but clearly adds a lot to out forward structure and as a round the ground target.
Our mids got killed both sides of the ball last Saturday and that was the difference.
This.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-v-geelong-blues-shock-as-matthew-kreuzer-and-levi-casboult-selected-20160526-gp4vfk.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/carlton-v-geelong-blues-shock-as-matthew-kreuzer-and-levi-casboult-selected-20160526-gp4vfk.html)
Foxtel commentator actually highlighted Simpson a mile away from his opponent looking for the easy outlet kick but thats all history and we can see how they go this week vs the Cats
small to medium players up forward..
Its very easy to label someone as lazy, but these guys are working in a zone, and not being tight on a man can be a design, and simply following a man can be an oppositions method to open up a zone.
ergo, thomas's goal may have been to drag Simpson from the position he was in, rather than simply Simpson being lazy, and its much more difficult to allow a man to roam free and maintain your position than it is to follow him everywhere.
Now, on the flipside of that to find the answer to whether or not we were lazy, ask the following question. Would his tight manning up have made one iota of difference?
The answer is simple, no. Why? Too much ball came in too easily, and they scored not from the smalls, not from the talls, but from the extra number pushing into their forwardline from midfield which created issues for us, as we had people trying to cover multiple players too frequently.
ERGO, they had a deliberate tactic designed to penetrate a zone defense, and we dealt with it poorly.
AFL 360 can give some good insight into the game, and perhaps a method around what happened would have been getting an extra number back, but I don't think lazy is necessarily the explanation of why it happened.
Foxtel commentator actually highlighted Simpson a mile away from his opponent looking for the easy outlet kick but thats all history and we can see how they go this week vs the Cats
small to medium players up forward..
But does said Foxtel commentator know if thats an instruction from the coach or not? What if it is?
But does said Foxtel commentator know if thats an instruction from the coach or not? What if it is?
Please tell me it wasn't Dwayne, he cannot even tell how high the ball was when it crosses the goal line! :o
You only have to be 5% off your best and you get made top look very average. That can be something as simple as not concentrating for every single minute of the game.
Most of the team was flat against the Roos.
Foxtel commentator actually highlighted Simpson a mile away from his opponent looking for the easy outlet kick but thats all history and we can see how they go this week vs the Cats
small to medium players up forward..
A bit harsh EB!
It looked to me that Simpson was guarding space, as per the team defence. He simply didn't respond quickly enough and that put Docherty under the hammer.
Bolton has us playing a high risk, high reward brand of footy and we'll give up goals until everyone masters their role(s) and executes it very well.
So we're playing these silly little selection games again......I thought we'd moved on from that. FMD, what's the point of naming those 2......I'd actually be extremely concerned for their welfare if either of them actually took to the field. Utterly ridiculous.
Beauty of playing Sunday, we can put them all on an extended bench and then decide. At our levels we won't have the need be playing silly games.
Beauty of playing Sunday, we can put them all on an extended bench and then decide. At our levels we won't have the need be playing silly games.
Agreed, they're clearly both a better than even chance of getting up.
I just saw some footage on TV of Kreuzer and Casboult undergoing 'secret' fitness tests. It was a teaser for the news and they didn't give much away. They weren't at Princes Park.
I just saw some footage on TV of Kreuzer and Casboult undergoing 'secret' fitness tests. It was a teaser for the news and they didn't give much away. They weren't at Princes Park.
I heard they were testing in Albert Park, Harry Trott oval. It's the VCA/Collegians/Wesley College oval. It's a great oval, in terrific condition.
Probably went there due to weather/ground conditions. If they had to it's hop/skip and jump to an indoor session as MSAC. Plus the whole club later did a light skills session at the nearby hockey fields.
Also I'm not sure this wasn't just for the publicity. There is nothing secret about the location, in fact early in the morning Albert Park is like Bourke St Mall there are so many runners, walkers and trainers. Perhaps that is why, they went somewhere they would definitely be seen!
"Secret" was Channel 9's description but it has cropped up again on our website:
Carlton talls Matthew Kreuzer and Levi Casboult have been put through a rigorous testing session on Friday morning as the Blues consider a shock return for the key pair.
