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Reply #1215 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
This is what I see you saying.

End.

I don't know why you're so hung up on it, but whatever floats your boat.   I can quote you again if you like.

Even the most casual observer of US politics would have to agree that Trump's birther lie was an unprecedented, prolonged and baseless attack on the incumbent POTUS.  Trump and his supporters can bleat all they like, but he set the ground rules and now has to live by them.

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #1216 –
In other news, the balanced media like to paint trump as unhinged,  but our own sixty minutes got attacked in an Islamic enclave in Sweden months back, and trump has his finger on the pulse with this nugget, which turns out to be accurate.

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/world/first-donald-trump-said-it-then-riots-erupt-in-stockholm-immigrant-suburb-20170221-gui939

They must have heard he said they were violent.   If you can't beat them join them???

@DJC, I don't really care.  I find the three ringed American circus exactly that.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1217 –
I also dislike Trump but I detest petulance in general particularly when it's served up with an air of superiority and arrogance to go with it.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1218 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
In other news, the balanced media like to paint trump as unhinged,  but our own sixty minutes got attacked in an Islamic enclave in Sweden months back, and trump has his finger on the pulse with this nugget, which turns out to be accurate.

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/world/first-donald-trump-said-it-then-riots-erupt-in-stockholm-immigrant-suburb-20170221-gui939

They must have heard he said they were violent.   If you can't beat them join them???

@DJC, I don't really care.  I find the three ringed American circus exactly that.

Fake news Thry!  Rinkeby is home to immigrants but also has a significant population of unemployed Swedes.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #1219 –
You must have REALLY hated it, then, when Trump refused to say he'd accept the result of the election, although he did eventually say that he would, "if I win".  Can't get more superiority and arrogance than that.  And he can hardly complain now that others follow his lead.

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Reply #1220 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
In other news, the balanced media like to paint trump as unhinged,  but our own sixty minutes got attacked in an Islamic enclave in Sweden months back, and trump has his finger on the pulse with this nugget, which turns out to be accurate.

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/world/first-donald-trump-said-it-then-riots-erupt-in-stockholm-immigrant-suburb-20170221-gui939

They must have heard he said they were violent.   If you can't beat them join them???

@DJC, I don't really care.  I find the three ringed American circus exactly that.

Domestic US politics does look that way Thry. A lot of diversions imo. The main game is in the pursuit of power, influence and riches around the globe and Trump represents a change of approach to this. Those guys in the rust belt won't be getting their jobs back that's for sure.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #1221 –
@Mav, yep I reckon he's a douchebag.

On some level though, I think the people sometimes get the leader they deserve.

Given their guns policies and also their foreign policy he seems a good fit for them.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1222 –
True.  I have little sympathy for them.  They should pay a price for handing over the keys to the White House to that narcissistic moron.  I just hope they don't drag us (and the rest of the world) down with them.  In particular, I hope Turnbull doesn't get sucked in to sending our top-of-the-line rubber dinghies with small calibre pea-shooters to accompany the US Navy in the South China Sea.

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Reply #1223 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@Mav, yep I reckon he's a douchebag.

On some level though, I think the people sometimes get the leader they deserve.

Given their guns policies and also their foreign policy he seems a good fit for them.

There's some truth in that Thry but probably only 40-45%.  I really feel sorry for my American friends and (distant) family.  Some of them are Trump supporters but most are not, and they're all good people.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball
 

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Reply #1224 –
Quote from: Mav – on
You must have REALLY hated it, then, when Trump refused to say he'd accept the result of the election, although he did eventually say that he would, "if I win".  Can't get more superiority and arrogance than that.  And he can hardly complain now that others follow his lead.

See.... this is where we deviate....and it's something that the "hard core Trump" detractors have difficulty coming to grips with.
I have little faith in him being an even adequate President but...
Because that's a stand he took (not accepting the result ) doesn't justify the other side following a similar approach.
In fact it displays an equal  "superiority and arrogance "
Go to his level and he'll beat you to a pulp.
You're fighting his kind of fight.

http://time.com/4538117/presidential-debate-hillary-clinton-gaggle/

Quote

Buoyant after wrapping up the third and final presidential debate, Hillary Clinton stepped onto her campaign plane late Wednesday night and continued to hammer Donald Trump for suggesting he might not accept the result of November's election.

"It was horrifying what he said," Clinton told reporters, referring to her Republican opponent's remark that he would keep the American public "in suspense" about whether he would question the outcome of a race that he says is rigged. "we are a country based on laws. And we’ve had hot, contested elections going back to the very beginning, but one of our hallmarks has always been that we accept the outcomes of our elections."
America has "free and fair elections," the Democratic nominee continued. "Somebody wins and somebody loses. So what he said tonight is part of his whole effort to blame somebody else for his campaign."

Oppose policy and actions by all means (there's plenty there to work with there)... but accept the result.
Otherwise you're an equally divisive element.
The "not my president" brigade won't change the opinion of many at all, in fact I suspect it will have a counter effect.

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Reply #1225 –
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

My opinion is that when you face an opponent who plays hardball, you play hardball too.  As Tony Abbott and the GOP during Obama's Presidency have shown, being oppositional is very effective in turning opinion against the incumbent.  The Dems can't allow the Republicans to go for the jugular all the time without fighting back.  Sadly, the best game plan is to apply the blowtorch to Trump and watch him lose it.  The last thing the Dems should do is allow him to do his schtick as a colourful buffoon while they bend over backwards to make his administration work.

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Reply #1226 –
Trump will do what it takes for him to profit, expect nothing more or nothing less. If you're cashed up you can ride his coattails, if you're  just making ends meet you're screwed!

The sad thing is, the people on struggle street in middle America voted him in on a promise of jobs and security. The only security they will get is the securities' kick in the arse as the rich evict them!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1227 –
In Trump's battle with the media he is right in one respect, many of them are as guilty of making stuff up, reporting their opinions as fact, and cherry picking data, as Trump himself!

By going down the same track as Trump, by publishing opinion as fact, they play into his hands.

All they have to do is stay clean, highlight when his opinions aren't supported by fact, and only publish facts not opinions. And they would be fine, and he'd be in a world of pain!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1228 –
first time their national debt has reduced rather than increased.
Media has not and will not report that.

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Reply #1229 –
Quote from: thrunthrublu – on
first time their national debt has reduced rather than increased.
Media has not and will not report that.

Depends who is in charge and what they report.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"