Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: crashlander on April 24, 2016, 09:12:25 am
Title: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: crashlander on April 24, 2016, 09:12:25 am
Sunday May 1st at 1520 at the MCG. It is our home game. Some wags out there have claimed that this game is the 'GF' for us and the Drug Cheats. I find that unlikely, as there are some ordinary teams out there. However, I hope to see a LOT of Carlton supporters at this game. I really want to give it to the Drug Cheats.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: crashlander on April 24, 2016, 09:05:43 pm
Now we have our 1st win, this game is no longer quite what the pundits thought it would be. I guess it will also depend on how the Drug Cheats go against Collingwood tomorrow. However, if we can produce an effort like that (with perhaps, a bit more skill), I am a LOT more confident about winning 2 in a row.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 24, 2016, 09:11:52 pm
I reckon it's On Like Donkey Kong tomorrow and they will beat the crap out of each other for a win on the day.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: crashlander on April 24, 2016, 09:18:49 pm
Hopefully today they both go hell for leather and are too stuffed to give a $h1t about next week. Chalk up another win for us.
The extra day's rest should hopefully help us against the Essendon Football Retirees Club.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: crashlander on April 25, 2016, 09:42:15 am
We have a few guys still not getting much of the ball, no matter how improved our work rate all over the ground has been. Therefore I am pretty certain that Armfield will get a game. His raw pace will be very useful. Bolts appears to be a guy who likes to reward emergencies, especially as they can often have no chance of showing their wares. That makes me wonder if Simon White will be in the mix. I think it more likely that he will play in the VFL this week: his maturity and strength are probably the difference between winning and losing at that level. Tutt must also be not too far away, as he is getting leather poisoning at VFL level.
Jamison probably won't get a game our defence stood up very well against a team with premiership aspirations. (Doesn't matter that this is unrealistic at this point, but Freo thought they were good enough.) Nor was his form impressive enough to be a reasonable inclusion. Similarly I can't see Kristian Jaksch getting a game. Our forward structure is still in need of improvement, but importing Jaksch would require the export of Jones or Casboult or a ruckman. I can't see that happening yet.
At the moment, Buckley and Tuohy appear most likely to make way, with neither having been getting a lot of the ball in recent times. Buckley's role looks more expendable at the moment, as Tuohy has been defending reasonably. I've said this a number of times, but I would like to see Tuohy play a little further up field with an attacking role - say, on the wing. His strength and good disposal would be more beneficial and he would be able to get into the play more. Similarly, I think Buckley plays better in defence: his concentration is better and he loves to run off his man and drive the ball forward.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 25, 2016, 10:08:00 am
I'll be looking especially for Jones to build on his work on Sunday and hopefully to working in an effective partnership with Levi. Add in young Charlie C, who does impress me, and hopefully our forward structure can start to be more effective.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: blue4life on April 25, 2016, 10:49:54 am
What's happened to Walks?
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 25, 2016, 10:59:38 am
We have a few guys still not getting much of the ball, no matter how improved our work rate all over the ground has been. Therefore I am pretty certain that Armfield will get a game. His raw pace will be very useful. Bolts appears to be a guy who likes to reward emergencies, especially as they can often have no chance of showing their wares. That makes me wonder if Simon White will be in the mix. I think it more likely that he will play in the VFL this week: his maturity and strength are probably the difference between winning and losing at that level. Tutt must also be not too far away, as he is getting leather poisoning at VFL level.
Jamison probably won't get a game our defence stood up very well against a team with premiership aspirations. (Doesn't matter that this is unrealistic at this point, but Freo thought they were good enough.) Nor was his form impressive enough to be a reasonable inclusion. Similarly I can't see Kristian Jaksch getting a game. Our forward structure is still in need of improvement, but importing Jaksch would require the export of Jones or Casboult or a ruckman. I can't see that happening yet.
At the moment, Buckley and Tuohy appear most likely to make way, with neither having been getting a lot of the ball in recent times. Buckley's role looks more expendable at the moment, as Tuohy has been defending reasonably. I've said this a number of times, but I would like to see Tuohy play a little further up field with an attacking role - say, on the wing. His strength and good disposal would be more beneficial and he would be able to get into the play more. Similarly, I think Buckley plays better in defence: his concentration is better and he loves to run off his man and drive the ball forward.
Maybe Touhy is adding something to Byrne's game with some guidance but his own game as been ordinary this season IMO and he is lucky to be in the team and is using some of those runs in the bank he has built up early in his career.
Couple of Essendon players who worry us are Daniher, Goddard and Zaharakis......the former is their main avenue to goal and has been playing well.....too big for Plowman, probably ditto for Weitering although our bloke is a smart young player with that happy knack of being able to get the spoil in and then there is Rowe who beat the Pav yesterday but who worries me vs the younger quicker kids... Goddard is interesting..he drifts forward to kick goals and also hangs around half back to take intercept marks and pick up cheap kicks but I dont see him at the coalface very often but he is destructive when he gets the ball and we cant have him racking up 25 possies and kicking 2-3 goals. Zaharakis goes under the radar but can win games with goals at crucial times and I am sick of seeing him in their best players with a few goals against his name when they play us..
Kruezer needs a big game vs Luenberger who has lifted at his new club.....I have been on MK's back but I thought he started well vs Freo but seemed to drift out of the game.....Philips also did some good things and was handy in the ruck...
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: PaulP on April 25, 2016, 11:01:20 am
Injured/Redundant...C.Curnow has taken his place and as KC and the Sunshine band said.." that the way I like it"...
Yep tend to agree, the end could be coming thick and fast for Walks unfortunately. Really no point in him getting games ahead of Lamb, Sumner and especially CC. SOS to get the no.1 jumper next year ;) ;D
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 25, 2016, 11:55:38 am
I think there are quite a few blokes who would still be well behind a fit 1AW in the pecking order, age or youth is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 25, 2016, 12:00:09 pm
@EB1
Don't forget Zac Merrett Elwood. He seems to be having a breakout year and could be a handful. Ed Curnow could well be put onto him?
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: pinot on April 25, 2016, 12:15:05 pm
Tackling number down again against Dockers - don't know why we can't tackle.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 25, 2016, 01:11:06 pm
Casboult into the ruck where he can use his strength, his marking, to the advantage of the side. Much better than him kicking at goal..lol.
Reckon they might leave the two specialist rucks in vs Luenberger to work him over and use Casboult out at CHF.....be Hartley or Brown picking him up. Brown is a bit of a intercept marking type and has taken over form Hooker in that role, I reckon they might be wanting to make sure he isnt allowed to be free without a taller opponent tp keep him honest....Hartley is a ex VFL player and I would see him getting the less potent Jones...
Dont get me wrong, I like Jaksch and like the balance he would give us but I think they wont tinker much this week..
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 25, 2016, 01:12:34 pm
Don't forget Zac Merrett Elwood. He seems to be having a breakout year and could be a handful. Ed Curnow could well be put onto him?
