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Not sure they're culprits.
They're just doing what they have to do to make their country and people more prosperous.
Can't blame them for that. After all, we in the west did it for centuries to get where we've got today?
Fly .. they're an economic and military super power. They're being treated leniently when they are by far the biggest polluter on Earth (double the U.S.) and that is insane on any level. To kick us on a per capita basis is BS when the country simply can't sustain a bigger population so China is afforded emissions leniency. Last time I looked China wasn't 35% desert but we are.
Yes, the whole per capita vs total emissions debate bends to political will and is primarily bogus. Per capita doesn't mean much if you are a postage stamp economy with a with low density population like Australia, so it's really just used by extremists to name and shame.
The real unequivocal issue is total emissions. Everybody knows the major polluters in this regard, having a massive under-resourced low economic status population gets all your per capita emissions average down across the board.
But those realities cannot be used as an excuse for a lack of action by any country.
Hear you LP. To push home that point, if we shut down down ALL power tomorrow for an entire year, China would obliterate the savings in a week. They are the REAL culprits as they're treated as a developing country that is treated far more favourably than one that is obviously developed
We're not anybody's whipping boy
Can't move away from fossil fuels until there is a viable baseload alternative.
Here in Australia, we're so vacuous and self absorbed, we can't even have a reasonable, rational debate on nuclear.
Wind and solar are a waste of space.
Ask South Australians how happy they are with the 'new' energy mantra there.
Totally stupid to bankrupt the country on new technologies that simply DO NOT work.
We should have had nuclear 40 years ago. Why in the hell should we impoverish ourselves when we are so rich in resources and then end up paying more for power than any other country. Because we are dead dumb. No other country would tolerate it. 1.3 % of the world's emissions. BFD !!!
Even more evidence to check the books after that result.....cold pastie to beef Wellington overnight, sure, we believe that one Virat.
I knew you'd be on to that EB They're nothing if not transparent. And untouchable
LP, I gather you're some sort of scientist. You should be more sceptical.
Most climate scientists (who rule the roost) are climate modellers eg Schmidt at GISS, Mikey Mann etc.
Sea level rise - the rate of rise has not increased one iota (and the satellite data is crap on SLR - the error far exceeds any change measured).
ps the Pacific Island spin - what qa crock. We have very reliable data (and a recent study said many of t he islands are in fact getting bigger) - http://www.bom.gov.au/oceanography/projects/spslcmp/data/monthly.shtml
After all, we're in an interglacial, temps should be rising as should sea level.
Noting we emerged from the Little Ice Age in the late 1800s - of course we should warm after that...and thank f... too.
Is this warming unprecedented? No. The Medieval Warm Period, the Roman Warm Period (once called Optimums for a reason) were all significantly warmer, nor is the rate of warming unprecedented.
This is irrefutable.
The 1910- 40s warmed just as fast. With no rise in CO2. Then when CO2 was really cranking up, the planet cooled from the mid 40s to the late 70s. The world was crapting itself about another ice age right through the 70s. Fact.
if anything the high resolution ice core data suggests CO2 lags temperature (800yr+ lag) which is a far more scientifically sound proposition.
The AGW theory is a poor theory, has not been empirically proven - EVER - and the observed data (remember the scientific method?) simply debunks the theory. QED as they say.
The models are crap - the climate sensitivity attributed is simply way overstated.
It's all about politics, money and control of the populace.
F..., we can't predict weather a few weeks out, how can we believe anything the muppets say about 2100?
Nor does data suggest storms or other natural disasters are more prevalent. Quite the reverse in fact.
When I'm "told" to believe the science, I know it's BS. People are so 'effin gullible, they now hold it to be the absolute truth. It's not.
I think you can find plenty of examples that go the other way, completely. I've certainly sent snakes, possums and rats to 'a better place' when they posed a threat to the wellbeing of my family or attempting to destroy my veggie patch -- yes, living in a bayside suburb then and also when we lived in Tyabb.
One of my dear friends (city dweller - outer suburb) grows the best tomatoes you will ever taste... mostly beefheart for all his pastes (tradition Italian pasta sauces). Suffice to say he has no issues with possoms. As some vanish and new ones arrive, they mysteriously vanish as well... no-one messes with his tomatoes! Kiwis have the right idea for possoms. Conversely, I can tell you about friends in Gippy who would be horrified by my mates attitudes and actions to protect his tomatoes/veggie garden!
I've lived in both city and country since leaving the Navy in 1976 and although there are some definite cultural differences, the divide is not as great as some might believe. We live 2 hours from Melbourne now and the mix of folks here is pretty diverse... there is the 'less rush' of the country here, which I like. I don't miss the smell of pollution in the air of the city, that's for sure. The smell of eucalypt in the morning... aahhhh, magnificent.
And as for possums when people were screaming at bracks to do something about them destroying the Botanic Gardens? The effwit said "they were here first".
Should be a state wide cull on them, bats and mynahs.
Of course it's a multifactor issue.
Perhaps a Royal Commission isn't such a bad idea.
They usually result in recommendations that carry a bit of weight for change.
Trouble is they don't ... had one after black Saturday with recommendations to cut back undergrowth.
What happened? Nothing
Living in a small rural community we can see just how much fuel is on the forrest floor. Gums lose their leaves all year round, nowhere near the same number of people take firewood out of the forrest due to severe restrictions. so that fallen trees and branches build up and the 'cold burns' have not been sighted in our area for almost 2 years. Fires cannot start nor continue without some sort of fuel, and the greenies have stupidly provided the fuel. Locals are ready to burn any greenies should they happen to leave their inner suburban houses. But they wont, not to even help fight the fires they have caused
No-one who doesn't live in the regional and rural areas should have a say in what happens there.
Exactly how I feel ... now that I live here, even more so. The sense of community in the bush, city people will never truly understand. The Greens are absolutely loathed and despised. With you chalky
Marnus my son, you could be anything. Seriously good already regardless of the attack.