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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
The reason we are the new St Kilda is that we have continued with the same methods that used to work, but no longer do. We have been impatient, short sighted and reactive. We have let corporate methods and individuals take charge for too long. What once may have been a successful blueprint simply does not work today. Today, the patient, stable clubs are the successful clubs. The edgy, brittle, reactive clubs are anchored at the bottom.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
My concern isn't really with the result. We are struggling, have made several changes etc and Collingwood are flying. My concern is the reaction to the result, that the anger, fulmination and irrationality is going to make the club jittery. That's the worrying part for those of us who are keen to see us break this cycle.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I cant see a premiership before he retires unfortunately.

His contract is up at the end of 2027, by which time he will be 32. I can't see a flag in that time. I guess it depends on whether he wants to go on after that. The thought of him eking out an extra year or two somewhere else fills me with dread. Like Jarrad Waite x a googol. He is in the top 5 Carlton players of all time IMO.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Quote from: laj – on
Ratts went ok getting the Saints into the finals but coaching them is no different to coaching us, especially culture-wise and they eventually got him. Saints gave him a new contract then took that away a month later to get Lyon, who has done bugger all. They are as bad a club to coach as us. Ratts got to coach the two worst possible side culture-wise. Could have done alot worse performance-wise.

Whether or not this is true, Ratts has to wear a fair bit of blame IMO. He would know the Carlton culture like the back of his hand. No one put a gun to his head. I imagine he knew what he was getting himself into. At the Saints, he had several months under Richardson prior to being appointed caretaker, then full time. It's a toss of the coin whether you could cut him some slack at St Kilda, but he certainly wasn't coming in cold, like most of our recent coaches.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Hmmm, Baggers, this discussion could unravel fairly quickly, but I'm not sure about your hypothesis. I would as a general rule separate out the older era from the professional era. I suspect the chance for an individual to make a difference was greater in the amateur era, with smaller football departments, no real coaching groups and the like. The coach probably was the man in those days. But IMO, times have changed. Selecting some of those names purely at random, Parkin was sacked at least twice, if not more, so I'm not sure he had an impact across his career, and the recent Geelong and Hawthorn names that you mention are always part of a larger group that collectively have an impact. Brian Cook is now at Carlton, and you can see it's only taken a few years of his tenure before the standard CFC behavior rears its head. Same person, different organization, which is kind of my point.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide
Quote from: Baggers – on
That is the unknowable, Pauly, and such an assumption would be illogical to the extreme. But what we do know is that under Fly in this hypothetical, we would have had a different game plan and a different kind of leadership, and from there... who knows.

I disagree Baggers. In a complex system like a football club, one person cannot make that much of a difference. We’ve seen this often enough. There is an interplay between the individual and the group/ organisation.  They affect and transform each other to varying degrees. I’m not suggesting in any way that a coach makes no difference, but the balance of power is very much with the organisation, and the organisation shapes the individual a lot more than the other way round.

I should also add that I don’t believe our culture is c r a p. I think we’ve built some good foundations in the last few years, but there are clearly some pieces of the puzzle that are missing.