Kreuzer (knee) and Casboult (leg) were included in the 25-man squad to face Geelong on Sunday despite injuries that had been expected to sideline them for another three matches.
Both were put through a secret 20-minute testing session at the Power House Hockey Club in Albert Park on Friday morning before taking part in light handball drills.
Coach Brendon Bolton said the pair would be put through more testing in the next 48 hours and the club would take no risks with them against the Cats.
"They got through a good session this morning and we'll have another run in a day or two and see how we go," Bolton said.
"It'll be more about jumping and landing and a lot of the specific work that the talls do.
"There's still 48 hours, but we're hopeful.
"We'll just make an informed decision … based on medical advice and how they're pulling up from the sessions."
Its very easy to label someone as lazy, but these guys are working in a zone, and not being tight on a man can be a design, and simply following a man can be an oppositions method to open up a zone.
ergo, thomas's goal may have been to drag Simpson from the position he was in, rather than simply Simpson being lazy, and its much more difficult to allow a man to roam free and maintain your position than it is to follow him everywhere.
Now, on the flipside of that to find the answer to whether or not we were lazy, ask the following question. Would his tight manning up have made one iota of difference?
The answer is simple, no. Why? Too much ball came in too easily, and they scored not from the smalls, not from the talls, but from the extra number pushing into their forwardline from midfield which created issues for us, as we had people trying to cover multiple players too frequently.
ERGO, they had a deliberate tactic designed to penetrate a zone defense, and we dealt with it poorly.
AFL 360 can give some good insight into the game, and perhaps a method around what happened would have been getting an extra number back, but I don't think lazy is necessarily the explanation of why it happened.
In my day defenders defended first.....Thomas had about 7 shots for goal and probably should have kicked six and you want to give our small defenders a pat on the back? Thomas is a cherry picking cheat who plays for frees, pushes people in the back and generally has no concept of doing any team oriented play..I highly doubt that Scott would entrust him with any take your man wide duties and sacrifice for the team...
The ball did come in too easily but a mug like Simon White and a kid named Weitering decided I'll just stick to my man and play some defense.....funny how that seemed to work out well and players like Petrie, Waite and Brown(after half time) never got off the leish....
I presume your tactic will be to let Motlop run loose and let our blokes play wide of him......good luck with that theory....
Thomas is a cherry picking cheat who plays for frees, pushes people in the back and generally has no concept of doing any team oriented play..
That is the best description for that seagull I've seen to date.
Thomas's career averages would take a massive hit if we removed his games against us.
That is the best description for that seagull I've seen to date.
We only hate villains when they wear the wrong colours.
Both Kroooz and the Bolt are in!! Gorridge and Jones are out.
Carlton's team to take on Geelong:
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 20. Lachie Plowman 15. Sam Docherty
Half-backs 42. Zach Tuohy 23. Jacob Weitering 39. Dale Thomas
Centreline 19. Liam Sumner 4. Bryce Gibbs 27. Dennis Armfield
Half-forwards 33. Andrejs Everitt 17. Sam Rowe 35. Ed Curnow
Forwards 46. Matthew Wright 41. Levi Casboult 1. Andrew Walker
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 9. Patrick Cripps 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange 43. Simon White 38. Ciaran Byrne 11. Sam Kerridge
13. Jed Lamb
Emergencies 14. Liam Jones 37. Daniel Gorringe 18. Kristian Jaksch
Both Kroooz and the Bolt are in!! Gorridge and Jones are out.
No way Casboult will play.
I bet there's a queue about 500 metres long at PP... people with cups in hand to gather and drink some of the water we have there - obviously has remarkable healing qualities!!!
