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Reply #3870 –
He's a better politician than I realised....  🤣
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #3871 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Same here GTC, but modern medical opinion now has a different take on whats best for the child moving forward and the old
school opinions that we were brought up with are seen as neanderthal and having negative effects on the well being of the child.
I wouldnt want that responsibility as a doctor/s or as parents making/endorsing those choices....
1. I cannot fathom how a "parent" would even consider it ok to do this to a child
2. Even worse the moronic parents, doctors would consider this as "treatment" for child.
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Reply #3872 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Same here GTC, but modern medical opinion now has a different take on whats best for the child moving forward and the old
school opinions that we were brought up with are seen as neanderthal and having negative effects on the well being of the child.
I wouldnt want that responsibility as a doctor/s or as parents making/endorsing those choices....
1. I cannot fathom how a "parent" would even consider it ok to do this to a child
2. Even worse the moronic parents, doctors would consider this as "treatment" for child.

What about moronic politican's - Kalama's VP knob head Walz thinks its a good idea to allow full transition surgery to felons !!

The world is cooked if these clowns win this election. 

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Reply #3873 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Want about moronic politican's - Kalama's VP knob head Walz thinks its a good idea to allow full transition surgery to felons !!

The world is cooked if these clowns win this election. 


My problem is with children who have this nonsense applied to them. Adults can butcher themselves to their hearts content, I couldn't give a flying fark. Children? No.
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Reply #3874 –
Quote from: shawny – on
What about moronic politican's - Kalama's VP knob head Walz thinks its a good idea to allow full transition surgery to felons !!

The world is cooked if these clowns win this election.

Your bloke will be fine if he decides to transition then!

It's really not hard to fact check before posting misinformation:

Vice President Kamala Harris expanded on her position on gender-affirming care for prisoners during an Oct. 16 Fox News interview, following a question prompted by a Trump television ad on the topic. “I will follow the law, and it’s a law that Donald Trump actually followed,” Harris said, likely referring to legal requirements that the government provide medical care to prisoners, including necessary gender-affirming care. “You’re probably familiar with — now it’s a public report — that under Donald Trump’s administration, these surgeries were available to, on a medical necessity basis, to people in the federal prison system. And I think frankly that ad from the Trump campaign is a little bit of like throwing, you know, stones when you’re living in a glass house.”

The New York Times reported earlier that day that federal prisoners received some gender-affirming care, including hormone therapy, during the Trump administration. The first gender-affirming surgery for a transgender federal inmate, however, occurred after Trump had left office and after a long legal battle. In a bulleted list of health care “challenges” facing the Federal Bureau of Prisons, a 2018 budget memo says that medical care for transgender inmates “may include … surgery (if individualized assessment indicates surgical intervention is applicable).”

The facts are that the US Constitution requires that the government provide needed medical care for prisoners, according to a 1976 Supreme Court ruling. Transgender inmates in federal and state prisons have argued in court that this includes providing medically necessary gender-affirming care. Some federal and state prisoners have received gender-affirming surgeries following legal victories. So far, this has included two federal prisoners in the custody of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.  Although Harris/Walz and the convicted felon/Vance are bound by the US constitution and court decisions and cannot prevent court-ordered gender reassignment treatment for prison inmates, it's unlikely that the system will be overwhelmed by felons seeking transition surgery. 
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #3875 –
Among the latest garbage to spew from the mouth of the former POTUS is his demand that fellow Republican Liz Cheney should face "nine barrels shooting at her".  Given the nature of MAGA supporters, that’s tantamount to incitement to murder.

He also said that he did not believe Ms Cheney had the "guts" to fight in a war.  That’s unbelievable given the lengths he went to in order to avoid the draft and possible service in Vietnam, as well as his continual disrespect for service personnel.  A coward calling into question the courage of someone else is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #3876 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Among the latest garbage to spew from the mouth of the former POTUS is his demand that fellow Republican Liz Cheney should face "nine barrels shooting at her".  Given the nature of MAGA supporters, that’s tantamount to incitement to murder.

He also said that he did not believe Ms Cheney had the "guts" to fight in a war.  That’s unbelievable given the lengths he went to in order to avoid the draft and possible service in Vietnam, as well as his continual disrespect for service personnel.  A coward calling into question the courage of someone else is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

Whilst I agree he shouldn't be making those comments, or dreaming up those types of scenarios (and yes he is being hypocritical) his coward comment IMO is correct. The Cheneys are right up there with McConnell and many others as pure evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40JmEj0_aVM

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Reply #3877 –
Far be it from me to defend Trump but context is important.

"Liz Cheney should have nine barrels shooting at her" is violent, appalling, inciting to violence.
It should be utterly condemned.

"Liz Cheney is a 'war hawk' and very dumb. "Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, OK?"
"Let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face."

It's unpleasant language but the message is completely different.

One reads like a firing squad, the other is more about 'courage under fire' and sending young folks to war and how you would cope if it was you.

