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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
The Collingwood trio are exceptional players, coached by the most innovative coach in the comp who has managed his older troops with precision.
We don't have any of that capability at our club and can't get the simple stuff right.

OK, how about old man Goldstein at Essendon then?

He isnt tripping the light fantastic, but hes been a solid contributer.  Carlton dont rate solid contributer hight enough IMHO, and Jeremy Howe in particular is not someone who has an injury free history, and when I think of him is highlight of intercept marking being in his game. 

As for the innovative coach, how did they go in finals of 2024?  Given they won the flag in 2023, and then bombed out completely, and now stand above everyone, why did he get 2024 so wrong?

You are 3 key players away from being an also ran in any one season.


They did miss out in 2024 but still won 13 games and re equipped their list to go again this season and going against the grain by fielding that trio of very senior players. I'd suggest there is a fair difference in terms of quality output from the Pies trio to Goldstein.
If you want a better comparison try Jack Martin at Geelong, playing off a half back flank as a rebounder and getting 20 plus possessions...we couldnt get him on the park and as for playing as a half back he might have lasted 10 mins with us in that role. The top clubs get most things right and the rest struggle to get the simple stuff correct.
Pendlebury actually ran away from Cripps in the recent match and made our bloke look closer to 40.
We might be doing Cripps a favour if he can get to another club and extend his career, same with Walsh.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by Thryleon -
The Collingwood trio are exceptional players, coached by the most innovative coach in the comp who has managed his older troops with precision.
We don't have any of that capability at our club and can't get the simple stuff right.

OK, how about old man Goldstein at Essendon then?

He isnt tripping the light fantastic, but hes been a solid contributer.  Carlton dont rate solid contributer hight enough IMHO, and Jeremy Howe in particular is not someone who has an injury free history, and when I think of him is highlight of intercept marking being in his game. 

As for the innovative coach, how did they go in finals of 2024?  Given they won the flag in 2023, and then bombed out completely, and now stand above everyone, why did he get 2024 so wrong?

You are 3 key players away from being an also ran in any one season.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by shawny -
I know we can be a bit ageist on here, but Jeremy Howe turned 35 recently.  Sidebottom is also in that bracket as is Pendles.

Dont poo poo a 30 something year old.  Nick Haynes has been in our best players this year after a very shaky start. 



Yeah decent point. Players seem to be playing well into their 30s these days.

Maybe our rebuild is not needed - just need to wait for the list to hit mid 30s before it fires a shot! That was a joke.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by shawny -



He was often maligned but one of the players who left us to go to another club who I really admire was Bryce Gibbs.
He tried 'unsuccessfully' to head to Adelaide at the end of the 2016 season but  deal couldn't be done.
He didn't sook about it.
He came back in  2017 and put his head down and played some really good football, statistically one of his best seasons (43 disposals and 10 tackles in one game)
He knew he would try again for the move at the end of the year but still gave us good efforts.
Tom looks likely to go.
The least we can expect is that he plays in a similar fashion right up until the end.

For every shining example like this one of Gibbs, there is an alternative one.
Remember Lachie Henderson?
He put in such little effort that we were forced to drop him and never play him again. He found form/motivation when he went to the cats though.

TBH, i'm not sure if TDK is showing a lack of effort etc. I think thats just him. It has always been him. His best is good. His worst is terrible and you never know what you are going to get out of him. Year on year he has become a little bit better and little bit more consistent, but he simply is not 'their' yet. The money being offered is for potential (still) rather than current output.

When he did his last contract i said there was no way he was deserving of the figures being bandied around (i think 1 mil at the time). I think the same now. He is not worth those figures.

Agree totally that 1.7M is overs but lets not be clouded by his last few months. He has a lot mates in the bracket of underperforming.

If we are going off what we are seeing now Charlie and Cripps would be on 450K

Wouldnt be surprised if Saints have warned him the 1.7M tag is provided hes body is 100% hence why his output is down - maybe he's afraid of the cost of a major injury as it could be life changing finically. Who knows?