Carlton's team to take on Geelong:
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 20. Lachie Plowman 15. Sam Docherty
Half-backs 42. Zach Tuohy 23. Jacob Weitering 39. Dale Thomas
Centreline 19. Liam Sumner 4. Bryce Gibbs 27. Dennis Armfield
Half-forwards 33. Andrejs Everitt 17. Sam Rowe 35. Ed Curnow
Forwards 46. Matthew Wright 41. Levi Casboult 1. Andrew Walker
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 9. Patrick Cripps 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange 43. Simon White 38. Ciaran Byrne 11. Sam Kerridge
13. Jed Lamb
Emergencies 14. Liam Jones 37. Daniel Gorringe 18. Kristian Jaksch
Jaksch must wonder what he has to do. His form is holding up very well at both ends of the ground in the VFL.
It's possible Rowe is going to play forward so he can share the ruck duties with Kreuzer saving Casboult's leg.
No way that side will play, too small.
Didn't think I'd be saying it... but I'm actually sorry to see Jones miss (if he does ;))
I can't take any of the team selections serious.
I'm no fan of Jaksch but I'm keen to see what he can do at senior level again and apparently he has been doing very well in the VFL and has warranted selection but cannot get one after we have got pumped the week before.
Jones extremely unlucky to miss out.......but I'm guessing he'll play in any case as no way both Kreuzer & Casboult will.
Jones very unlucky IMO and wtf is going on with Jaksch?
I just hope the two "INs" will be OK and the medical staff know what they're doing.
Jones out but everitt and walker remain? BS.
If Jones is indeed a late inclusion as many believe, making Everitt or Walker the 'emergency' would have been a better option. Give them a little rocket and make them pull their finger out.
Jones out but everitt and walker remain? BS.
If Jones is indeed a late inclusion as many believe, making Everitt or Walker the 'emergency' would have been a better option. Give them a little rocket and make them pull their finger out.
I'm think Indigenous Round saved Walker, although that shouldn't be a reason as he's playing crapful.
Thinking Jones is out for "balance" as I think Rowe is going to back Kreuzer up in the ruck, hence play forward, while Casboult looks after his leg and simply plays forward.
Everitt, for all his frustrating faults, keeps scoring, as he did last year. Guessing he'll need a few more games like last week before they drop him as his ability to consistently hit the scoreboard better than others keeps him in i'd say. Something we struggle with. He'll be overtaken eventually.
Fair chance Casboult doesn't playing meaning Jaksch may come in.
I suspect that the Match Committee has very different opinions about Walker and Everitt to those of some folk here. Walker and Everitt seem to be sharing the whipping boy role ::)
Like Lods, I'm a little surprised to find myself thinking that Jones is a little unlucky to be out of the 22. I'm also a little surprised that Jaksch didn't make the 22 but, as others have suggested, it may be because he can't provide a chop out for Kreuzer.
Reckon Jones is the one who has got whipped.....disgraceful decision to drop him IMO given that lad has at least been trying each week since his return.
I hope he plays on Sunday.......there is no way his form has been any worse than AW and Everitt IMO...at least he chases and contests..
Jones very unlucky IMO and wtf is going on with Jaksch?
I just hope the two "INs" will be OK and the medical staff know what they're doing.
Agree...Jaksch has been reasonable each week in a NB's team that has been ordinary and he should be in the team learning the trade for the future....
I suspect that the Match Committee has very different opinions about Walker and Everitt to those of some folk here. Walker and Everitt seem to be sharing the whipping boy role ::)
Like Lods, I'm a little surprised to find myself thinking that Jones is a little unlucky to be out of the 22. I'm also a little surprised that Jaksch didn't make the 22 but, as others have suggested, it may be because he can't provide a chop out for Kreuzer.
Think this is it as I don't think they'll ruck Casboult on Sunday. Hence Rowe slots into the other forward spot for a week or so.
I'm think Indigenous Round saved Walker, although that shouldn't be a reason as he's playing crapful.
Thinking Jones is out for "balance" as I think Rowe is going to back Kreuzer up in the ruck, hence play forward, while Casboult looks after his leg and simply plays forward.
Everitt, for all his frustrating faults, keeps scoring, as he did last year. Guessing he'll need a few more games like last week before they drop him as his ability to consistently hit the scoreboard better than others keeps him in i'd say. Something we struggle with. He'll be overtaken eventually.
