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Reply #2086 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Why are most of Americans presidentential candidates old and senile? 

My sisters father in law at their age drive a car into a stationary fence and didn't even realise he had clipped it. 

My mum's 69 and she is starting to become forgetful and has more health issues than ever before.





American Presidents are fronts for a machine driven by faceless people that do the 'advising'.   The machine, whether it be Democrat or Republican, needs a face with populist charisma to get its agenda into the driving seat.  Donald's problem is he actually thinks he is the supreme leader, and when he doesn't agree with the machine, he sacks someone (there have been a few that have be shown the door....).  Most of the rest have learned to say the right things.

I would suggest that many Republican politicians would be happy to see the end of Donald because he is a loose cannon, but the problem is his popularity with certain segments of the US population has meant that these same politicians get to keep their seats in Congress.

I honestly thought the COVID positive thing was a ploy to have him 'stand aside' with no political blood-letting involved....... maybe they didn't count on his ego getting in the way?
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #2087 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
American Presidents are fronts for a machine driven by faceless people that do the 'advising'.   The machine, whether it be Democrat or Republican, needs a face with populist charisma to get its agenda into the driving seat.  Donald's problem is he actually thinks he is the supreme leader, and when he doesn't agree with the machine, he sacks someone (there have been a few that have be shown the door....).  Most of the rest have learned to say the right things.

I would suggest that many Republican politicians would be happy to see the end of Donald because he is a loose cannon, but the problem is his popularity with certain segments of the US population has meant that these same politicians get to keep their seats in Congress.

I honestly thought the COVID positive thing was a ploy to have him 'stand aside' with no political blood-letting involved....... maybe they didn't count on his ego getting in the way?

Don't misunderstand, I do believe that modern democracy is giving people the illusion of choice, whilst corporations and faceless people rule the nations, but I dont understand why they appoint someone who is ill equipped to provide the proper illusion of choice rather than these old guys who seem to be the physical representation of uncle sam.

What do they know about life?  These rich oligarchs who have been spoon fed their entire lives tend to run nations who are comprised of exactly the type of people they would never associate with aside from servitude.

Hell you could buy off anyone for half the money to do their advisors bidding.  I think this is the exact reason Trump is in power mind you.  The general public see him as someone that is one of them, but is too stupid to keep his mouth shut and then allows the general public to understand exactly where they sit in societal heirarchy.  Its why he appeals to the lowest denominator.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #2088 –



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Quote from: Thryleon – on
Don't misunderstand, I do believe that modern democracy is giving people the illusion of choice, whilst corporations and faceless people rule the nations, but I dont understand why they appoint someone who is ill equipped to provide the proper illusion of choice rather than these old guys who seem to be the physical representation of uncle sam.

What do they know about life?  These rich oligarchs who have been spoon fed their entire lives tend to run nations who are comprised of exactly the type of people they would never associate with aside from servitude.

Hell you could buy off anyone for half the money to do their advisors bidding.  I think this is the exact reason Trump is in power mind you.  The general public see him as someone that is one of them, but is too stupid to keep his mouth shut and then allows the general public to understand exactly where they sit in societal heirarchy.  Its why he appeals to the lowest denominator.


I don't disagree.   As a rolled gold narcissist, I think Donald is more keen on the notoriety than the power.   Now, everyone in the world listens to him.

The challenge for the Democrats was to provide an alternative - I am sure that is why Biden is there, because he represents a safe choice, ie a well-known older white guy with no spooky agendas.  Not necessarily great in terms of a forward-thinking approach, but probably inoffensive enough to win an election.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #2089 –
Yep, the name of the game is to win elections. Having done that they can get on with business,  ie government of the people  by the oligarchy for the oligarchy. Whatever happened to the true republic?
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #2090 –
And if you really want to see if there is any difference between the Republicans and the Democrats when it comes to Average Joe American, I suggest you have a look at the doco 'Inside Job' about the GFC in the US and how much both varieties of politician cow-tow to Wall St etc..... 
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #2091 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
And if you really want to see if there is any difference between the Republicans and the Democrats when it comes to Average Joe American, I suggest you have a look at the doco 'Inside Job' about the GFC in the US and how much both varieties of politician cow-tow to Wall St etc.....

I will look out for that one T. Big money/financial interests of course call the shots in most of the globe, main centres being the City of London and Wall St. The World Economic Forum (the Davos crowd) is one of the places where policy/strategy is made e.g. The Green New Deal.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #2092 –
I believe that the POTUS is terrified of being prosecuted and jailed if the Democrats win.  He will do whatever he can to retain power and a cornered rat can be a nasty prospect.

I studied the US electoral system way back in year 12 and my head still hurts when I think about it.  However, the nation that invented the gerrymander and malapportionment isn’t the only one that can elect its leader with less than 50% of the popular vote.