Jon Stewart probably said it best...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RssazZnrsYk



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Reply #3878 –
I'm not sure how you can read "Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her," any other way.  Regardless of what he really meant to say, it's violent rhetoric that could well inspire his supporters to take action.

JD Vance has repeatedly blamed the Democrats and media criticism of his running mate for the assassination attempt and demanded that they "cut it out or you're going to get somebody killed."  That criticism is mild in comparison to what is directed at Harris/Walz and avoids any references to violence or shooting.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #3879 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I'm not sure how you can read "Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her," any other way.  Regardless of what he really meant to say, it's violent rhetoric that could well inspire his supporters to take action.

You can read it like this...

"If you're a person who is intent on sending other young people to war I wonder how you would go if you were given a rifle and had to face many more pointed at you."

That was the context, crudely put, but in no way suggesting that Cheney should face a firing squad.
He was suggesting that if Cheney is so keen to send others to war let her "stand a watch" in a hostile environment.

Now you can argue that it's hyocritical for someone who avoided going to war himself to put others in that position in a hypothetical...that's a completely different issue.



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Reply #3880 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
My "story" about my wife's dealings with kids who identifying as cats is happening now. The kids might be harmless but the angry parents not so much.
A friend of mine works at a prominent grammar school and they have students that identify as animals which the school supports. Not made up, not urban myth, fact.
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Reply #3881 –
Kids schooling has been impacted by these "special" people, no matter how much protest to the contrary, the "specials" are causing a lot of problems.  It's not the harmless behaviour that is being forcibly rammed down our throats.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #3882 –
Kids have always had issues and acted out, most commonly they use to withdraw or be non-verbal as a means of dealing with mental health problems or bullying. What is different now is the sphere of influence includes online, so they learn from peers. The kids are learning, society isn't.

The solution isn't burning the demon or drowning the witch like chief luddite Trump and his many brainless GOP luddite followers suggest. The luddites are the knuckle draggers and bullies in this scenario, they take offense at the accusation and "act out" by voting Trump. ;)

Long live "the mob"!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3883 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: shawny – on
What about moronic politican's - Kalama's VP knob head Walz thinks its a good idea to allow full transition surgery to felons !!

The world is cooked if these clowns win this election.

Your bloke will be fine if he decides to transition then!

It's really not hard to fact check before posting misinformation:

Vice President Kamala Harris expanded on her position on gender-affirming care for prisoners during an Oct. 16 Fox News interview, following a question prompted by a Trump television ad on the topic. “I will follow the law, and it’s a law that Donald Trump actually followed,” Harris said, likely referring to legal requirements that the government provide medical care to prisoners, including necessary gender-affirming care. “You’re probably familiar with — now it’s a public report — that under Donald Trump’s administration, these surgeries were available to, on a medical necessity basis, to people in the federal prison system. And I think frankly that ad from the Trump campaign is a little bit of like throwing, you know, stones when you’re living in a glass house.”

The New York Times reported earlier that day that federal prisoners received some gender-affirming care, including hormone therapy, during the Trump administration. The first gender-affirming surgery for a transgender federal inmate, however, occurred after Trump had left office and after a long legal battle. In a bulleted list of health care “challenges” facing the Federal Bureau of Prisons, a 2018 budget memo says that medical care for transgender inmates “may include … surgery (if individualized assessment indicates surgical intervention is applicable).”

The facts are that the US Constitution requires that the government provide needed medical care for prisoners, according to a 1976 Supreme Court ruling. Transgender inmates in federal and state prisons have argued in court that this includes providing medically necessary gender-affirming care. Some federal and state prisoners have received gender-affirming surgeries following legal victories. So far, this has included two federal prisoners in the custody of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.  Although Harris/Walz and the convicted felon/Vance are bound by the US constitution and court decisions and cannot prevent court-ordered gender reassignment treatment for prison inmates, it's unlikely that the system will be overwhelmed by felons seeking transition surgery. 

So your confirming this by what Kamala says. Right that's a shut case then. Are these the 'facts' you like to claim that is all your interested in?

We all know Kamala is unable to speak without an auto cue, shes a puppet and is only good at doing her stupid laugh and looking like a fool whenever a serious question is posed to her so i cant take anything that women says as truth.

As you like facts i have a link for you
 
https://www.newsweek.com/tim-walz-policy-transgender-minors-explained-1937598

Link proves my point but you have another go to tell me its fake.

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Reply #3884 –
I agree with you about Kamala. She is an empty suit from top to toe. In addition to his numerous well documented sins, Trump is a major goofball. Any politician with half decent policies should wipe the floor with him in a week. A guaranteed decent minimum wage, higher social security benefits (unchanged for 50 years or so), cracking down and prosecuting corporate crooks that are everywhere, supporting worker health and safety and the constitutional right of trial by jury.  And that's just for starters. Most Americans want Medicare for all, they want a better minimum wage, they want a ceasefire in Gaza. The fact that neither party is listening show where their interests really lie.

As for gender affirming care, you moved the goalposts. The initial discussion was about felons, not minors.