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Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #45 –
Dunno, it's looking like 2002 all over again... Finishing in the cellar again with NO FIRST ROUND pick again.
Mental health has been an issue lately - how about that of us long term followers Carlton ?!?
Tired of being a joke club.
Oh, and Doc... Kudos for being a survivor though serious health setbacks but seriously mate, enoughs enough.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #46 –
We are spent by the second half because we make constant stupid errors so waste energy time and again trying to fix those.  The amount of times there was a wayward kick under zero pressure that caused a turnover which we had to then run back to where we’d just been, were too many to count.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #47 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
its funny how people see the game differently at times, but darcy had 17 possessions and 8 marks, and kicked 2 goals 1.  If that is a forward getting slaughtered, I wish some of ours would.   You can add 329 metres gained which shows he did more work up the ground and was capable of providing separation to our backline and unlock the game.  Davidson was influential but when the game was there to be won, darcy kicked goals. 

It's not rocket science to me.  He was one of the Doggies better players, he isn't doing a 3 2 1.

No, Darcy was good.
But we held him to a large extent
He probably suffered from comparisons with the previous week and our expectations pre match but he certainly wasn't as dominant as we thought he might be.

Curnow was better than last week...but still not showing a great deal of follow up. We just need him to get a few games under his belt.
Kemp was very good, as was Silvagni, so going forward we have that swing option developing nicely. It should get better.
Motlop remains an 'almost' player. He runs around 'almost' collecting the ball but often over-runs it. I still have hope the ball will start to stick. He made one bad error that probably cost us a goal when he went for a shot from the angle rather than pass to Evans straight in front.
That was really the difference again...the forward inefficiency
It's been dogging us all year.

Disposal efficiency inside 50
Carlton  33.9% v Bulldogs 47.1%
Despite the multiple goalkickers this week that's the worst for the year....but that stat has been in the 30s all year. Last year we averaged 49%+
Until we get a settled forward structure with Harry and Charlie back firing and Jack or Kemp as the third tall that area will be a bother.

Fitness will be an issue talked about this week.
I tend to think it's not a team issue as much as an individual issue.
Some are giving their all, others are going missing for long periods.
TDK has run himself into the ground for most of the year.
Cripps the same.
Cripps landed heavily at one stage and that seemed to affect him for the rest of the game.
I'm not sure others are working as hard.
They looked stuffed, as they did in the Hawthorn game, but kept going to the contests.
DeKoning was our leading possession winner.

The relief for him is just not effective.
He's not getting enough rest.
Others are rucking at times, but he's still there at the contests on occasions.

Young was a funny one.
At times he looked really good and at others not so hot.
There was a bit of a gap between his best and worst last night.

I feel Hewett doesn't get the credit he deserves, but he is one of our most consistent and hard working players week after week.

Boyd should start next week. He gives effort and altough he makes the odd blue he's streets ahead as our best kick of the ball.

Evans will probably go out next week.
Williams will also probably miss. That run through the middle last night was electric and he displayed pace I didn't think he had but his injury issues remain a huge concern.
One or two of Binns, Moir or Wilson may get a run.
But if the VFL form of last week holds up don't expect a big impact.
I'd actually give Will White a run based on the Box Hill match or maybe even one of the Camporeale boys ahead of the other trio.

Winning is the key business.
We're in the danger zone and losses become more important as the season progresses.
We've burnt up a bit of our currency and can't afford too many more...if any.
As that slips away folks are starting to talk about another wasted season.
I get that.
The win/loss column is the measure.
The frustration will be even greater if we come with a charge at the end and just fall short.

I'm still convinced the pressure game we play is good enough to beat the best of sides.
It's our strength.
We haven't got it working at it's best at the moment
Other teams have their style humming along nicely.
We play a different style to what many teams are employing at the moment but it suits our group.
As we saw at times last night it can unsettle an opposition.
We just need to tidy up our efficiency and decision making.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #48 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Can't do any worse? We've been in all 3 games thus far this season.

Worse was Pagan era when we'd be 6 goals down halfway through the first quarter. And 100 by the end.

Certainly can do worse.....a lot worse.
Lost against two sides we should have beaten in a canter and our second halves suggest we are not fit.  Time to mix things up.

So your solution is to play kids who have not had a full preseason. That will stop us from fading in games?

Are you thinking about this before you type it?

Playing kids with no experience, no basic fitness base and it can't get worse??

Short memories around here.
 

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #49 –
And where's that taking us Kruddler?  Just keep playing half fit senior blokes that can't kick or make the right decisions.
I'd rather play a half fit kid with upside than a half fit "senior" player who keeps @#$!big up.
Mystified why Moir can't get a game in front of some bigger named non performers.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #50 –
Wasn’t expecting 0-3 for this season altho didn’t have any huge expectations either.

Sure there’s some positives, happy for Kemp last night, some fantastic kicks on goal.
Young was better but a complete panicked brain fade lost us an easy kick on goal to be taken down their end for a goal 🤦🏻‍♀️

Was it Walsh or Acres who stuffed two kicks out when we had a run on, directly to the Dogs for goals to them?

Agree with someone earlier, can always rely on Hewitt, thought cerra was good too.