Yep...good call Cookie...ZM has slipped under the radar a bit and is an improved player and will need someone to keep him company... Maybe Ed Curnow for ZM and B. Gibbs for Goddard.....
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 25, 2016, 01:32:15 pm
For me I'd play Ciaran Byrne on Goddard, good size match, Byrne is OK overhead, and probably has Goddard covered for pace.
Great opportunity in my opinion for Byrne to get hold of a significant scalp.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Amers on April 25, 2016, 01:33:27 pm
1 of 2 must win games for the season! :D
We'll take some confidence from last weeks win, here's hoping we can repeat !!
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LanceRomance on April 25, 2016, 01:34:20 pm
Injured/Redundant...C.Curnow has taken his place and as KC and the Sunshine band said.." thats the way I like it"...
While I agree with a bit of that I want to see Walks get to 200 games.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 25, 2016, 01:42:26 pm
I'm getting the strong feeling that BB is very reluctant to bring in the older players currently not getting a game plus any that are playing who don't perform will quickly be moved out - Zach T. look out. The focus is on youth with the older guys as backup.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: blue4life on April 25, 2016, 01:59:07 pm
I'm getting the strong feeling that BB is very reluctant to bring in the older players currently not getting a game plus any that are playing who don't perform will quickly be moved out - Zach T. look out.
Zach is as safe as houses, among the first half dozen picked.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 25, 2016, 02:50:49 pm
Zach is as safe as houses, among the first half dozen picked.
He needs a good one soon IMO. I noticed that Docherty had replaced him taking the kick outs on Sunday, I think Byrne could push for his spot - but we'll see I guess.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2016, 03:05:56 pm
He needs a good one soon IMO. I noticed that Docherty had replaced him taking the kick outs on Sunday, I think Byrne could push for his spot - but we'll see I guess.
He has good and bad patches in games. The defence coaches need to work with him on the defensive side of his game. His man lost him a couple of times too easily.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: ItsOurTime on April 25, 2016, 04:05:39 pm
Well, they won't be tired for next week. Nearly 10 goals behind with plenty yo go in the second.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: blue4life on April 25, 2016, 04:13:20 pm
He has good and bad patches in games. The defence coaches need to work with him on the defensive side of his game. His man lost him a couple of times too easily.
Defenders cop a rough deal, they're bound to lose a few one on one contests but when they do it's costly, a forward gets beaten or doesn't even make it to the contest and no one seems bothered so much. Touhy's foot skills are as good as anyone at Carlton, he's quick, strong and has a natural attacking instinct. His good far outweighs the bad in my opinion.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 25, 2016, 04:44:28 pm
Defenders cop a rough deal, they're bound to lose a few one on one contests but when they do it's costly, a forward gets beaten or doesn't even make it to the contest and no one seems bothered so much. Touhy's foot skills are as good as anyone at Carlton, he's quick, strong and has a natural attacking instinct. His good far outweighs the bad in my opinion.
Do not disagree with any of that except that last sentence, in particular the far outweighs bit. I think if we could slot a more natural defender in his spot (say Byrne), 2E could be a weapon further up the ground for us. Thats a win-win AFAIC.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 25, 2016, 04:49:08 pm
Do not disagree with any of that except that last sentence, in particular the far outweighs bit. I think if we could slot a more natural defender in his spot (say Byrne), 2E could be a weapon further up the ground for us. Thats a win-win AFAIC.
Far too much heart in the mouth stuff for my taste with Tuohy in defence atm. (Well I don't like the taste of it!).
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 25, 2016, 05:16:33 pm
Far too much heart in the mouth stuff for my taste with Tuohy in defence atm. (Well I don't like the taste of it!).
Most of our defence has been fine this season. The problems are caused by a lack of forward presence and forward tackling pressure. Opposition clubs are transitioning far too easily against us and it leaves our defenders out of position. Lamb is an improvement, and Wright is rolled gold when he's deep in the F50, but we need quite a few more getting to the fall of the ball inside F50 especially if the big blokes aren't going to clunk a dozen marks each per game.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: RiverRat on April 25, 2016, 06:38:01 pm
We have a few guys still not getting much of the ball, no matter how improved our work rate all over the ground has been. Therefore I am pretty certain that Armfield will get a game. His raw pace will be very useful.
Jamison probably won't get a game our defence stood up very well against a team with premiership aspirations.
Armfield for Buckley would probably be a positive.
If fit, Jamison should come under consideration as an opponent for Daniher - despite less than brilliant form, Jamo is still our best tall defender against a leading forward because the others (apart from Byrne) lack closing speed and/or reach. Also, Weitering has been a more attacking player in the games that Jamo has played.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Professer E on April 25, 2016, 07:17:01 pm
Daniher is still lightly framed and relies up jumping at the ball. Doesn't like body pressure.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: pinot on April 25, 2016, 07:30:55 pm
Why isn't Buckley developing? I though he would be much better than he is currently playing. Is he trying too hard?
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on April 25, 2016, 07:53:58 pm
Armfield for Buckley would probably be a positive.
If fit, Jamison should come under consideration as an opponent for Daniher - despite less than brilliant form, Jamo is still our best tall defender against a leading forward because the others (apart from Byrne) lack closing speed and/or reach. Also, Weitering has been a more attacking player in the games that Jamo has played.
Plowman and weitering have made Jamo redundant.
Both are better at closing, both can actually spoil and both have a level of ability above what he does.
Jamo has been a good servant but he is now our backup defender and will only play if the others don't.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 25, 2016, 07:54:18 pm
Zach is as safe as houses, among the first half dozen picked.
I'm with Cookie on Zac...been ordinary this season and needs to improve, plenty of errors and his decision making seems suspect under pressure. However there isnt much apart from Dick in the NB's to take his spot as a specialist half back ..
re: Buckley...I'd go with him again this week, does have a crack and we need leg speed...making silly errors for sure but the effort is always there and I think we need to persist with him ahead of players like Armfield who are not the future... If you want to drop Buckley then replace him with Boekhorst if fit, DVR, Smith etc..I like Army but he is backup these days only IMO
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: DJC on April 25, 2016, 08:00:19 pm
Both are better at closing, both can actually spoil and both have a level of ability above what he does.
Jamo has been a good servant but he is now our backup defender and will only play if the others don't.
I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form. At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward. However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back. I hope I'm proved wrong.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on April 25, 2016, 08:04:19 pm
I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form. At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward. However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back. I hope I'm proved wrong.
Jamisons shoulders are that cooked that he can't actually stop his opponent.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 25, 2016, 08:09:22 pm
I suspect that Jamison will only play if he gets back in form. At his best, he's well ahead of Rowe, Weitering and Plowman when it comes to shutting down a key forward. However, I'm not convinced that he will be able to get back. I hope I'm proved wrong.
Bit of a message from the coach being dropped and I reckon he may call it quits before seasons end and allow Jessie G Mac a promotion so he can have a taste of senior footy..
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Jaseace on April 25, 2016, 09:50:36 pm
Bit of a message from the coach being dropped and I reckon he may call it quits before seasons end and allow Jessie G Mac a promotion so he can have a taste of senior footy..
