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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #210 –
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1207181/been-there-done-that-how-contenders-rank-for-finals-experience
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Players with finals experience
Carlton - 29
Sydney - 28
Brisbane - 27
Port Adelaide - 26
Greater Western Sydney - 26
Western Bulldogs - 24
Geelong - 23
Hawthorn - 13

Would not have picked us as having the most finals players, but it makes sense since last year we were working through a few injuries during our finals series.....plus the addition of Fantasia.

Obvoiusly, overall they have played a lot less games than most of the other teams, but given the crowds we played in front of last year (and even this year H+A). There wouldn't be too many players that have experienced that kind of finals atmosphere like we have.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #211 –
voss and co have to come up with different game plan especially f50 entry like i have been saying for 2 yrs we need to change the LONG f.... BOMB to our fwds that is our downfall ,opposition just set up and away they go

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #212 –
Quote from: DJC – on
If Doc does a knee again, it’s equally likely to be at training as it is to be during a game.

The graft is not going to get any stronger or weaker and his quadriceps and hamstrings will be as strong as they can get.

Fingers crossed though 🤞
Alot more stress on it during a game, even more so a final. I didn't want him in until next year. He's done 3 knees already, just 6 months since the last one, so he can be a little prone to them, hasn't played in 6 months, then coming in for a big final. Surely we can all see the risk.

Wouldn't be like Carlton to rush blokes back only for repeat injuries this year, surely.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #213 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
voss and co have to come up with different game plan especially f50 entry like i have been saying for 2 yrs we need to change the LONG f.... BOMB to our fwds that is our downfall ,opposition just set up and away they go

No coach has that plan. You are forced into it by not being  able to run the ball in deep enough. Can be a lack of run by us, or opposition pressure, or both.

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Reply #214 –
You can kick the ball long quickly to one on ones you have to back in our talls to at least bring it to ground.
Opposition tend to run back and flood that 60-35 meter range to stop easy forward entries. Sometimes you just have to kick it long.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #215 –
Doc has been selected because he is ready to go. Even if he starts as the sub, he has to be able to play 4 qtrs as someone could get injured at the opening bounce (pray that's not the case). As I have said, with players like Doc you back in every day of the week. They would not have selected him if he wasn't ready or couldn't make us better.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #216 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
voss and co have to come up with different game plan especially f50 entry like i have been saying for 2 yrs we need to change the LONG f.... BOMB to our fwds that is our downfall ,opposition just set up and away they go

Every team in the competition kicks long bombs to their forwards.  When you’ve got two of the best marks in your forward line, you’d be crazy not to kick the ball to their advantage.

Remember the Acres mark and goal to beat Melbourne?  If Doc hadn’t bombed the ball in we would have lost the game.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #217 –
Quote from: laj – on
Alot more stress on it during a game, even more so a final. I didn't want him in until next year. He's done 3 knees already, just 6 months since the last one, so he can be a little prone to them, hasn't played in 6 months, then coming in for a big final. Surely we can all see the risk.

Wouldn't be like Carlton to rush blokes back only for repeat injuries this year, surely.

I was more worried about him getting injured when his teammates set on him in the pool.

If Doc’s rehab has been as thorough and carefully planned as reported, he’ll be as good to go now as he would be next season.  He is prone to ACLs and there’s nothing you can do about that.  He could tear it again slipping on wet tiles or putting the bins out.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #218 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I was more worried about him getting injured when his teammates set on him in the pool.

If Doc’s rehab has been as thorough and carefully planned as reported, he’ll be as good to go now as he would be next season.  He is prone to ACLs and there’s nothing you can do about that.  He could tear it again slipping on wet tiles or putting the bins out.
More likely to do it under the stress of a big final where there is constant twisting and turning under real pressure. Never mind rationalising it. It'd also likely be alot stronger round 1 next year

We have stuffed everything injury-wise, bringing blokes back on for them to re-injure themselves on multiple occasions. So excuse me if I have no faith in our medical and fitness people. It is a big risk, both on the re-injure count and match fit count.
 

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Reply #219 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Every team in the competition kicks long bombs to their forwards.  When you’ve got two of the best marks in your forward line, you’d be crazy not to kick the ball to their advantage.

Remember the Acres mark and goal to beat Melbourne?  If Doc hadn’t bombed the ball in we would have lost the game.
There's the long kick to position when it is open after quick movement, or the long bomb as a last resort to the forward covered by half the defence.

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Reply #220 –
Quote from: laj – on
There's the long kick to position when it is open after quick movement, or the long bomb as a last resort to the forward covered by half the defence.

Correct.
Long bomb to advantage v long bomb to disadvantage...
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #221 –
St Kilda lead the league for marks inside 50 after Max King got injured.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #222 –
Ok, fresh from Hoyne on SEN. Here is what we need to do to have a chance. When Lions face teams that apply pressure over the 180 rating, they only win 40% of the time. We have exceeded this rating in 20 out of our 23 games. 1 ÷ 1 =: 2  We're home!  Go Blues.

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Reply #223 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
St Kilda lead the league for marks inside 50 after Max King got injured.

Carlton are 12th for the year.

41.3% of our marks inside 50 come from Harry/Charlie.
45.6% if you include TDK.

Most Mi50 we've had this year is 17 against the giants in R6. (19pt win)
The game where each of Harry/Charlie/TDK kicked 3 each and had 3 Mi50 each.

Our next best game was 16 Mi50 - Against Tigers in 10 goal win - Harry/Charlie had 5 and kicked 4 (TDK didn't play) Elijah had 4,

Our next best was 15 which we've done 4 times
R7 vs cats - (13pt loss)
R11 vs suns - (29pt win)
R18 vs dogs - (14pt loss)
R23 vs Eagles - (65pt win) - No harry/charlie/tdk

Mi50 don't seem to mean wins.
Mi50 don't have to be done by the talls.

FWIW, Charlie and Harry are 8th and 9th in the league for Mi50.

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #224 –
OK folks, so here is the VERY early oil I have on selection.
Ins : Cerra, Doc, McGovern, McKay and  ..... Martin (as the sub)
Outs : Binns, Carroll, Lord, Moir & Owies.
Charlie couldn't get up nor could TDK and  Williams
Disappointing that none of the young blokes get a run and somehow Motlop and Fantasia survive. Needless to say if we lose the MC will cop a fair bit of criticism and rightfully so.