I see Motlop as the cherry on top of a good team, to me he doesn’t have much grunt and aggression.

Why did we trade Owies and Kennedy? With both of those I reckon we would’ve won all 3 games.

It’s a shame and bad luck hollands and H have personal issues but we have no back up for anyone.

Depressing start to the season and Altho yes there are some positives, we are 0-3 to games imo we should’ve won.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
And where's that taking us Kruddler?  Just keep playing half fit senior blokes that can't kick or make the right decisions.
I'd rather play a half fit kid with upside than a half fit "senior" player who keeps @#$!big up.
Mystified why Moir can't get a game in front of some bigger named non performers.
Totally agree with this, and why was Lord dropped? Honestly at least give us some youthful excitement!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #52 –
Yea, throwing away Kennedy was, and still is, a poor decision.  Such a handy, team oriented footballer.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #53 –
Oh let’s not forget the Dogs had quite a few of their best out 🤦🏻‍♀️ that makes it even worse 🙄

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
And where's that taking us Kruddler?  Just keep playing half fit senior blokes that can't kick or make the right decisions.
I'd rather play a half fit kid with upside than a half fit "senior" player who keeps @#$!big up.
Mystified why Moir can't get a game in front of some bigger named non performers.

We were leading the game at 3/4 time. We were leading the game deeper into the last.

What benefit is mixing things up only to be out of the game at 1/4 time?

Who does that help?

I'm not opposed to giving the odd kid a game, but sweeping changes like playing 6 new kids, half of which with next to no preseason is 100% a worse option.

Bring moir in instead of Evans. Fine.
Expect Ben camporeale to outshine someone like acres or docherty.....forget about it.
Think lemmey is a viable option to replace harry? Might surprise a few for one game, probably won't.....will be next to useless before he gets 5 games under his belt.
I'm not sure he is good enough to be on an afl list. Really don't think he is afl ready.....and he's had years of development so far. Which is more than most of the other alternatives.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #55 –
Ok....I get your point but

Evans.  Effing hopeless.
Motlop.  Hard hands, far too slow. Almost player...for three years now
Docherty.  Hasn't hit a target since 2023.
Haynes.  WTF?
McGovern.  Spare me.
Williams.  Finally get another glimpse then injured again.
Cottrell.  Still missing targets and playing dumb football. Ditto O.Hollands.  love the run but ball use....shudder.
Young.  For every good thing there's a coach killer. 

Walsh.  I hate to say it but needs a spell I the twos to learn how to dispose of it again.  Horrid this far this year.

That's half the side.  Surely there's a wing option or two in the twos to give some of the above a chop out? 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #56 –
Evans was probably our worst last night.
Moir was only marginally better in the VFL game last week.

Binns, Wilson, White would all be better inclusions.
Even the Camporeales (without a strong pre-season) would be ahead of him.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Ok....I get your point but

Evans.  Effing hopeless.
Motlop.  Hard hands, far too slow. Almost player...for three years now
Docherty.  Hasn't hit a target since 2023.
Haynes.  WTF?
McGovern.  Spare me.
Williams.  Finally get another glimpse then injured again.
Cottrell.  Still missing targets and playing dumb football. Ditto O.Hollands.  love the run but ball use....shudder.
Young.  For every good thing there's a coach killer. 

Walsh.  I hate to say it but needs a spell I the twos to learn how to dispose of it again.  Horrid this far this year.

That's half the side.  Surely there's a wing option or two in the twos to give some of the above a chop out?

Go through your list above and put through a viable option from our list to replace them with next to them.

It doesn't have to be a different player for each of them either. Just whoever is the best for for that player. Eg lord might be next to 5 names.

Then let me know how many changes we can actually make.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #58 –
Yep there's not much option I'm afraid.

The biggest reason we are all spewing is that the team is struggling with our best mix of available accomplished talent on the park vs teams that aren't exactly fit and firing, and the youthful exuberance isn't there either. 

Our better performers are generally ok, they've got better in them, but not sure they're down for any other reason than the whole team is.

For those talking about Kennedy, there was a moment 3rd quarter that summarised why we let him go.  Walsh danced past him like he wasn't there.  Turned him inside out.  He's a solid but unspectacular player and he and cripps can't play in the same midfield and expect to win things.  He's complimentary to the dogs but they had to shed mccrae to fit him in.


"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 3 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #59 –
Have a read of this :

Quote
The Blues coach wasn’t fretting despite a 0-3 start to the season, suggesting there would be a greater focus on what needs to be “reinforced” to build better habits, as opposed to changing things up.

“In the context of the season, we’re at the start, so there’s plenty of runway,” he said.

“But we’ve also got feedback to suggest we’ve got to get better. We’ve got some real parts of our game that are a bit more obvious than others.

“When you watch us play and see the better parts of our games, it’s worth persisting with. But the message will be pretty simple from me, make sure we get really clear on our roles, continue to keep playing us and at the right times we need to put composure in games and we’ll keep coaching it.”

I've never read such a trumped up load of bullsh1t in my life.

Instead of admitting the facts, just trot out a heap of pure deflection & obfuscation.

This to me is a strong sign that our coach hasn't got any more tricks in his kitbag & is just making up excuses to make it sound like he does.  
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"