It seems to me that, despite the rabid support the POTUS gets from some quarters, the US electorate changed its mind at the mid-term elections.  The Democrats opened up an 8% lead and nothing the POTUS has done since then will have clawed back that margin. 

You would think that with a population of 330M, the US could produce more inspiring presidential candidates and not just more ageing, privileged white males.  Whenever I see the current contenders, I’m transported back to the 1980s and Frankie goes to Hollywood’s magnificent music video “Two Tribes”.  The POTUS might have a size advantage but his cowardly persona and tiny hands could give the challenger a fighting chance.
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Reply #2093 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I believe that the POTUS is terrified of being prosecuted and jailed if the Democrats win.  He will do whatever he can to retain power and a cornered rat can be a nasty prospect.

I studied the US electoral system way back in year 12 and my head still hurts when I think about it.  However, the nation that invented the gerrymander and malapportionment isn’t the only one that can elect its leader with less than 50% of the popular vote.

It seems to me that, despite the rabid support the POTUS gets from some quarters, the US electorate changed its mind at the mid-term elections.  The Democrats opened up an 8% lead and nothing the POTUS has done since then will have clawed back that margin. 

You would think that with a population of 330M, the US could produce more inspiring presidential candidates and not just more ageing, privileged white males.  Whenever I see the current contenders, I’m transported back to the 1980s and Frankie goes to Hollywood’s magnificent music video “Two Tribes”.  The POTUS might have a size advantage but his cowardly persona and tiny hands could give the challenger a fighting chance.

I'd suggest exactly the opposite.

Trump will piss it in. And rightly so given the drivel Sleepy Joe and Harris are putting out.

A vote for the Dems 2020 is a vote for Socialism.

And the unbridled anarchistic behaviours seen in many of America's once great cities.

Not great that Trump is the alternative but so be it.

And if anyone is worried about prosecution post election, i'd suggest Killary and Barry O. are the two that should be worried.
Finals, then 4 in a row!
 

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Reply #2094 –
The grounds for prosecution of Trump would be interesting. Russiagate, the Steele dossier and the Muller inquiry led to nothing. I have read that certain parties may be looking at using Article 25 provisions of the constitution to remove the elected president,  but they could have Biden or Trump in mind, depending on who wins.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #2095 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I believe that the POTUS is terrified of being prosecuted and jailed if the Democrats win.  He will do whatever he can to retain power and a cornered rat can be a nasty prospect.
Doubt this will happen, they would be setting a dangerous precedent they all have to live by.

I think the Occam's Razor argument seems more likely. The rumour is Trump is broke, and the debtors are queuing up to take a slice of him at the end of his elected term. He is a narcissistic, and the only way he can maintain his lifestyle is to stay elected. In effect he is buying time by being President!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2096 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
I'd suggest exactly the opposite.

Trump will piss it in. And rightly so given the drivel Sleepy Joe and Harris are putting out.

A vote for the Dems 2020 is a vote for Socialism.

And the unbridled anarchistic behaviours seen in many of America's once great cities.

Not great that Trump is the alternative but so be it.

And if anyone is worried about prosecution post election, i'd suggest Killary and Barry O. are the two that should be worried.

Now don't go reading anything into this question, as I am genuinely curious... what exactly do you see as bad about socialism?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #2097 –
I don't think socialism is the goal in the US. More soviet style government with an oligarch owned politburo/technocracy ruling the people, whose votes would count for little.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #2098 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Trump will piss it in. And rightly so given the drivel Sleepy Joe and Harris are putting out.

Greatly depends upon how his 2 trillion spendathon on abandoning fossil fuels and green madness goes down with the electorate.  He intends to lay down the rules to other aligned countries (including us) that we do more of the heavy lifting in regard to emissions.  China gets a pass.  He is a dangerous idiot.  If he does happen to win the Presidency, the early signs of Parkinson's will see him off in short time.     

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Reply #2099 –
Chaotic, farcical, a circus.
I just get the feeling that with all the turmoil that's going on, and likely to continue post election, there are some surprises likely to impact or result. You just wonder whether, with the attention on the USA and its troubles. others may see it as an opportunity to "push a few buttons."
It wouldn't be to much of a stretch to see some headlines like these in the coming months...

"I've found it!"...Trump announces Covid vaccine on the eve of the election.

"China attacks Taiwan"

"The excitement was too much for him!"...Harris set to become President as Biden succumbs under mysterious circumstances after election victory.

"Russia invades Ukraine"

"Mission complete!"...Aliens at Roswell heading home, stating that there are no longer any signs of intelligent life in the USA.

"Christmas  2020 postponed until 2021"...Santa says the 14 day quarantine period in all countries is not practical given time limits.

"Kanye elected!" ....Taylor Swift interrupts inauguration speech stating "Kanye, I'm really happy  for you and I'm going to let you finish but Biden had one of the best campaigns of all time. Of all time!"

OK.... So the China and Russia ones may be a bit of a stretch. ;)  ;D