Fair chance Casboult doesn't playing meaning Jaksch may come in.
Astute. If Everitt was playing down back and performing the way he is - good night nurse. But, he's kicking goals which saves his clacker. Not good for team morale the way he fails to hurt in the contest for his team mates (as they do for him), but in the short term he does hit the scoreboard and at this stage we need that.
Ps. Yes, Walks had better have a ripper because if he doesn't then he should be replaced.
Walker is fine.
Unfortunately it looks like he hasn't kicked a football before.
I suspect that the Match Committee has very different opinions about Walker and Everitt to those of some folk here. Walker and Everitt seem to be sharing the whipping boy role ::)
Like Lods, I'm a little surprised to find myself thinking that Jones is a little unlucky to be out of the 22. I'm also a little surprised that Jaksch didn't make the 22 but, as others have suggested, it may be because he can't provide a chop out for Kreuzer.
I don't care if their name is Chris Judd, if you are not doing the team things like at the very least chasing your opponent, then your spot in the side needs looking at. Everitt, despite kicking goals, has looked as disinterested as chasing his opponent as anyone has since 'bad fev' was around.
Against North....
Walker - 8 disposals @ 50%. 2 tackles and 1 goal
Everitt - 10 dispoals @ 80%. 1 tackle and 0 goals
Jones - 12 disposals @ 83%. 2 tackles and 2 goals 1.
Everitt and Walker are the whipping boys because Jones was omitted in front of them despite giving more yet all playing a somewhat similar role up forward.
I don't care if their name is Chris Judd, if you are not doing the team things like at the very least chasing your opponent, then your spot in the side needs looking at. Everitt, despite kicking goals, has looked as disinterested as chasing his opponent as anyone has since 'bad fev' was around.
Against North....
Walker - 8 disposals @ 50%. 2 tackles and 1 goal
Everitt - 10 dispoals @ 80%. 1 tackle and 0 goals
Jones - 12 disposals @ 83%. 2 tackles and 2 goals 1.
Everitt and Walker are the whipping boys because Jones was omitted in front of them despite giving more yet all playing a somewhat similar role up forward.
In fact, Everitt and Walker had very different roles to Jones.
Jones is a key forward with the task of taking marks or, failing that, bringing the ball to ground. He took one mark against the Roos. Walker played as a lead up forward and took six marks. Everitt played more as a swing man and got most of his possessions up the ground. None of them are setting the world on fire but, if Casboult plays, it makes more sense to leave Jones out.
If it was up to me, I would have Jaksch in for Everitt, but I'm not privy to the coach's instructions to Everitt.
I don't care if their name is Chris Judd, if you are not doing the team things like at the very least chasing your opponent, then your spot in the side needs looking at. Everitt, despite kicking goals, has looked as disinterested as chasing his opponent as anyone has since 'bad fev' was around.
Against North....
Walker - 8 disposals @ 50%. 2 tackles and 1 goal
Everitt - 10 dispoals @ 80%. 1 tackle and 0 goals
Jones - 12 disposals @ 83%. 2 tackles and 2 goals 1.
Everitt and Walker are the whipping boys because Jones was omitted in front of them despite giving more yet all playing a somewhat similar role up forward.
Previous 2 weeks 5 goals though on top of 31 goals last year. Coaches talk alot about team things but they're never in a hurry to drop anyone that still plays some decent footy hits the scoreboard, especially in a side that struggles to score. They all like to win. Nature of the beast.
You might not actually be wrong but that's the way of the way of the footy world. As Baggers said, if he was a defender doing what he does he'd be out of the side and not getting back in a hurry at all until he picks up.
What this tells me is that Jones has been earmarked as a stop gap or depth player who will only be selected when there are no other options available. He is obviously not impressing the MC enough for them to persevere with him and he will likely be gone as soon as the opportunity is right.
What this tells me is that Jones has been earmarked as a stop gap or depth player who will only be selected when there are no other options available. He is obviously not impressing the MC enough for them to persevere with him and he will likely be gone as soon as the opportunity is right.
Excellent point.