Is G-Mac actually playing well in the VFL or are we just hopeful everything will just fall into place for him? Really hope he does become a player because that would just about set our defence for the next 15 years. Would love to get some feed back off those who have seen him play.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LoveNavy on April 26, 2016, 12:09:08 am
I wonder if the 1st yr players like JW will need a break at some point. This could be where Jamo etc. would be able to just walk in. Thoughts...
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: townsendcalling on April 26, 2016, 05:37:02 am
Is G-Mac actually playing well in the VFL or are we just hopeful everything will just fall into place for him?
In this case we are pinning our hopes on a young kid who was overlooked by every club in the main draft last year and was grabbed in the rookie draft. Check the NB coaches notes and watch the kid live. Could be good in the future but far from near it yet. As a key position player he probably needs 2 good preseasons. We are 'developing' a very good team not fast tracking one. JMG and young SOS are our future not our present. We killed off Krooze too early as did Melbourne with Watts. Give them as taste at the right time but don't think they are ready to go. Weitering is a freak and an exception not the rule. Patience is the key.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 26, 2016, 07:16:44 am
. Weitering is a freak and an exception not the rule. Patience is the key.
C Curnow can be thrown into the same boat, he has been pretty good. Initially it looked like it would be a while before he broke into the side.
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Post by: Professer E on April 26, 2016, 08:11:30 am
I heard that the club over-looked Collins as they thought that JGM would be available late (rookie pick #1) due to his perceived "kicking issues". If SOS couldn't pick a key defender, who could?
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Post by: LP on April 26, 2016, 08:28:09 am
I heard that the club over-looked Collins as they thought that JGM would be available late (rookie pick #1) due to his perceived "kicking issues". If SOS couldn't pick a key defender, who could?
As long as they are picking footballers and not athletes I don't care. Collins is a serious footballer, I don't know enough about JGM to confidently comment but sheez he's stacked on some size in a short period of time! Some clubs were concerned about Collin's perceived lack of closing speed / pace, but keep in mind Weitering is not that fast(Not that slow either!) but knows where to be so he often seems to have time, space and momentum on his side.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on April 26, 2016, 09:51:14 am
In this case we are pinning our hopes on a young kid who was overlooked by every club in the main draft last year and was grabbed in the rookie draft. Check the NB coaches notes and watch the kid live. Could be good in the future but far from near it yet. As a key position player he probably needs 2 good preseasons. We are 'developing' a very good team not fast tracking one. JMG and young SOS are our future not our present. We killed off Krooze too early as did Melbourne with Watts. Give them as taste at the right time but don't think they are ready to go. Weitering is a freak and an exception not the rule. Patience is the key.
There is a bit of hope pinning going on but for what I understand good reason.
I have a heard a story that apparently he wasnt all that keen on footy till his final year of school and was playing basketball (good hands in close, big tick) up until 2014. He was able to contain Josh Schache and wore him like a glove, and is a 198cm sized player who likes to run and create as well as stop his opponent.
Generally regarded as a "safe kick" if not a good one, which Im not entirely sure what that means, and he tested well at the combine.
Regarded as a raw AFL talent, but one with a future and has had exposure at either end of the ground.
Now, what that means for us is that he is tagged with the potential tag. Will he get it together? Who knows, but he has 3 years on our rookie list to show something, and people are likewise excited because its a bloke that Bolton will get his hands on rather than anyone else.
Based on that write up, at worst he is a replacement for Rowe and will give us similar. At best he will be an upgrade on Rowe and will give us more.
Im happy with that.
Should he play soon? no chance.
We will see how we go with him.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: DJC on April 26, 2016, 10:42:18 am
Based on that write up, at worst he is a replacement for Rowe and will give us similar. At best he will be an upgrade on Rowe and will give us more.
At worst, Glass-McCasker will be delisted without playing a senior game. He has a long way to go before he is a chance to displace Rowe or get ahead of Jamison in the pecking order. However, we do have a good record in developing rookies into capable defenders and using a rookie pick on Glass-McCasker was a good decision. Time will tell whether it will pay off.
I can't really see any changes to our defence for the Essendon game. I don't think Bolton is the type of coach who will gift games to fringe players and, from the reports of the NBs game, none of our new blokes are putting their hands up, with the possible exception of Tutt.
Of the established players, Armfield seems to be the only one who has done enough to merit senior selection. I think he would provide more as a defensive forward than Buckley has so far, but Buckley is getting better as he learns the role.
I suspect that the only changes this week will be to the emergencies. Team selection this week will reveal a little more about Bolton's thinking.
Seven's commentators effectively dismissed Essendon's chances of a win next week and I think they're right - as long as we don't revert to our NAB Challenge team.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 26, 2016, 10:48:57 am
At worst, Glass-McCasker will be delisted without playing a senior game. He has a long way to go before he is a chance to displace Rowe or get ahead of Jamison in the pecking order. However, we do have a good record in developing rookies into capable defenders and using a rookie pick on Glass-McCasker was a good decision. Time will tell whether it will pay off.
I can't really see any changes to our defence for the Essendon game. I don't think Bolton is the type of coach who will gift games to fringe players and, from the reports of the NBs game, none of our new blokes are putting their hands up, with the possible exception of Tutt.
Of the established players, Armfield seems to be the only one who has done enough to merit senior selection. I think he would provide more as a defensive forward than Buckley has so far, but Buckley is getting better as he learns the role.
I suspect that the only changes this week will be to the emergencies. Team selection this week will reveal a little more about Bolton's thinking.
Seven's commentators effectively dismissed Essendon's chances of a win next week and I think they're right - as long as we don't revert to our NAB Challenge team.
Won't be a blow out as we won't ever get that far in front. Just hope we don't give these cheats too much of a sniff.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: thrunthrublu on April 26, 2016, 10:54:25 am
back to back?
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Bear on April 26, 2016, 10:57:59 am
I would bet their will still be a couple of changes... might help freshen us up on the back of the trip to Perth, and we have a few guys who are playing on limited preparations.
And we didn't really play that well.
Looks like Everitt, Walker, Armfield & Boekhorst could all be available.
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Post by: cookie2 on April 26, 2016, 11:19:11 am
I would bet their will still be a couple of changes... might help freshen us up on the back of the trip to Perth, and we have a few guys who are playing on limited preparations.
And we didn't really play that well.
Looks like Everitt, Walker, Armfield & Boekhorst could all be available.
I think we'll definitely be strongly selecting for another win v. the Bummers and so a bit more experience may well be in the selectors minds.
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Post by: DJC on April 26, 2016, 12:49:44 pm
I think we'll definitely be strongly selecting for another win v. the Bummers and so a bit more experience may well be in the selectors minds.
Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing what is in the selectors' minds but, apart from Armfield, our experienced players didn't put their hands up in the NBs. Perhaps White is in with a chance.
