Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #180 – April 27, 2023, 10:08:55 am Quote from: PaulP – on April 27, 2023, 10:03:39 amI can see the similarity and I can see the potential for De Koning to develop into a Blicavs type ruck man, but we need patience. You don’t need to look back too far to see that Blicavs was labelled a spud by all and sundry. And now regarded as one of their most important players.We are sh!zen at Carlton when it comes to assessing the long term viability of players, we seem to think the rate of rise somehow is a measure of the peak value, too many stock brokers in the chain of decision making.If the rate of rise meant anything Walsh would have three Brownlows and be getting 50 possies a game by now. A player like Walsh was at 100% from day one, but he can never be more than 100% no matter how long he plays! He can't even greatly improve on consistency because he's already well above average. Quote Selected Last Edit: April 27, 2023, 10:10:36 am by LP
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #181 – April 27, 2023, 01:59:18 pm Id be a bit inventive and give TDK a start at CHB and give Young a run in the ruck depending on the opposition.....both have been down of late and Id be trying to challenge them in a new role but just on a short term basis then return them to their normal roles if their form improves. One thing I like about McRae's coaching is he doesnt let things ride during games and moves his players around and likes to challenge his players in different roles to get a lift all be it forced in some cases by injuries but a lot of the time to change momentum and initiate those fightbacks we see. Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: crashlander
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #182 – April 27, 2023, 04:04:41 pm Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 27, 2023, 01:59:18 pmId be a bit inventive and give TDK a start at CHB and give Young a run in the ruck depending on the opposition.....both have been down of late and Id be trying to challenge them in a new role but just on a short term basis then return them to their normal roles if their form improves. One thing I like about McRae's coaching is he doesnt let things ride during games and moves his players around and likes to challenge his players in different roles to get a lift all be it forced in some cases by injuries but a lot of the time to change momentum and initiate those fightbacks we see. I would like to see us do a lot more of this. It was one of the things both Parkin and Barassi did with effect. If someone was having a bad day, move them into another role and see what happened. Some of those moves have entered folklore! I want to see more of that in a our present team. Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: ElwoodBlues1
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #183 – April 27, 2023, 04:50:28 pm Quote from: crashlander – on April 27, 2023, 04:04:41 pm I would like to see us do a lot more of this. It was one of the things both Parkin and Barassi did with effect. If someone was having a bad day, move them into another role and see what happened. Some of those moves have entered folklore! I want to see more of that in a our present team.Yes and no.The game in “the old days” was more about individuals, today it’s more about team.If you don’t position where your teammates expect you to be you will be exposing them to being opened up and exposed.Flooding, pressing etc, I don’t think it’s as easy to swing the magnets as it was, not that it cannot be done but there may be more robbing of Peter to pay Paul. Quote Selected
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #184 – April 27, 2023, 05:28:15 pm Quote from: northernblue – on April 27, 2023, 04:50:28 pmYes and no.The game in “the old days” was more about individuals, today it’s more about team.If you don’t position where your teammates expect you to be you will be exposing them to being opened up and exposed.Flooding, pressing etc, I don’t think it’s as easy to swing the magnets as it was, not that it cannot be done but there may be more robbing of Peter to pay Paul.I think when you are down the coach has to pull some moves out to spark the team, Collingwood seem to do it every week in their comebacks and Lyon won the game by moving professional Carlton nuisance Sinclair into the middle.Im not sure what we did to arrest the situation but I'd prefer to see Voss try something rather than look like what Ratten and Bolton did when they resembled stunned mullets. I think in the old days you had coaches like Tom Hafey who was famous for persisting with the same players in the same positions for the whole game and lived in hope and great faith they would lift because as you say it was more about individuals vs individuals ie Southby would play on McKenna or Southby vs Wade and those matchups stayed that way but the new modern fast moving game has more coaches looking at more options and the laptops are working overtime to move the magnets to get an edge. Voss made some nice prematch moves to curb Wilkie for example and I gave him a tick for that but I felt when the game is fluid and moving fast he struggles tactically unlike McRae and Lyon who seem adept at changing momentum. Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: northernblue
