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Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #60 –
A lot of ifs buts and maybes, the proof in the pudding will be in the eating when we start playing footy.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #63 –
IMO Ollie Hollands needs to be removed from the wing as he loses almost all of his 1 v 1 battles.

Wing is too important... Acres + Cotts + Doc is enough. Ollie needs to be retrained and mould Saad as a ground ball get and intercept player.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #64 –
Quote from: pinot – on
IMO Ollie Hollands needs to be removed from the wing as he loses almost all of his 1 v 1 battles.

Wing is too important... Acres + Cotts + Doc is enough. Ollie needs to be retrained and mould Saad as a ground ball get and intercept player.

I'm not sure how you formed that view but it certainly doesn't gel with what you see here:

YouTube video:
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Yes, it is a highlights package but it tallies with my observations that Ollie wins or halves most one on one contests, forces lots of turnovers, gets way more of his share of spoils and creates plenty of opportunities for his teammates with his ball use.

I'm not sure what a "ground ball get and intercept player" does but Saad is preparing for his eleventh season and 200th game and I don't think that you could "mould" him into anything other than what you get now ... and why would you want to change that?
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #65 –
Quote from: Sub-Zero – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Stats show they have never lost a ruck contest too.
Does that make them the best rucks the game has ever seen? Or does it depend on where they play?
Just a question here, but have they ever played in the ruck?
Does it matter who or where they play? Or do we just pick on stats?
That's the point MBB was making which appears to be lost.

Kemp may lose more contests than others, is that because he is no good or is it because he is being pushed into a role he cannot possibly succeed in?

Blame the list management team for his 1v1 numbers.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #66 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: pinot – on
IMO Ollie Hollands needs to be removed from the wing as he loses almost all of his 1 v 1 battles.

Wing is too important... Acres + Cotts + Doc is enough. Ollie needs to be retrained and mould Saad as a ground ball get and intercept player.

I'm not sure how you formed that view but it certainly doesn't gel with what you see here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ntE9x0-5Vo

Yes, it is a highlights package but it tallies with my observations that Ollie wins or halves most one on one contests, forces lots of turnovers, gets way more of his share of spoils and creates plenty of opportunities for his teammates with his ball use.

I'm not sure what a "ground ball get and intercept player" does but Saad is preparing for his eleventh season and 200th game and I don't think that you could "mould" him into anything other than what you get now ... and why would you want to change that?

He loses most aerial and groundball battles - if you think O Hollands is in the mould of Kouta + Hanna that never lost their battles then we are on a different tangent. O Hollands doesnt get enough of the ball to hurt the oppo with his body type. If you cant get much of the ball then you need players that can win most of their battles and Ollie is never going to get there - his body type is more similar to Saad give him a go there he is a liability on the wing.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #67 –
Are we really looking at ollie hollands...  he's in his third season and turns 21 in January.

Talk about pouring the acid on someone.  He's barely missed a beat and if there is a knock on him it's his consistency in game.  Usually has a good half then fades.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #68 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Are we really looking at ollie hollands...  he's in his third season and turns 21 in January.

Talk about pouring the acid on someone.  He's barely missed a beat and if there is a knock on him it's his consistency in game.  Usually has a good half then fades.


You can tell after 20 games they dont have to star but they shouldn't be a liability either.

I dont think he is good enough to play on the wing - his form doesn't even justify playing AFL tbh.

Showed more as a half back he is getting mauled on the wings he is not going to fill out much more and he won't get much taller he will be 21 in January and thats still young but from what I have seen so far - apart from the unjustified love fair - unimpressive.

No shame on the lad - Simmo was a winger that turned into a gun half back. Same types.

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #69 –
Quote from: pinot – on
He loses most aerial and groundball battles - if you think O Hollands is in the mould of Kouta + Hanna that never lost their battles then we are on a different tangent. O Hollands doesnt get enough of the ball to hurt the oppo with his body type. If you cant get much of the ball then you need players that can win most of their battles and Ollie is never going to get there - his body type is more similar to Saad give him a go there he is a liability on the wing.