As to who would go out, Buckley, Lamb and Sumner would have to be most likely.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 26, 2016, 01:22:12 pm
I would bet their will still be a couple of changes... might help freshen us up on the back of the trip to Perth, and we have a few guys who are playing on limited preparations.
And we didn't really play that well.
Looks like Everitt, Walker, Armfield & Boekhorst could all be available.
All calves and hamstrings.
Wonder if there was something in our pre-season?. Even SOS had a string.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 26, 2016, 02:44:06 pm
At worst, Glass-McCasker will be delisted without playing a senior game. He has a long way to go before he is a chance to displace Rowe or get ahead of Jamison in the pecking order. However, we do have a good record in developing rookies into capable defenders and using a rookie pick on Glass-McCasker was a good decision. Time will tell whether it will pay off.
I can't really see any changes to our defence for the Essendon game. I don't think Bolton is the type of coach who will gift games to fringe players and, from the reports of the NBs game, none of our new blokes are putting their hands up, with the possible exception of Tutt.
Of the established players, Armfield seems to be the only one who has done enough to merit senior selection. I think he would provide more as a defensive forward than Buckley has so far, but Buckley is getting better as he learns the role.
I suspect that the only changes this week will be to the emergencies. Team selection this week will reveal a little more about Bolton's thinking.
Seven's commentators effectively dismissed Essendon's chances of a win next week and I think they're right - as long as we don't revert to our NAB Challenge team.
I was thinking more long term DJC. When I look at our playing group, I see two 22's. The one that is for the now, and the one that is what we transition to moving forward. In any given week we will mix these teams up, and some of our best 22 moving forward will be the same as the one that plays now, whilst some of our blokes are in neither.
Thats the sort of forward planning we have been missing, and most likely due to having too many holes in the side.
You can't have contingencies for everyone, but if we look at what replaces our oldest players now, we can worry about the other missing links later and not free fall like we did in case a replacement doesnt work and we can also get them up to speed whilst they have someone to learn their role off, and then they can pass that knowledge on to the next crop of youngsters.
So for me we have the following with the future of our best 22 in Brackets these should ebb and flow based on who is ready sooner or who has improved immensely:
*I have put some current interchange players into one or the other best 22 for a purpose else they would be there instead of our future best 22. Im looking longer term than just 3 years away as we want to win multiple flags rather than just one and to do that we need to forward plan much better than we used to, and not just fling blokes to fill a perceived need without looking at the overall effect of it.
Guys like Foster, Gowers, Wood, Sheehan, Dick need to get a move on and establish themselves as a future replacement for one of our current elderstatesmen as they will be pushed out for someone who will be.
Thats not to say that we wont fling anyone else either who currently is in our best 22, but I get the idea that this is how we should think of our team moving forward.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: blue4life on April 26, 2016, 03:09:27 pm
Looks like Everitt, Walker, Armfield & Boekhorst could all be available.
Everitt for Jones should be a no-brainer, so should Walker or Boekhorst for Buckley. We need our forwards getting their hands on the ball. A win on the weekend shouldn't guarantee any spots, Essendon are an above average VFL team this season.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on April 26, 2016, 03:11:43 pm
Everitt for Jones should be a no-brainer, so should Walker or Boekhorst for Buckley. We need our forwards getting their hands on the ball. A win on the weekend shouldn't guarantee any spots, Essendon are an above average VFL team this season.
Everitt cant replace Jones.
It sends the wrong message.
Jones actually tries. Everitt just coasts around waiting to kick a couple of goals.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: blue4life on April 26, 2016, 03:27:17 pm
Jones actually tries. Everitt just coasts around waiting to kick a couple of goals.
Everitt has averaged about 16 touches a game since he came to Carlton, that says he's doing more than coasting to me. Jones has averaged just over 5 at Carlton and single figures over his 76 game career, he just doesn't get hold of the ball and it isn't about to change.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 26, 2016, 03:50:12 pm
I think it would send a very poor message if, after playing well in the seconds and performing reasonably in your one outing in the firsts, we were to drop Jones.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 26, 2016, 03:52:40 pm
Everitt has averaged about 16 touches a game since he came to Carlton, that says he's doing more than coasting to me. Jones has averaged just over 5 at Carlton and single figures over his 76 game career, he just doesn't get hold of the ball and it isn't about to change.
It's about what they did last week, not last season.
From all reports Everitt was invisible in the magoos and that was after he had been terrible all NAB cup an his first game of the year.
Jones has played well for two weeks in the magoos and worked his arse off (i watched him closely) in the firsts.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 26, 2016, 03:57:32 pm
It's about what they did last week, not last season.
From all reports Everitt was invisible in the magoos and that was after he had been terrible all NAB cup an his first game of the year.
Jones has played well for two weeks in the magoos and worked his arse off (i watched him closely) in the firsts.
x 2. As you said, sends the wrong message. BB is a smart operator, its all about teaching and learning but they are made to know where the stand in no uncertain terms. Jones did well in the 2s to earn the spot and did nothing wrong to lose it. Very hard to change a team that gutsed out a win at Subi versus last years league leaders, unless of course some guns are screaming for their spots back but I cant think of any.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Baggers on April 26, 2016, 05:01:24 pm
It's about what they did last week, not last season.
From all reports Everitt was invisible in the magoos and that was after he had been terrible all NAB cup an his first game of the year.
Jones has played well for two weeks in the magoos and worked his arse off (i watched him closely) in the firsts.
x3. Precisely. Jones earned his spot in the seniors and showed composure at critical moments to kick goals. Everitt's performance for the NBs said nothing about demanding attention/recall - failed to impact the game sufficiently (according to reports).
Armfield has put two very good performances together in the NBs - putting his hand up for recall (replace Buckley?).
Boekhorst should come back through the NBs. Walks also perhaps.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 26, 2016, 05:05:55 pm
x3. Precisely. Jones earned his spot in the seniors and showed composure at critical moments to kick goals. Everitt's performance for the NBs said nothing about demanding attention/recall - failed to impact the game sufficiently (according to reports).
Armfield has put two very good performances together in the NBs - putting his hand up for recall (replace Buckley?).
Boekhorst should come back through the NBs. Walks also perhaps.
What role has Army been playing in the magoos, Baggers?
He only ever really been a defensive forward or tagger in the top side. It will be interesting to see if they have a place for him because I don't know if he'd get a midfield spot.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: blue4life on April 26, 2016, 05:15:51 pm
I think it would send a very poor message if, after playing well in the seconds and performing reasonably in your one outing in the firsts, we were to drop Jones.
The last 10 minutes aside Jones didn't perform reasonably well, until then he had barely touched the ball and missed a simple set shot. That said, if Everitt did nothing or next to nothing in the VFL then he shouldn't play seniors. Our lack of even one decent key forward needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency in the next off season, until it is we won't be going far.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 26, 2016, 05:21:07 pm
The last 10 minutes aside Jones didn't perform reasonably well, until then he had barely touched the ball and missed a simple set shot. That said, if Everitt did nothing or next to nothing in the VFL then he shouldn't play seniors. Our lack of even one decent key forward needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency in the next off season, until it is we won't be going far.
He did perform reasonably well. Did you see the delivery into our forward line?
It's a team game and Jones worked really hard, which had been one of the knocks on him. TV didn't give an indication.
Liam's improvement in the magoos was on the back of being able to run at packs and take marks and working hard. The delivery didn't allow for running at the ball (apart from the Kerridge kick which he marked) so all he could do was pressure and lock the ball in. Which he did.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: BluePhantom on April 26, 2016, 05:21:19 pm
The last 10 minutes aside Jones didn't perform reasonably well, until then he had barely touched the ball and missed a simple set shot. That said, if Everitt did nothing or next to nothing in the VFL then he shouldn't play seniors. Our lack of even one decent key forward needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency in the next off season, until it is we won't be going far.
Let Gibbs be our key forward, he can slot them from 50. ???
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Baggers on April 26, 2016, 05:32:00 pm
What role has Army been playing in the magoos, Baggers?
He only ever really been a defensive forward or tagger in the top side. It will be interesting to see if they have a place for him because I don't know if he'd get a midfield spot.
With Buckley having a calf strain and out for at least a week you'd think that Den would be an ideal replacement as a small, quick, defensive forward. Likes to kick a goal as well and could go for a brief run through the mid-field.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 26, 2016, 05:35:29 pm
With Buckley having a calf strain and out for at least a week you'd think that Den would be an ideal replacement as a small, quick, defensive forward. Likes to kick a goal as well and could go for a brief run through the mid-field.
Didn't know about the calf strain.
Makes sense. Probably him or Tutt I suppose.
Although, against a weakened Bombers, they might be tempted to play a Cuningham or DVR.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: blue4life on April 26, 2016, 05:39:36 pm
I think it would send a very poor message if, after playing well in the seconds and performing reasonably in your one outing in the firsts, we were to drop Jones.
If Bolts rewards places for effort, young Andreas ain't going anywhere. He was non existent on Saturday, wasn't involved and didn't look like he wanted to be.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: townsendcalling on April 26, 2016, 06:21:41 pm
Armfield or Tutt for Buckley will it I think.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: crashlander on April 26, 2016, 08:02:35 pm
These guys have some runs on the board in the VFL, most noticeably in the last 2 weeks. So one of them would be the favourite and would deserve a go. DVR might have been in the picture if he'd had a better game against Port Melbourne.
I would not be bringing Walker directly in. He needs some time to warm up, as his first up effort generally isn't that flash. Everitt has to stay in the VFL until he makes a real contribution, not just talking to the press after the game. I would also bring Boekhorst back via the VFL. He was reasonable before he got injured but is too spasmodic as yet. Let him get 25 - 30 possessions in the VFL and then he makes his won case.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 26, 2016, 08:36:39 pm
No to Tutt....Essendon's modus operandi vs us is to be physical and intimidate, even though they are down on some of their physical personnel I dont expect Worsfiold to change what has been successful vs us .....too many flyweights and boys wont get it done IMO... We need to set the example early and be harder than them and take no prisoners....beating Freo wont mean much if we lose to these maggots....and the worst way to lose would be by being weak and walked all over....
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 26, 2016, 08:40:49 pm
Armfield looks like the only fit option left or perhaps DVJR.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: BluePhantom on April 26, 2016, 08:57:31 pm
No to Tutt....Essendon's modus operandi vs us is to be physical and intimidate, even though they are down on some of their physical personnel I dont expect Worsfiold to change what has been successful vs us .....too many flyweights and boys wont get it done IMO... We need to set the example early and be harder than them and take no prisoners....beating Freo wont mean much if we lose to these maggots....and the worst way to lose would be by being weak and walked all over....
Wise words EB, we need to be strong and bully them and get stuck into that clown Goddard who believes everything that comes out of his mouth. Would love to beat em and beat em well. >:D
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: townsendcalling on April 26, 2016, 09:07:06 pm
No to Tutt....Essendon's modus operandi vs us is to be physical and intimidate, even though they are down on some of their physical personnel I dont expect Worsfiold to change what has been successful vs us .....too many flyweights and boys wont get it done IMO... We need to set the example early and be harder than them and take no prisoners....beating Freo wont mean much if we lose to these maggots....and the worst way to lose would be by being weak and walked all over....
Interesting re the intimidation...I think Bynne, Wright and Kerridge all add extra muscle to the lineup. Casboult, Touhy Docherty (Armfield if in) and Cripps won't take crap. C Curnow has shown that he won't be pushed around and E Curnow will be in if his brother is.
Stokes, Kelly, Daniher, Cooney, Gwilt, Brown, Langford, Parish, Tipungwuti etc don't strike fear into me and are as intimidating as Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Thomas, Jones. The other 'no name brands' mean nothing to me. Zaharakis plays it hard and Goddard is a sniper. If Goddard does start something, put the Irish setters onto him first and work backwards from there.
In that first game against Richmond our tackling and pressure on the man was first rate. Bring that again and they won't have a chance to intimidate.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 26, 2016, 10:19:31 pm
Based on what I saw of us v. Freo I reckon we'll be all over 'em and if anybody's doing any intimidating it'll be us. Have no fear, we'll be out to make a statement IMO.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: flyboy77 on April 27, 2016, 06:57:18 am
Based on what I saw of us v. Freo I reckon we'll be all over 'em and if anybody's doing any intimidating it'll be us. Have no fear, we'll be out to make a statement IMO.
Yeah I reckon BB would have drummed into them more Hawthorn mantra along the those lines. ;D
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: shawny on April 27, 2016, 09:56:18 am
I'm going to this one and hate more then anything losing to these pr1cks.
Haven't had a decent win over them for a few years and lately favourites or not they seem to play well against us. Hopefully change of coach will change this trend.
Cant bare to think of leaving the ground with head down knowing their delusional supporters will be thinking we even beat them when half our team is out!
I know we have a brighter future but really want to win well on Sunday otherwise we can spin it all we want but we will look like their bitches.
I don't ask for much off my team these days but please forking win this one!!!
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Baggers on April 27, 2016, 10:10:27 am
So for me we have the following with the future of our best 22 in Brackets these should ebb and flow based on who is ready sooner or who has improved immensely:
Thats not to say that we wont fling anyone else either who currently is in our best 22, but I get the idea that this is how we should think of our team moving forward.
I reckon Kerridge is a very good addition, & will be for sometime hopefully. He was great at the stoppages on the weekend, fantastic backup for Cripps. Cunningham will have to be something to push him out of the side.
cheers
Mal.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 27, 2016, 10:42:25 am
I hope our players are not thinking the same and are expecting an easy kill cause these pr1cks give there all against us.
Imagine they purposely went out in 2nd gear against the pies to save themselves for a game they really think they were a chance in.......against us.
They lost last week because they played crap. They are ripe for the picking this week. If we lose, we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.