I'm think Indigenous Round saved Walker, although that shouldn't be a reason as he's playing crapful.
Thinking Jones is out for "balance" as I think Rowe is going to back Kreuzer up in the ruck, hence play forward, while Casboult looks after his leg and simply plays forward.
Everitt, for all his frustrating faults, keeps scoring, as he did last year. Guessing he'll need a few more games like last week before they drop him as his ability to consistently hit the scoreboard better than others keeps him in i'd say. Something we struggle with. He'll be overtaken eventually.
Fair chance Casboult doesn't playing meaning Jaksch may come in.
Jones is also Indigenous isn't he? Didn't help him much.
Jones is also Indigenous isn't he? Didn't help him much.
That's right Cookie; there's no sentiment in footy. If you're not considered to be in the best 22, being Indigenous, one off a landmark game or the son of a former player won't get you a game.
Geez, Kreuze and Cas in is a scary proposition. I seriously don't see the point in risking either of them this week. It's not like it's the be all and end all if we lose to Geelong, which is the more likely outcome.
I really hope for 1AW's and Everitt's sake they extract their digits.
I'm quite surprised Jones got the @r$e, i reckon we would be much harder to match up on with another genuine marking target in the F50, but what would i know. Being a confidence player and all this shouldn't set him back one bit ::)
Really want to win against these turd$, instill some belief that we can match it with them at the very least.
The more we win, the more attractive we will appear to players wanting to change clubs.
The only thing not being considered is who we are playing against.
What this tells me is that Jones has been earmarked as a stop gap or depth player who will only be selected when there are no other options available. He is obviously not impressing the MC enough for them to persevere with him and he will likely be gone as soon as the opportunity is right.
I think getting at least 10 games into Curnow, McKay and Silvagni this year in NB or firsts will be priority to build that side of first team depth and some salary cap space to go with it.
McKay should return late June so should get solid three months of football under his belt heading into pre season.
In fact, Everitt and Walker had very different roles to Jones.
Jones is a key forward with the task of taking marks or, failing that, bringing the ball to ground. He took one mark against the Roos. Walker played as a lead up forward and took six marks. Everitt played more as a swing man and got most of his possessions up the ground. None of them are setting the world on fire but, if Casboult plays, it makes more sense to leave Jones out.
If it was up to me, I would have Jaksch in for Everitt, but I'm not privy to the coach's instructions to Everitt.
All played forward.
All supposed to kick goals.
Yes, one is a hit up forward.
Yes, one is a key forward
Yes, one is a bit of both with the old 'utility' thrown in for good measure.
End result is, 2 blokes are not trying hard enough, the other bloke is AND is kicking goals. He kicked 2 of our 6 last week.
I'm not a big Jones fan, and am more of a Walker/Everitt fan. However, this is not (or at least SHOULD NOT) be about playing favourites. It should be about rewarding effort. That is my issue. Jones is putting in more effort than the other 2.....as well as getting more output.
How do you motivate 2's players to put in?
You show them that those who do get rewarded with a spot in the 1's.
You show them that those who don't are stuck playing 2's.
The MC is not doing that at present.
The MC is not doing that at present.
Unfortunately we are not privy to the roles assigned to these players, the expectations of their performances and the KPIs that determine promotion or demotion. Therefore we can't say whether or not the MC are doing the right thing or not. Eg some people on this forum wanted White dropped this week due to a poor performance last week. Internally, they were delighted with the job he did.
There are two reasons you'll keep your place: you fulfilled the task that was given to you AND there is no one better in the wings to take your place. Eg Cripps might be out and Graham comes in. Graham gets 4 clearances 26 possessions and lays 3 tackles......ticked all KPIs but if Cripps is available next week, he comes in.
We'd love to see that MC checklist......but we can't!!
If they're 70% fit and can play through injury considering their age they should bloody well play!!!
Re: Krooz & Caz - something about pigs flying and snowflakes in hell, but the coverage these last 2 days makes me think our guys would kill to get out on the park and be part of what's building. This pleases me. So many times in the past few years it looked like too many players were simply disinterested.
