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Reply #3270 –
Personally they are both perfect candidates and distract the populace from the oligarchs that run America.  They're the perfect foil.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #3271 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I didn't see anyone getting too worked up about the USA marching into Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein.

Those are the "good guys" invading.  In war there are no good guys. Only victims.

There's the good old brand of freedom being dished out by the USA that no one cares about.  Until they do.  Ukraine or Russia makes no difference.   There is no what next. There is no slippery slope.  All there is is the next war for the next Territory or resource which will continue for eternity whilst people walk the earth.

Ukraine should have minimal impact by regime change in the states and has nothing to do with the price of fish because that war or proxy war lives and dies by NATO.  The end.

They said “let him have Poland, it will make him happy and bring peace to us all” (as long as you’re not Polish…)
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #3272 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
They said “let him have Poland, it will make him happy and bring peace to us all” (as long as you’re not Polish…)

So we don't get confused about why I'm saying this, Trump was the first person to recognise Jerusalem as belonging to Israel.  Look how THAT turned out.

Stopping Russia in Ukraine today is not the same thing and it is no reason to sway the election.

This isn't about Ukraine it's about Russia.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #3273 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
So we don't get confused about why I'm saying this, Trump was the first person to recognise Jerusalem as belonging to Israel.  Look how THAT turned out.

Stopping Russia in Ukraine today is not the same thing and it is no reason to sway the election.

This isn't about Ukraine it's about Russia.

And allowing Russia to “win” in Ukraine, how does that advance world peace ?
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #3274 –
And to expand on myself “Hi, I’m a bully and I want what you have”
“Tomorrow I think I’ll have what someone else has”

I’m no particular fan of America but they usually try to give the country back to its people… *actual results may vary…
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #3275 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
And allowing Russia to “win” in Ukraine, how does that advance world peace ?
omg in the context of an election what difference does this make?

Do you think im saying pull out or put in?

Do you think this factor should be a reason to vote one way or the other?

I dont.  I think the USA should mind its own business and I think most people on this forum see Biden vs Trump and have extrapolated some Byzantine complex scenario where one or the other changes the fortune of that nation (which it doesnt).  No matter how much aid Ukraine gets today Russia will invade it again at any time.

These places have been in dispute for 100s of years and they will remain that way.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #3276 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Before Trump became president everyone was saying he's dangerous and he will start all of these wars but the opposite happened.
Wars don't start in weeks or months, the build up takes years.

What's happening now is a build up that continued right through the Trump era and probably started well before it, he did nothing to arrest it. He was basically asleep at the wheel!

FFS, Trump openly admits to not reading the reports he is provided by officials in government, he gets the bulk of his updates off late night TV. That puts him in the same big fruitcake category with Mel Gibson and Sly Stalone! :o

If the US wants a celebrity in the White House they'd be better off voting in Mr Bean, even though he'd make similar blunders and also lie about it, he wouldn't do so maliciously like Trump will!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3277 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
omg in the context of an election what difference does this make?

Do you think im saying pull out or put in?

Do you think this factor should be a reason to vote one way or the other?

I dont.  I think the USA should mind its own business and I think most people on this forum see Biden vs Trump and have extrapolated some Byzantine complex scenario where one or the other changes the fortune of that nation (which it doesnt).  No matter how much aid Ukraine gets today Russia will invade it again at any time.

Sorry, I see democratic, non territorial expansionist nations as having major concerns with out friend Mr Putin and expect them to put their shoulder to the grindstone to help defend nations such as Ukraine from neighborhood bullies.
You claim to be a student of history but seem to think Putin will stop at Ukraine ? Let’s not forget Crimea, but where will he next turn his sights ?
The only way to stop your friend Mr Putin is a sword at his throat, nothing less.
History is your friend.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #3278 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Sorry, I see democratic, non territorial expansionist nations as having major concerns with out friend Mr Putin and expect them to put their shoulder to the grindstone to help defend nations such as Ukraine from neighborhood bullies.
You claim to be a student of history but seem to think Putin will stop at Ukraine ? Let’s not forget Crimea, but where will he next turn his sights ?
The only way to stop your friend Mr Putin is a sword at his throat, nothing less.
History is your friend.
Why is Mr putin my friend?

What does any of this have to do with Biden vs Trump?

My argument is that the two discussions are not mutually exclusive.

I dont believe the USA will change foreign policy irrespective of who's president.

I think you guys are bonkers for thinking this could be a result, and the president is just a puppet spokesman not a dictator.

Also in closing the USA arms more people for conflict for their own profit than for any noble cause.  You could argue that all their interference in the middle east has fueled the whole reason Russia invaded the Ukraine to begin with.  Are you a student of history?  All of this is a continuation of past conflicts, not new.

Apparently external parties blew up a gas pipeline which resulted in another reason for Russia to take on Ukraine. That's from someone I know serving in HMAS services.  
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #3279 –
Putin is the greatest leader of the 21st century anything else and you have been drinking coolaid

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Reply #3280 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Putin is the greatest leader of the 21st century anything else and you have been drinking coolaid
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Reply #3281 –
Currently there is a prime example of where Trump has taken global politics, to the very very bottom of the barrel!

At the moment there in the lead-up to a general election in India, voters are being bombarded with fake news, AI generated garbage, and all sorts of social media sh1zen. When the conventional mainstream media in India made an issue of it, exposing the fakery, the politicians refused to oppose it effectively ticking it off as a legitimate campaign tactic.

Trump willingness to allow foreign interference in the US elections, his open and active spread of disinformation, his blatant lies, is now setting the entire planet onto a course that can't possible end well.

What Trump does is a modern day equivalent of Mao's War on Sparrows!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3283 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
His whole political history is a prime example of this, surely ?


...in fact his whole life history...
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Reply #3284 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
His whole political history is a prime example of this, surely ?


Yep, the evolution of empires through history, is that they get to a point where the progression ends, critical mass occurs, and then society hits the skids, class division widens until the revolution comes again, or something more drastic like wars and then a reformation begins if a conquering doesnt occur.  We are reaching that tipping point again, where the masses are getting sick of told by people who have no concept of what being a battler is, to suck it up and tighten your belts.  "let them eat cake" said Marie Antoinette.  Thats grand, but it doesnt help when you cannot feed your family, pay your electric bills, find a job, or afford to do anything but exist. 

We arent quite there yet here in the land of Aus, because we still have the capability of migration fuelling growth, but once that becomes unsustainable, look out.

Its ok, they will server their term, and ride the gravy train into retirement with a fully staffed office of 50 people, and a 400k a year pension whilst we wont even get to retire, and if we do, our means tested situation will ensure either we live off our own steam, or we get a pension that can barely afford to keep the power on where we will rug up rather than heat the house during winter.  Sounds fair.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson