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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #75 –
Quote from: BlueAvenger – on
There was only one real opponent that J Steven should've had, and that is Armfield.

After having some time to reflect it was plain for all and sundry to see, too cute with the footy.
Armfield would have been a good match-up, and could have hurt them the other way with his pace. Perhaps Kieran Byrne would have been another option, even though he probably hasn't spent time as a mid much: he has the pace and the tank. But yes, we were badly out-thought on this one.

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Over-possessing the pill just allowed the saints to close up space defensively and smash us on the rebound.
They put a lot of pressure on us and forced us to go backwards in possession. It was awful to see the lack of attack. But the 'Aints had done their homework and started with a spare defender.

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Honestly i reckon Cripps goes 3rd man up too often, if its effective more often than not im all for it but its 50/50 at best and leaves us a man down on the ground around the stoppage.
Both Cripps and Gibbs went up as 3rd man up and each time they were ready for it. Cripps got pinged twice for throwing the ball, while St. Kilda roved each one of Gibbs' efforts. They were ready for us.

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Sharking Hickeys taps was a must, didn't happen.
Our present midfield structure doesn't allow for sharking taps that are seriously to advantage. Alas, most of Hickey's taps really were to their advantage. Sometimes only St Kilda players were in the section of ground where Hickey tapped the ball to. They got a HUGE advantage out of that: none of our players was in position to defend and keep the ball in.
Hickey also rucked in a way that seemed to confuse our rucks. he often jumped up and out his hand on Kreuzer's shoulder to change direction in the air and keep him up. He was never penalized for it, so he continued it. It was very effective and hurt us in a number of ways. He even managed to interpose his body between the guy he tapped to and our mids at times.
We did NOT do our homework there. Hopefully we can learn from it and beat him next time.

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Weitering should've been our 7th man in defence, not on Membrey whom i rate highly. The Irish boys were the perfect match up for him.
Probably right. Weitering has the judgement to be in the right spot at the right time, but he struggled when St. Kilda just stuck the ball down Membrey's throat. Tuohy might have been a better match, or maybe even White, as he does usually make a LOT of body contact.
Weitering lost a lot of confidence as the day went on: it was clear in his decision making and approach to his marks. It was the first time he was really towelled up and he will learn from it.

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Our team structure/defence fell down, which meant our backs were inundated.
Yes. The ball moved down so quickly that nobody was in the position to support anyone else. It is the Achilles' Heel of the 'team defence' approach.
On the other hand, we moved the ball poorly and picked out St. Kilda defenders.

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Kreuze has lost the ability to jump over opponents which wasn't his strength anyway but he mistimes a lot of jumps. He's great around the ground but he struggled against Hickey yesterday.
He was butchered in the middle. Having only the single ruck option hurt us very badly. Gorringe wasn't up to the task and didn't really get an opportunity to show his wares elsewhere. Kreuzer also struggled in the air: he did not take a single mark for the day.
Bolton was right a few weeks back when he said that Kreuzer was a barometer of the team. When he is competitive, we usually do well. We he isn't, we get badly beaten. He had a down day and we suffered.

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We looked really bad yesterday, got beaten by a bunch of no names apart from Steven and Membrey.
No-names often seem to play well against us. I hate that. it usually means we haven't done enough homework.
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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #76 –
after the brissie  game curnow said we got smashed in the centre( so what happened bolts how did we rectify this. Again we showed wat a slow team we are against lions soon as they started to run in the second half they matched us.Saints exposed us with there run and spread as a team we are to slow. whiley and graham (slow) wouldnt helped yesterday u c our promblem.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #77 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
I can't understand people pushing for Jaksch to be in the seniors.
He's played lots of VFL games and the coaching staff and match committee have had a good look at him, yet this weekend we named young Silvagni ahead of him and Plowman has gone straight past him.
I think we need to realise that it's unlikely that he'll measure up and that GWS got the better of the Jaksch/Whiley/Boekhorst deal.
It happens, some trades work out and others don't, we did well trading out Menzel, Henderson and Yarran and exceptionally well trading Hampson for Docherty.

Casboult as a sole target doesnt work...he gets triple teamed and then you have Everitt and Walker??..the latter cherry picked a couple of goals and  Everitt kicked one in junk time and then tried
to get his ratio up but refused to pass another one off that he missed....Both of them are unreliable and I see no future in either.....
The play the ruckman as your 2nd KP player doesnt work either....Kruezer cant mark or kick and Gorringe is a novice at both forward and ruck work who is better around the ground in general play.

We need a proper structure not this bandaid crap we have at the minute...
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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #78 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

We need a proper structure not this bandaid crap we have at the minute...


I agree completely but there's no point playing people who aren't up to it just for the sake of it, and Jaksch has had more than enough chances to earn a spot.
Jones isn't the answer either, Everitt has good and bad days, Walker isn't the player he was and Casboult is marginal at best.
We haven't had a true key forward since Fevola.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #79 –
Didn't see the game yesterday, 1st game I have missed for the season.