I know I'm in the minority, but I've never really bought into the whole "arch enemy" concept. Malthouse said one thing that I agree with - which is that in a truly national competition, with no or limited zones, various drafts etc. these old territorial battles are a thing of the past. If the players are more "pumped" for this game than any other one, then something is wrong.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: DJC on April 27, 2016, 11:53:27 am
I hope our players are not thinking the same and are expecting an easy kill cause these pr1cks give there all against us.
Imagine they purposely went out in 2nd gear against the pies to save themselves for a game they really think they were a chance in.......against us.
Our players are smarter than that, particularly with Bolton cracking the whip, and I don't think the Essendon players are smart enough to plan for the next game. They thought they were in with a chance against the struggling Magpies and the loss will really get them thinking about how far off the pace they are.
Of course, we have to find a way to kick a winning score.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 27, 2016, 12:06:07 pm
We'll win easy but not by a lot.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 27, 2016, 12:18:11 pm
The Bummers are a week to week proposition and are in survival mode until end of season - that's about as far as their planning probably goes. We need to go out there fully pumped and prepared to put in 100% for 4Qs. If we do that and really pressure them then we should win OK.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Professer E on April 27, 2016, 12:40:13 pm
A loss to this mob is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: shadesy on April 27, 2016, 01:16:58 pm
If they get 55K at this game I reckon they have done well.
The MCC website, which is generally very accurate, states: Expected stadium attendance 45,000
So where are all those 53, 149 loyal Bomber fans?? I would have thought that they would have earmarked this one?? Maybe it will be all our 47, 460 turning up, less a few who can't get a leave pass!!
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Mav on April 27, 2016, 08:13:10 pm
According to THIS AGE ARTICLE (http://THIS AGE ARTICLE), Dylan Buckley is out with a calf, Walker will likely miss this week and return perhaps in the 2nds the week after, Everitt may need to regain form and fitness in the 2nds, Jamo may languish in the 2nds until his form demands a recall, SOSOS is looking good but needs time, and Nick G looks like he'll replace Buckley while Whiley and Tutt are possibles.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: laj on April 27, 2016, 08:28:08 pm
It's one of those games, that they will be up for the fight and we still can't kick enough score.
Prepare yourself and know it's just a bump in the long road.
x2....They dont have much of a defense but we dont have much of an attack....only needs one player from either side to fire up and kick 4+ goals and thats probably going to be enough to win the game.... You would think we would win with Cripps, Murphy etc leading the way but its Essendon which takes some logic out of the equation, we just seem to have a mental barrier when playing them that goes all the way back to Sheedy vs Parkin. They think they can take us no matter what the circumstances and too many times I have seen us fold up in the past to be over confident... I am going to enjoy this win more than the Freo game but I will also be riding every kick until the siren as the Bombers seem to get lucky vs us when it matters.....
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: shawny on April 28, 2016, 07:02:22 am
x2....They dont have much of a defense but we dont have much of an attack....only needs one player from either side to fire up and kick 4+ goals and thats probably going to be enough to win the game.... You would think we would win with Cripps, Murphy etc leading the way but its Essendon which takes some logic out of the equation, we just seem to have a mental barrier when playing them that goes all the way back to Sheedy vs Parkin. They think they can take us no matter what the circumstances and too many times I have seen us fold up in the past to be over confident... I am going to enjoy this win more than the Freo game but I will also be riding every kick until the siren as the Bombers seem to get lucky vs us when it matters.....
I agree with this.
Never confident against this mob. Last week they looked like the bottom side we all know they are but the week prior they pushed the cats till into the last quarter. I watched that game and they wouldn't go away and kept scoring when needed to be close enough to pinch it. The cats class broke them in the last 20mins but was far from easy.
Result this week hinges a lot on which bombers team turns up....
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: pinot on April 28, 2016, 07:04:33 am
we will either lose by under a goal or belt them by 10.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 28, 2016, 07:42:59 am
......... I watched that game and they wouldn't go away and kept scoring when needed to be close enough to pinch it. The cats class broke them in the last 20mins but was far from easy. ....
I watched that game. I thought Geelong treated it without respect and played like they were doing circle work for 3/4. Once Geelong got a bit more serious, and I mean just a bit, they never looked like losing.
Perhaps for some obscure reason Geelong have some empathy for EFC! :o
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: DJC on April 28, 2016, 08:19:32 am
I watched that game. I thought Geelong treated it without respect and played like they were doing circle work for 3/4. Once Geelong got a bit more serious, and I mean just a bit, they never looked like losing.
Perhaps for some obscure reason Geelong have some empathy for EFC! :o
I think the danger in playing Essendon lies in thinking that you're in for an easy win, and I suspect that's what Geelong did.
I can't really see us doing that.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Mav on April 28, 2016, 08:45:46 am
You wouldn't have thought the perennial cellar-dwellers, Melbourne, would have thought they would win easily, but they did.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on April 28, 2016, 09:18:23 am
Has anyone heard the whisper the club is seriously considering a SOSOS debut against the CheatsFC this Sunday afternoon?
I think that would be a waste, you might get a few thousand more Sunday arvo, but on a Friday or Saturday home game at The G you might get 20K more!
But I suppose CheatsFC defense is sorely depleted and would be a good choice for a newbie to get a run against.
Is SOSOS a suitable substitute for Buckley, could he play the small forward role?
If this was the case I would be rapt however on the provisos that the kid has earned a spot and is ready. I am confident the coaches will make the right decision, the days of our club playing guys for marketing purposes (to the detriment of the players development and long term future) are over I reckon.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: crashlander on April 28, 2016, 10:50:10 am
Has anyone heard the whisper the club is seriously considering a SOSOS debut against the CheatsFC this Sunday afternoon?
I think that would be a waste, you might get a few thousand more Sunday arvo, but on a Friday or Saturday home game at The G you might get 20K more!
But I suppose CheatsFC defense is sorely depleted and would be a good choice for a newbie to get a run against.
Is SOSOS a suitable substitute for Buckley, could he play the small forward role?
Young Jack doesn't have Buckley's pace, but he would make every possession count. And close to goal he would be a chance to get on the scoreboard. He chases and smothers very well: he made goals in the VFL from his chases and smothers just last week.
I would probably wait until next time, to be honest. He just played his first proper VFL game and got 12 possessions. Give him time.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 28, 2016, 11:07:47 am
I would have said there was not a snowballs chance but I thought that about Plowman and Sumner.
I didn't think C Curnow would come in so early either.
Who knows. I wouldn't think he would though.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: shadesy on April 28, 2016, 11:22:10 am
Bombers were keen on in, show them what they missed out on.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Mav on April 28, 2016, 12:35:08 pm
Not sure they were all that interested. CFC feared EFC would use an early pick on him and force a hard decision on whether to match it. That never happened. When EFC finally called his name out when they had a pick in the 50s, it was just a joke between list managers as CFC lost absolutely nothing by matching it. Dodoro and SOS were laughing.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: shadesy on April 28, 2016, 12:37:51 pm
Not sure they were all that interested. CFC feared EFC would use an early pick on him and force a hard decision on whether to match it. That never happened. When EFC finally called his name out when they had a pick in the 50s, it was just a joke between list managers as CFC lost absolutely nothing by matching it. Dodoro and SOS were laughing.
