Carlton Supporters Club

Dow and Cuningham couldnt mind each other if they were locked together in a suitcase.

We have a to have a serious one at some stage otherwise we just sit around forever disappointed. This one is on the players and playing culture. Question is when will be have a real one, not a pretend one. Club could say enough is enough all day, has to come from the playing group.

That much is obvious ...

EDIT - I've always loved sellers and since when should he be held accountable for commentary on all things football?   Very odd statement

How would we go with someone like Gary Ayers sitting in the box and being an advisor / mentor?? Experienced, successful and no real threat for the big job??  Even Justin Leppisch??  Hard edge, been with successful clubs and has a few clues about the caper and also not interested in the ‘big job’.  We need a tough hardened  support mechanism that obviously isn’t there at the moment.....

You don't have to like him. Ruthless people can often be unlikable.

An air of complacency seems to be a feature of the club - how else to explain the recruitment of players with mediocre skills at best and then providing them with no specialised coaching to reach AFL standard?

Harry is a prime example.  Why has he not been taught a set routine when taking a set shot for goal?  It is quite plain to see that his current method depends entirely on the thought bubble occupying his mind just before taking his kick.

That raises the question: why do we keep recruiting players whose skills will keep us occupying the bottom half of the ladder?

Surely our backline must go into siege mentality mode early in a game when our inevitable skill errors cause turnovers on our half forward line and the ball comes rocketing back at them through the centre.

Those skill errors, unwillingness to chase and consequent lack of pressure on opposition teams must contribute to a losing mindset that has been a feature of the club for most of this century despite a huge turnover in the players list and numerous coaches.

An air of complacency seems to be a feature of the club - how else to explain the recruitment of players with mediocre skills at best and then providing them with no specialised coaching to reach AFL standard?

Harry is a prime example.  Why has he not been taught a set routine when taking a set shot for goal?  It is quite plain to see that his current method depends entirely on the thought bubble occupying his mind just before taking his kick.

That raises the question: why do we keep recruiting players whose skills will keep us occupying the bottom half of the ladder?

I wish I had the overconfidence of Paul P.  At present I am struggling to be in the glass half full frame of mind.

Ramsay in is a good call....nice leftie and we have to start looking at different setups with different players.

We seem to have a distinct desire NOT to employ former senior coaches to assist our 'apprentice' coach, just in case they start looking over their shoulder!! 
Goodwin was told that Alan Richardson would be sitting in the box with him, then he was told that 'the forgotten man' (too old, don't touch him) Mark Williams would come in to improve their kicking and toughen them up around the ball. Melbourne were as soft as us............now look at them!!
Horse Longmire was happy to take on board the intel that Don Pike could provide, while Stewie Dew saw value is getting the football brain of Rhyce  Shaw onto his team!!
We keep persisting with Barker, Bruce, Amos and Stanton!!
Give Ross Lyon a 9 month contract to come in and help Teague tell a few players a few home truths (I'm sure Choco does!!)  Lyon has enough to do and seems comfortable 'out of the cut and thrust of coaching', but would probably enjoy a bit of 'club land' interaction. 
For Teague, it may very well prolong his coaching career rather than shorten it!!!

My personal view is that we put someone in the position who-
1) Is (barring a serious injury) a long term proposition (i.e still relatively young)
2) Is an almost certain starting 22 player for the duration of his career.

At the start of next season Cripps will be 27, Docherty 28...both have had injuries issues that suggest they won't play deep into their thirties. Cripps is especially suspect given the physical way he plays the game.
If we're building a side for the long term we need long term leadership.

Walsh or Weitering seem to be the obvious choices.

I was at the game again last night.

We were never really in the hunt, and Port took their foot off the gas in the last quarter because they had nothing to worry about.  28 points might as well have been 58....

Forget the skill errors, the obvious lack of cohesion when we are moving forward with the ball, three big blokes in the forward line flying against one another, butchered delivery into the forward line, and numerous other sins  - that stuff can be worked on.

But the biggest disappointment, and most distressing, was the ABSOLUTE LACK OF HEART, EFFORT AND PASSION THROWN UP BY SO MANY IN NAVY BLUE.

Examples :

- Pittonet has Lycett pinning him to the ground for at least 30 seconds, and NO ONE, NOT ONE thought about helping him
- Tackling!  Newnes effort on Amon, and subsequent lack of chasing effort, was only one example.  Employ someone from Melbourne Storm FFS and teach them how to do it.
- Chasing - on at least 5 occasions I can remember last night, the effort to chase, corral and harrass was abysmal (have a look at Georgiades goal in the 2nd quarter - OMG SPS....).  I have seen Auskickers chase harder than some of those efforts last night.
- Crippa, please stop trying to do it all on your own.  You end up looking stupid, and the others around you have no idea what you are doing (I don't doubt his heart, but he needs to become a leader!).  And go and get a bunch of balls and practice goal kicking, and don't stop until you are getting 9 out of 10.

I don't care so much about possessions, give me heart and effort any day.  Put the footage of the weak-hearted efforts on the big screen in the Training Room and rip into them.  The lot of them are sitting on big fat salaries, and they dish up that crap.  Stuff the modern 'there, there' psychology - tear strips off them.

I am so tired of 'we just weren't good enoughs' and 'it was only 4 goals'.  We were plain and simple embarrassed last night, and I saw far too many examples of blokes who looked like they didn't care all that much.

If that doesn't turn around and soon, 2021 and beyond is looking bleak.

Depends which Carlton turns up week to week. We can't stay motivated for more than two weeks in a row though.

I'm close to giving up after 50+ years.   Another season,  another year wasted.

Our simply incredible list management team forgot to put a back up tall defender on the list,  instead relying the likes of Caleb Marchbank to come good.   Bzzzzzzt. Epic fail. If Weitering misses we are truly rooted. Options are.... Casboult to CHB?   Cue crickets. Out of options.

Meanwhile we have systemic problems on every line.... WTF do we persist with MacGovern,  WHY!?!  I just don't get it. He is the laziest footballer I've ever seen.  FFS,   Make him earn it Teague, he's taking the pi55 that bloke.   Yes,  our membership money. Going to that fraud... Yep it grinds my gears.  Just delist this bloke.

Marc Murphy needs to gracefully exit stage left,  it's getting embarrassing. Is this bloke going to tag Rich, can't see it myself.   BTW,  what's the plan there Teague,  let Rich run around and get 40 kicks unimpeded?

Stocker to play every game for the rest of the year,  and I'd think about Carroll as well.   We desperately need to inject some class into this side,  we're got too many names not delivering and they need a kick in the ar5e and a run in the twos.... Time to try somebody else because the 22 were putting out each week isn't delivering.

Frustrated and extremely pissed right now.