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #185 – April 28, 2023, 02:26:03 pm Really disappointed in TDK but he is still a young ruck and many are perhaps getting impatient, rightly so.Not sure whether his current output can be put down to form or ability.If its form you keep if its ability you trade. I don't see what coaches see on training track. Quote Selected
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #186 – April 28, 2023, 04:39:39 pm Quote from: pinot – on April 28, 2023, 02:26:03 pmReally disappointed in TDK but he is still a young ruck and many are perhaps getting impatient, rightly so.Not sure whether his current output can be put down to form or ability.If its form you keep if its ability you trade. I don't see what coaches see on training track.When you break the clubs drinking policy when you are rehabbing or resting, you play in the 2s. Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: ElwoodBlues1
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #187 – April 28, 2023, 05:07:41 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 28, 2023, 04:39:39 pmWhen you break the clubs drinking policy when you are rehabbing or resting, you play in the 2s.Is that what happened? Quote Selected
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #188 – April 28, 2023, 06:25:29 pm Quote from: pinot – on April 28, 2023, 05:07:41 pmIs that what happened? He was rested, the club said he had been ill and sore. He was seen (and photographed) drinking in Geel with this his brother and Geelong players. The club was allegedly made aware of this, it is likely to be a breach of rehab rules/standards for players. He isn't playing ones so its pretty easy to join the dots, to me at least. As I said, if true, I know the bloke is young but he's an idiot. Quote Selected 3 Likes Liked by: LordLucifer, ElwoodBlues1, pinot
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #189 – April 28, 2023, 06:43:40 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 28, 2023, 06:25:29 pmHe was rested, the club said he had been ill and sore. He was seen (and photographed) drinking in Geel with this his brother and Geelong players. The club was allegedly made aware of this, it is likely to be a breach of rehab rules/standards for players. He isn't playing ones so its pretty easy to join the dots, to me at least. As I said, if true, I know the bloke is young but he's an idiot.I dont expect our players to be monks, in the old days you could get on the piss and feck around as long as you performed at game time. Not everyone can be a Pro to the level Sam Walsh can and I accept that, but TDK isnt playing well and hasnt earned the right to party on especially with opposition players. If you are going to get on the fizz then do it with our players providing you are tearing it up and have something to celebrate.. Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: Gointocarlton
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #190 – April 28, 2023, 07:39:14 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 28, 2023, 06:25:29 pmHe was rested, the club said he had been ill and sore. He was seen (and photographed) drinking in Geel with this his brother and Geelong players. The club was allegedly made aware of this, it is likely to be a breach of rehab rules/standards for players. He isn't playing ones so its pretty easy to join the dots, to me at least. As I said, if true, I know the bloke is young but he's an idiot.So whats Geelongs first pick in this years draft? Quote Selected
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #191 – April 29, 2023, 10:00:03 am Quote from: pinot – on April 28, 2023, 07:39:14 pmSo whats Geelongs first pick in this years draft?Doesn't matter. We'll take this years and next years. That'd do it. Quote Selected
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #192 – April 29, 2023, 12:14:40 pm Quote from: kruddler – on April 29, 2023, 10:00:03 amDoesn't matter. We'll take this years and next years. That'd do it.For who, ............... the bloke you claim is over-rated?So what is it, is he worth two 1st Round picks or not?I suspect most fans want TDK out because the long term alternative is too shocking to think about for them, after all most fans are in fact that, fans.It stands out on here as the thing never mentioned! Quote Selected
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #193 – April 29, 2023, 01:05:02 pm Quote from: LP – on April 29, 2023, 12:14:40 pmFor who, ............... the bloke you claim is over-rated?So what is it, is he worth two 1st Round picks or not?I suspect most fans want TDK out because the long term alternative is too shocking to think about for them, after all most fans are in fact that, fans.It stands out on here as the thing never mentioned!Watching him run around in the twos today, I'd say he isn't worth the steam of my crap. Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: Slowhand
Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ?? Reply #194 – April 29, 2023, 05:30:16 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 29, 2023, 01:05:02 pmWatching him run around in the twos today, I'd say he isn't worth the steam of my crap.He looks like he isnt interested and I can only think he knows his long term future is elsewhere.. Quote Selected