The Journey suggested that a chat between Bolton and SOS suggested the Bombers were keen.
I believe in the end it was a joke, but they did interview him I believe.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: townsendcalling on April 28, 2016, 12:45:09 pm
The Journey suggested that a chat between Bolton and SOS suggested the Bombers were keen.
I believe in the end it was a joke, but they did interview him I believe.
I'd imagine the chat went something like: EFC: If we draft you, are you going to go to either do a Tim Watson and refuse to report for duty or leave after 2 years and join Carlton? SOSOS: Yes. EFC: OK. Thanks for talking to us.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: PaulP on April 28, 2016, 01:02:48 pm
The Journey suggested that a chat between Bolton and SOS suggested the Bombers were keen.
I believe in the end it was a joke, but they did interview him I believe.
Yes, I think I read somewhere that the EFC recruiter (what's his name - Dodoro ?), and SOS are mates, and Jack's EFC interview was a bit of chain yanking.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 28, 2016, 01:17:17 pm
Well we are not the favorites with the punters which is good I reckon
Early Mark: Punters back Essendon to defeat Carlton, GWS upset on cards 37 minutes ago Herald Sun
CARLTON’S winning run will stop at one if betting moves are on the money.
The Blues broke through for their first win of the season against Fremantle last week and are hoping to make it two in a row when they face Essendon on Sunday.
The Bombers were demolished by Collingwood on Anzac Day but that hasn’t stopped punters backing them to keep Carlton at the foot of the ladder.
Meanwhile, an upset could be on the cards when GWS faces Hawthorn and one punter is keeping faith in the Tigers.
WHO’S HOT
Melbourne ($1.58)
Punters seemingly think that the Demons have turned the corner and are now a bankable team — 91 per cent of the market against the Saints has gone on Melbourne.
GWS Giants ($2.45)
An upset has been tipped in this one, with an amazing 85 per cent of the market going on the Giants to beat Hawthorn. As a result the Hawks have drifted from $1.50 to $1.55.
Essendon ($2.95)
In perhaps the strangest twist for the week, punters are backing Essendon to beat Carlton in the potential battle for the wooden spoon, with 71 per cent of the market going on the Bombers.
Punters say Carlton’s joy will be short-lived. Picture: Daniel Wilkins WHO’S NOT
Western Bulldogs ($2.15)
It’s the battle for top spot but punters think injuries will finally catch up with the Bulldogs, with only 14 per cent of the market going on them. They have drifted from $1.95 to $2.15.
Richmond ($1.80)
They may be favourites, but punters have had enough of the Tigers — only 37 per cent of bets are on Richmond against Port Adelaide despite this game being played at the MCG.
West Coast ($1.12)
Despite being clear favourites punters are showing no interest in the Eagles, who hold 43 per cent of the market, instead having a look at Collingwood at a good price of $6.25.
WHAT THE?
At least on TAB punter is convinced the Tigers can turn around their season, this week punting $20 at $101 on Richmond to win the flag.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: PaulP on April 28, 2016, 01:24:52 pm
EFC's latest recruiting was all about being able to field a competitive side in the short term. There's no question that on paper, they have more experience, more proven class, harder bodies etc.
How this translates on game day is anyone's guess, but on paper the favoritism is deserved.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 28, 2016, 01:25:48 pm
I'd love to go in as underdog.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 28, 2016, 01:30:57 pm
EFC's latest recruiting was all about being able to field a competitive side in the short term. There's no question that on paper, they have more experience, more proven class, harder bodies etc.
How this translates on game day is anyone's guess, but on paper the favoritism is deserved.
I think we are favourites ($1.35) but a lot of money has gone to the Bombers recently.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: madbluboy on April 28, 2016, 01:33:52 pm
Carlton 1.37 Essendon 3.10
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: PaulP on April 28, 2016, 01:50:02 pm
I'm not a batting man. Are these odds constantly changing right up until kick off ?
I'm surprised by those odds.
Yes, they are dynamically adjusted and can change up until the close of betting. Also the markets are usually pretty small, one large punter can change the odds dramatically.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: PaulP on April 28, 2016, 02:01:28 pm
Not Head to Head, mostly for CheatsFC to be within 19.5 points. Punters are saying Carlton should win but not by much.
Yes, they are dynamically adjusted and can change up until the close of betting. Also the markets are usually pretty small, one large punter can change the odds dramatically.
Thanks LP.
Yes, I was wrong. Seems the Blues are favorites at the moment. Carey and Campbell Brown also both back the Blues. Still don't agree. Anyhow..........
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: madbluboy on April 28, 2016, 02:05:11 pm
No I don't remember them. But unfortunately, i remember game well enough.
I'm not much of a gambler either but I was in the bar before the game and overheard some Carlton punters saying the odds were ridiculous considering they were undefeated as well.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on April 28, 2016, 02:14:25 pm
Charlie Curnow out with 'illness' 3 days before the game.......that doesn't sound good.
It might be code for celebration of a win interstate.
Personally I'm glad this mob like to go after our young players and it's time we repaid the favour by ensuring parish and Francis have a navy blue headache each time they play us
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: pinot on April 28, 2016, 07:56:53 pm
Byrne Cripps Docherty I like the centreline a lot.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 28, 2016, 09:01:31 pm
If this was the case I would be rapt however on the provisos that the kid has earned a spot and is ready. I am confident the coaches will make the right decision, the days of our club playing guys for marketing purposes (to the detriment of the players development and long term future) are over I reckon.
hmm don't think so. I got a call from SOSOS the day after he was drafted to sign up as a member :o
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LP on April 29, 2016, 02:19:39 pm
hmm don't think so. I got a call from SOSOS the day after he was drafted to sign up as a member :o
Thats totally completely different to what I wrote. I said actually playing kids like SOS who aren't ready (form and maturity) just to get a crowd and extra membership or two.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: spf on April 29, 2016, 04:58:06 pm
He's probably one of our best kicks for goal too.... get him in the forward line ffs
Yep agree, we should definitely give him a run forward, he does run and mark reasonably well and can really hurt with his foot skills. Playing off a wing and driving inside 50 could be the next move for him and then you've got a player with defensive pressure (experience) who can move up and down the ground.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Baggers on April 29, 2016, 05:10:56 pm
In: Armfield, Graham
Emerg: White, Tutt, Jamison.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: pinot on April 29, 2016, 05:21:35 pm
Happy to see Puss get another chance... but of bite around the packs with two good inclusions. Hopefully tackling count improves
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: DJC on April 29, 2016, 05:22:11 pm
Don't mind those ins, but I would've liked White to do a lock down / run with role on Goddard. Those two would get along swimmingly.
Gibbs might get Goddard...of course the Bombers have picked the three ins... Crowley, Simpkin and Polkinghorne..reckon the former and the latter might be acquainting themselves with Cripps at some stage.... I would have had White in as this game might get a bit nasty...