It's always disappointing to lose to the Aints, I was worried about the number of games we had played at Etihad leading up to the game, but thought the number of outs through injury for the Aints might help get us over the line. It didn't. :(

Very happy to not have to play at Etihad for the rest of the year, now is our chance to play a few games on the "big stage' and see how well we go interstate.

6/6 is a lot better than most of us expected to be at this stage of the season, now to see what damage we can do in the 2nd half of the draw.

Go Blues !!
Mens sana in corpore sano - A healthy mind in a healthy body.

Navy, it's not just a color, it's an attitude !!!

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #80 –
On the basis of what we have seen the past couple of games SOS will have to get really busy in the trading and drafting periods. We need to be getting some real talent on board, especially fwds and and mids.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #81 –
I have been away the long weekend so haven't seen any of the game nor do I want to as that's one that got away for mine. I hope that:
1. We didn't believe our own publicity and got all fat headed and ahead of ourselves. If it was the case, be interesting to see how BB handles this scenario.
2. We didn't under estimate the opposition. If it was the case, be interesting to see how BB handles this scenario.
3. That Richardson didn't unlock the key to beating our game plan for all to see. If it was the case, be interesting to see how BB handles this scenario (ie plan B, C etc).
Anyway, put it away, freshen up over the break and try again rnd 14.
Go Blues.
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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #82 –
I expected to be 6-6, i thought we would drop 1 out of Brisbane and St Kilda. Saints were good yesterday, strangled our space and waited for us to inevitably turn it over. We had no flow and guys i think have been reading the Press to much.

I actually have no problems with this loss and got on with life fairly quickly.

I think we need some help in the middle. Our midfield is basically:
Curnow, Cripps, Gibbs and Kerridge. Thomas as well. Sumner gives us little around teh contest, Lamb is raw (very pleased with him overall), Doc and Simmo to valuable down back.
Not a lot in the Ressies either, with Graham, Whiley and Tutt, but would not be adverse in bringing those guys in.

This is what annoyed me the most:



This was the 6th time Jack Steven received the ball from the Centre Clearance... in the exact same spot... In the 3rd quarter alone. Re-Watch the 3rd and watch where he receives the ball everytime. No effort to have athe sweeper, to block his run, to come off the wing.... Clearance, Mark, Goal...Repeat.


"We are a club in a hurry"

#united #reset

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #83 –
Quote from: shadesy – on
...

This is what annoyed me the most:
This was the 6th time Jack Steven received the ball from the Centre Clearance... in the exact same spot... In the 3rd quarter alone. Re-Watch the 3rd and watch where he receives the ball everytime. No effort to have athe sweeper, to block his run, to come off the wing.... Clearance, Mark, Goal...Repeat.

1. Fatigue
2. Ineptitude
3. Asleep at the wheel
4. Tanking

Take your pick.

Nice observation btw.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #84 –
Not much pleased me at the game but In the last quarter after saints kicked a goal Armfield copped a serve and a half from simmo on the back of the centre square as they were bringing the ball back to the centre. Never seen simmo so animated. Was yelling in his face and waving his arms around. Was obviously pissed with something Armfield did I guess. Armfield to his credit copped it and seemed to accept what was said.

Simmo is a more active and local game day captain then murph and personally I like it. He didn't have a great game but he leaves nothing out there and directs points and teaches better then anyone we have.

We lost poorly and years gone by I struggled to see any hurt on the players.

Not yesterday they hurt and they will learn heaps from that game. 

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #85 –
Don't know whether this was true or not but the commentary team spoke of the boys not following coaching instructions and that is why BB eventually went down to the bench, but that was very late in the game. May have been that they just couldn't due to having been run off their legs. Anyway, hopefully both coaching and playing lessons would have been learned and I look forward to seeing us again after the bye.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #86 –
Sorry i Exagerrated..

4 Times Steven got a clean centre Clearance in the 3rd 1/4... all from the same spot...










And one More at the back of the Clearance



Our defenders had no chance to stop it...

RE Simmo

Understand the leadership role he has taken, but when Walker turned it over through the centre, he made no effort to get back, leaving Rowe and Doc to defend 3 on 2 and lead to easy Newnes goal. At the moment the fight was gone.
"We are a club in a hurry"

#united #reset

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #87 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Don't know whether this was true or not but the commentary team spoke of the boys not following coaching instructions and that is why BB eventually went down to the bench, but that was very late in the game. May have been that they just couldn't due to having been run off their legs. Anyway, hopefully both coaching and playing lessons would have been learned and I look forward to seeing us again after the bye.

We play St Kilda again on August 7 at the G. Let's see what BB comes back with.
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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #88 –
Quote from: IvanAwfulbigone – on
We play St Kilda again on August 7 at the G. Let's see what BB comes back with.

That will be interesting especially if the Saints have Riewoldt and others back. We should have Murph back by the same token.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #89 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
On the basis of what we have seen the past couple of games SOS will have to get really busy in the trading and drafting periods. We need to be getting some real talent on board, especially fwds and and mids.

I'm absolutely sure this is the plan. They loaded on KPps as they take longer, I'm sure we'll draft/ trade for some young mids to help Cripps.

#needspeed