Carlton Supporters Club

We've been bashed around the head pretty badly already this week. We're going to need a spirited performance, a limp effort and it is going to be complete mayhem.

A conservative approach is fine for most folk but probably not an AFL footballer in their prime.

I listened to Doc Larkin's assessment and he was gobsmacked by the description of the injury - a subluxation when it was clearly a major dislocation with serious damage - and the proposed treatment.  He was concerned that not operating would mean that Thomas would be highly likely to have more problems.

Sholders are or have been an issue with a few of our blokes; Judd, Jamison, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, etc, not to mention Ablett.

I remember when we got smashed by Essendon early last year with possibly one of the most limp-wristed performances I'd ever seen from a Carlton team. We got justifiably barrelled in the media all the next week, for the team to be preaching about making things right the following weekend.....which ended with an even more limp-wristed performance against Melbourne. Yep, this mob is known for turning things....lazy, spineless fecks they are.

Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.

I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.

I just want a fair dinkum, honest 4 quarter effort.

Isn't he having surgery at the end of the year? So it's less about if but when.

As someone who has suffered a sublux injury, I have never had an operation, and my shoulders have never been the same, however I have also sought the advice from an Orthopaedic surgeion and he adivsed that they would unlikely be rectified by surgery and that often intensive Physio therapy is a better outcome unless it becomes a serial problem.

Think back to Andrew Walker.  He had recurring issues with his until he had an operation but he also has issues over head these days.

Realistically, surgery isnt a great outcome for any injury, its better used as a worst case scenario.

Docherty Jamison Tuohy
Rowe Henderson Yaran
Walker Gibbs Simpson
Jones Casboult Everitt
Buckley Watson Armfield
Wood Judd Murphy
Int
Cripps Whiley Carrozzo Bell

In Walker  Buckley Watson Armfield Cripps Whiley
Out Menzel (inj) White (inj) Ellard, Tutt, Smith, Curnow (all omitted)

On Notice: Henderson, Murphy, Carrazzo, Jones

Docherty Jamison Tuohy
Rowe Henderson Yaran
Walker Gibbs Simpson
Jones Casboult Everitt
Buckley Watson Armfield
Wood Judd Murphy
Int
Cripps Whiley Carrozzo Bell

In Walker  Buckley Watson Armfield Cripps Whiley
Out Menzel (inj) White (inj) Ellard, Tutt, Smith, Curnow (all omitted)

On Notice: Henderson, Murphy, Carrazzo, Jones

Not bad DGJ...reckon Cripps wont play with his bad back and Tutt will get another game, Walker, Armfield and Whiley are certs to play IMO.....Watto and Buckley 50/50

Docherty Jamison Tuohy
Rowe Henderson Yarran
Walker Gibbs Simpson
Jones Casboult Everitt
Buckley Watson Armfield
Wood Judd Murphy
Int
Cripps Whiley Carrozzo Bell

In Walker  Buckley Watson Armfield Cripps Whiley
Out Menzel (inj) White (inj) Ellard, Tutt, Smith, Curnow (all omitted)

On Notice: Henderson, Murphy, Carrazzo, Jones