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Amers on April 30, 2016, 01:06:31 am
Charlie Curnow out with 'illness' 3 days before the game.......that doesn't sound good.
Have you seen Bolts pre-match interview, what he said about Charlie came across to me as Charlie is a young player who has worn himself out and needs a rest. Nothing sinister, just managing his work/play load.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 30, 2016, 08:51:32 am
Someone should go straight to Crowley and knock him clean out! >:D ;)
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Jeffy38 on April 30, 2016, 09:00:09 am
Have you seen Bolts pre-match interview, what he said about Charlie came across to me as Charlie is a young player who has worn himself out and needs a rest. Nothing sinister, just managing his work/play load.
So why not rested? Just call it what it is...
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: PaulP on April 30, 2016, 09:57:10 am
Gibbs might get Goddard...of course the Bombers have picked the three ins... Crowley, Simpkin and Polkinghorne..reckon the former and the latter might be acquainting themselves with Cripps at some stage.... I would have had White in as this game might get a bit nasty...
If Gibbs can shut down Goddard, and be creative as well, that would be a huge win IMO. If he can't do both roles, it seems a waste to use him solely as a tagger.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Amers on April 30, 2016, 12:10:04 pm
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 30, 2016, 05:04:52 pm
Grahams selection can only mean he wasnt dropped for poor form, rather not suited to Subi and/or no match up for him last week. To be recalled this week without playing in the twos at all confirms this to me.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on April 30, 2016, 05:09:57 pm
Grahams selection can only mean he wasnt dropped for poor form, rather not suited to Subi and/or no match up for him last week. To be recalled this week without playing in the twos at all confirms this to me.
He may not have been judged as "poor" GTC, just others better than him atm. :)
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 30, 2016, 05:10:57 pm
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: blue4life on April 30, 2016, 05:49:07 pm
Goal kicking is still a worry but we should win this easily. Murphy, Cripps, Ed, Wright, Kerridge, Kreuzer and Gibbs will be too good for anything Essendon can throw up in the middle and our back 6 is playing OK. If Jones and Casboult can hit the scoreboard we'll win by 8 or 10 goals, but it's a big if.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Thryleon on April 30, 2016, 07:01:05 pm
Grahams selection can only mean he wasnt dropped for poor form, rather not suited to Subi and/or no match up for him last week. To be recalled this week without playing in the twos at all confirms this to me.
Everyone forgets that Graham and boekhorst are only playing their second and third seasons of footy respectively and haven't quite worked their way up to peak condition and fitness yet.
Most senior players carry some sort of restrictions and few would be 100%.
Only a few can do it early.
Sometimes giving them a week off to refresh is all they need.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: LoveNavy on April 30, 2016, 08:27:25 pm
Everyone forgets that Graham and boekhorst are only playing their second and third seasons of footy respectively and haven't quite worked their way up to peak condition and fitness yet.
Most senior players carry some sort of restrictions and few would be 100%.
Only a few can do it early.
Sometimes giving them a week off to refresh is all they need.
I'd have thought this applies even more so for 1st yr players. Wouldn't be surprised if any of the youngsters were managed this way (or any oldies for that matter). The Cats just "rested" hendo...
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Jeffy38 on April 30, 2016, 10:15:25 pm
Chris kaias on Twitter suggesting Cripps is out with soreness. If true that's massive????
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: DJC on April 30, 2016, 10:47:58 pm
"AFL advises Andrejis Everitt has replaced Michael Jamison as one of Carlton's emergencies for tomorrow's rd game v Essendon."
Interesting. Everitt has already played a half with the Northern Blues. Wouldn't bother to make a change if Everitt wasn't going to be used.
I think I have worked this out ???
Jamison was concussed and unable to fulfil his role as emergency. Of course, as Jamison played in the NBs, he wouldn't have been used as a late replacement, that role falling to White and Tutt. Jamison must have been deemed unlikely to pass the concussion test and the club was required to nominate a replacement emergency. They went with Everitt, but did so very confident that he won't be required.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Jeffy38 on May 01, 2016, 09:09:13 am
Jamison was concussed and unable to fulfil his role as emergency. Of course, as Jamison played in the NBs, he wouldn't have been used as a late replacement, that role falling to White and Tutt. Jamison must have been deemed unlikely to pass the concussion test and the club was required to nominate a replacement emergency. They went with Everitt, but did so very confident that he won't be required.
Hmm. Plot thickens. If Cripps is out of expect white to come in
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: bratblue on May 01, 2016, 09:29:28 am
Last week the rumor was Cripps and Murphy.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: age on May 01, 2016, 10:08:12 am
Cripps and Weitering out for Tutt and White.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on May 01, 2016, 10:09:24 am
Not fussed if these 2 miss, this is a must win irrespective of who we put out on the park. Go Blues!!!
Even money this game if these 2 are late outs.
I know we just can't fathom losing to these cheating pr1cks but fact is both teams have bottom 4 lists and while we are better with a full list - take a major extractor like Cripps out and that evens up the ledger. Whichever team wants it more will get the points.
Tutt and White in for Cripps and Weitering is a massive drop in class.
Hope its just talk.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cimm1979 on May 01, 2016, 11:51:23 am
If he's got a calf, our training and conditioning staff need to be looked at. That's about 6 calf strains and 5 hamstrings this year already.
It's not just a Carlton thing, and we have no problem with the fitness staff, just like there was no problem with the strength and conditioning staff back in Rnd 4 2012.
This issue is across the AFL and it is due to the increased high speed non-stop running under the influence of the new rules. Players are actually leaving the field tired and fatigued this season, who'd have thunk it, but what a joy it is to watch!
On a related issue. Did anyone see that uber-goose Geoff Walsh having a crack at Norp's club doctor? What a fecking Luddite and moron Walsh must be! He thinks badgering a doctor about an injured player makes the players fitter and healthier. That is the sort of attitude that led to CheatsFC looking for shortcuts! Clubs need to keep imbeciles with attitudes like Walsh as far away from the playing group as possible.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: cookie2 on May 01, 2016, 12:15:47 pm
@LP
Apparently, those who have an IQ between 0 and 25 are idiots; IQs between 26 and 50 are considered imbeciles; and those who have an IQ between 51 and 70 are considered morons.
Question for you - do you think you may be over estimating Walsh? :))
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Jofo on May 01, 2016, 01:15:52 pm
Rumour on 3AW that Cripps and Weitering are out.????
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Jofo on May 01, 2016, 01:17:45 pm
Rumour on 3AW that Cripps and Weitering are out.????
Out because they are injured / ill, or rested in the interests of player management, because the coaches think this is an easy kill,or because they don't mind losing ?
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Jeffy38 on May 01, 2016, 01:54:58 pm
Cripps out for white.
Bugger it to hell.
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Brettie on May 01, 2016, 01:57:03 pm
Damn, looks last week week is our solitary win for the year then.....
Title: Re: Rd 6: Pre Game Palaver: Carlton vs. Essendon
Post by: Sexybronco on May 01, 2016, 02:00:20 pm