Did you watch the video before you made that absurd statement about Ollie losing contests?

Of course Ollie’s nothing like Kouta but he’s getting pretty close to the likes of Quirk, Crane, Glascott, Robertson, Hanna and Camporeale.

Ollie’s body type is nothing like Saad’s; he is taller, lighter and doesn’t have Saad’s strength, or the footy nous that Saad has accrued over 195 games.  For a bloke that’s about to begin his third season, Ollie isn’t that far behind.

Ollie did play off halfback this season and did OK but his decision-making and creativity is better suited to the wing; think Weitering to Hollands to Docherty to Acres and goal!

The MC is more than happy to persist with Ollie on a wing and there’s no way that they will ever use Saad other than as a small defender.

Perhaps we should have a pick your fantasy team thread 🤣
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #70 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: pinot – on
He loses most aerial and groundball battles - if you think O Hollands is in the mould of Kouta + Hanna that never lost their battles then we are on a different tangent. O Hollands doesnt get enough of the ball to hurt the oppo with his body type. If you cant get much of the ball then you need players that can win most of their battles and Ollie is never going to get there - his body type is more similar to Saad give him a go there he is a liability on the wing.

Did you watch the video before you made that absurd statement about Ollie losing contests?

Of course Ollie’s nothing like Kouta but he’s getting pretty close to the likes of Quirk, Crane, Glascott, Robertson, Hanna and Camporeale.

Ollie’s body type is nothing like Saad’s; he is taller, lighter and doesn’t have Saad’s strength, or the footy nous that Saad has accrued over 195 games.  For a bloke that’s about to begin his third season, Ollie isn’t that far behind.

Ollie did play off halfback this season and did OK but his decision-making and creativity is better suited to the wing; think Weitering to Hollands to Docherty to Acres and goal!

The MC is more than happy to persist with Ollie on a wing and there’s no way that they will ever use Saad other than as a small defender.

Perhaps we should have a pick your fantasy team thread 🤣


I know they are happy to persist with him. But they better change that tune pretty fast if they want to keep their jobs.
 

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #71 –
Quote from: pinot – on
I know they are happy to persist with him. But they better change that tune pretty fast if they want to keep their jobs.

I may be going out on a limb here but, just as I prefer Nick Austin’s list management decisions over the alternatives proposed by Kruddler, I have a hell of a lot more faith in the MC’s approach to team selection than I have in your prognostications.

Call me old-fashioned if you like but, when what I see gels with the widely-held assessment of Ollie as one of the best two way runners in the game, and the MC’s confidence in him, I tend to think that he’s more than worthy of his spot in the team and he has got a great future as a winger over the next decade.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #72 –
Just on Ollie Hollands (and how a players worth is so subjective); what would opposition clubs pay to get him on their lists? If hypothetically we had said he was available this trade period - what interest would there have been? Of all the clubs in the AFL, how many would have been inquiring about his services?

I think quite a few. That probably tells you his real value (i.e. our club would rather he was playing for us than you).

Re: How will we line up in 2025.

Reply #73 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: pinot – on
I know they are happy to persist with him. But they better change that tune pretty fast if they want to keep their jobs.

I may be going out on a limb here but, just as I prefer Nick Austin’s list management decisions over the alternatives proposed by Kruddler, I have a hell of a lot more faith in the MC’s approach to team selection than I have in your prognostications.

Call me old-fashioned if you like but, when what I see gels with the widely-held assessment of Ollie as one of the best two way runners in the game, and the MC’s confidence in him, I tend to think that he’s more than worthy of his spot in the team and he has got a great future as a winger over the next decade.


I think you are mistaking some things
1. he is agood young player
2. Average to good in his draft year despite being a weak draft
3. You always give kids a chance to sink or swim not fall in love with them.
4. Premiership side wings have roughly 110 marks 85 tackles 470 disposals and kick 10 goals over 23 games. This is inclusive of winning your 1v1 battles. Lose those battles on the open side and you are done. Acres is extremely good winning his battles and so is Doc.
5, After 30-50 games Ollie is only slightly better than Lob.