Re: Krooz & Caz - something about pigs flying and snowflakes in hell, but the coverage these last 2 days makes me think our guys would kill to get out on the park and be part of what's building. This pleases me. So many times in the past few years it looked like too many players were simply disinterested.
If you're on the money, it's certainly a wonderful little indicator of success.
Re: Krooz & Caz - something about pigs flying and snowflakes in hell, but the coverage these last 2 days makes me think our guys would kill to get out on the park and be part of what's building. This pleases me. So many times in the past few years it looked like too many players were simply disinterested.
It is pleasing to see the commitment for sure but I also think there is another major factor in play. Our depth is just so poor atm. We may well have some young guys waiting in the wings like SOSOS but they are not ready yet. Aside from those few we have very little and the MC and BB know that we need our very best on field in order to stand any chance of beating any other side. BB's philosophy includes building a belief in our ability to grind out any kind of win in order to build and maintain team morale - a constantly losing team quickly loses steam - at the same time as rebuilding that team. It's a juggling act for sure but outside of selecting the 22 we see this week there is very little else available in the cupboard atm that will facilitate that.
It is pleasing to see the commitment for sure but I also think there is another major factor in play. Our depth is just so poor atm. We may well have some young guys waiting in the wings like SOSOS but they are not ready yet. Aside from those few we have very little and the MC and BB know that we need our very best on field in order to stand any chance of beating any other side. BB's philosophy includes building a belief in our ability to grind out any kind of win in order to build that belief and maintain team morale - a constantly losing team quickly loses steam - at the same time as rebuilding that team. It's a juggling act for sure but outside of selecting the 22 we see this week there is very little else available in the cupboard atm that will facilitate that.
Now that's taken the wind out of my sails Cookie!
We simply lack the depth to field a competitive side if a couple of our key players are injured. Our best 25 is the equal of most of the middle range teams but we fall away rapidly after that. We have blokes with the potential to play AFL but they haven't realised it yet, and perhaps won't ever. While there are occasional glimpses from Smith, Foster, Rainbow, etc, time is running out. We really can't afford to bring in another group of players who won't progress beyond the NBs.
Hopefully I'll see a competitive 22 this arvo :)
I'm expecting a similar loss to last week unless our midfield, meaning Cripps and Murphy, plays a blinder.
If that happens we might run them to two or three goals, but consistent effort and a team ethos is all I really want to see today.
I'm expecting a similar loss to last week unless our midfield, meaning Cripps and Murphy, plays a blinder.
If that happens we might run them to two or three goals, but consistent effort and a team ethos is all I really want to see today.
i think the Pies showed that the Geelong mids don't run that deep either....their back line is experienced, but arguably old and pretty slow too.
Who shuts down Sumner, Lamb?
Hendo on Everitt - win for us. Mackie on Walker? Taylor on Levi - the Bolt will slaughter him if we can get a 1 on 1.
After Dangerfield and Selwood, what Guthrie? Caddy?
We'll win this...
i think the Pies showed that the Geelong mids don't run that deep either....their back line is experienced, but arguably old and pretty slow too.
Who shuts down Sumner, Lamb?
Hendo on Everitt - win for us. Mackie on Walker? Taylor on Levi - the Bolt will slaughter him if we can get a 1 on 1.
After Dangerfield and Selwood, what Guthrie? Caddy?
We'll win this...
Guthrie and Caddy are very good players - Guthrie has moved nicely from being primarily a tagger to being a creating, offensive mid, and is enjoying a break out season.
Dis them at your peril.
Tutt haas taken Jaksch's spot on the emergencies list due to the latter being ill.
Byrne out with a corkie is a real blow. Gorringe in
After Dangerfield and Selwood, what Guthrie? Caddy?
All good players, and then there's Bartel.
We'll win this...
I doubt it, but where there's hope...............
Byrne out with a corkie is a real blow. Gorringe in
Feck
Well at least gorringe gets another go and we can see what he is made of with caz and Krooz to support. No excuses
Assuming our big boys hold up, thats close to the best side we can go with right now.
Not expecting a win, but at least we've got a balanced side out there.