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Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Spanner – on
You mean the guy who couldn't help but hit a target 99% of the time? Why would I have a problem with him? Why would I have a problem with his gut running that was amazing? Why would I have a problem with his ability to kick a goal when required and under pressure?

Do you even understand what this thread is about?  :-\

In the very first post that opens this thread, you make a few references to your 2 favorite players being soft coc@s. So was Braddles. I recall many at the time of his career noting his aversion to the contest and physical contact. That's not to diminish his many other fine attributes.

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Reply #46 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
I still see Murphy as a midfielder; his main problem has always been the evolution of bigger bodied midfielders who crunch him at every opportunity.

Yep, which is why I'd like to see him as a small forward, to extend his career! If he was 192cm and 92 kgs or thereabouts, he'd be a gun, but he aint. He is, however, a 'little gun'.
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Reply #47 –
Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on
Now Murphy and Gibbs find themselves the two most targeted by opposition coaches yet they still mange to have an impact.

Are we watching the same two turnover merchants? Sorry, you must be only watching the pre-game warm up when Gibbs hits all targets and Murphy obtains a spine.

Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on
A commentator made the remark a while ago that he had emerged from Judds shadow and was now a true leader in his own right.

Well if a commentator said it, it must be true...  :-\ Would it be by chance Dwayne Russell? There's the fountain of knowledge in all things football right there.  ::)

Drugs are bad, mmmkay...

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Reply #48 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
In the very first post that opens this thread, you make a few references to your 2 favorite players being soft coc@s. So was Braddles. I recall many at the time of his career noting his aversion to the contest and physical contact. That's not to diminish his many other fine attributes.

Bradley may not have been the toughest player out there, but he made up for it by running all day and creating options and was an elite kick.
Drugs are bad, mmmkay...

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Reply #49 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Yep, which is why I'd like to see him as a small forward, to extend his career! If he was 192cm and 92 kgs or thereabouts, he'd be a gun, but he aint. He is, however, a 'little gun'.

Can he be our little gun till our big gun comes along?
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #50 –
Quote from: Spanner – on
Bradley may not have been the toughest player out there, but he made up for it by running all day and creating options and was an elite kick. What do the Pox Duo do?

Neither Gibbs nor Murph are as good as Bradley, but then neither are 95% of other blokes who have played the game.

These two might not meet your expectations, but the club clearly views them very positively. They have survived a number of different coaches, recruiting / list managers, board members, regimes and dozens and dozens of other team mates who have come and gone in the last decade. And yet, here they both are. They must be seriously talented at pulling the wool over people's eyes for this to occur.
 

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Reply #51 –
Quote from: Spanner – on
You mean the guy who couldn't help but hit a target 99% of the time? Why would I have a problem with him? Why would I have a problem with his gut running that was amazing? Why would I have a problem with his ability to kick a goal when required and under pressure?

Do you even understand what this thread is about?  :-\

Braddles? So many memories, but one in particular is etched permanently in my mind.  1995 Grand Final. 15 wins in a row beforehand.  I was BESIDE myself all week - surely we couldn't stumble at the final hurdle? Please god, noooooo!!! Feeling so nervous I thought I was going to throw up.  Opening minutes ... ball rebounds from Geelong's half forward line, ends up in the hands of the running (of course!) Braddles ... takes off like a hare with Geelong player in hot pursuit ... 55 metres ... 50 ... 45 degree angle ... steadies ... kicks ... NEVER IN DOUBT you little bl00dy beauty!  Right then and there I KNEW this was going to be a GREAT day.

Having replied in this thread I guess I should stay on topic and respond to the OP.  Something stinks at the club but stuffed if I can put my finger on it.  So much has changed in the last 10 years yet our poor performance has remained fairly constant.  What is the one (or two) constants in those 10 years?
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Reply #52 –
I don't share your opinion, Spanner, however, looking at Chrashs' excellent Jim Park summary, Murph is leading comfortably, suggesting that he has this year, according to this forum been our best, with Gibbs coming in 6th.

Both came to the club close to or at its lowest point and had very little in the way of role models, then got beaten up as 18yos when they were our best players.  They have since played at a basket case club, with a bit of success in 2011. They do have faults, however, so do all players everywhere.  As someone else posted, maybe that is as good as they are, and we have to accept it/hope others go past them quickly.

We had a season at cricket in Shield grade where I was 31 and the next oldest was 21.  There was plenty of talent in the team (excluding me) and we really struggled.  Other teams in the comp had a couple of older stars who could take the younger players for a ride and teach them how to play.  They were pretty successful.

I think that we sit in the first scenario, with a few good/handy older players and some great young talent.  No need to bag the older players that have to try to cover the inexperience.

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Reply #53 –
Quote from: dodge – on
I don't share your opinion, Spanner, however, looking at Chrashs' excellent Jim Park summary, Murph is leading comfortably, suggesting that he has this year, according to this forum been our best, with Gibbs coming in 6th.

Both came to the club close to or at its lowest point and had very little in the way of role models, then got beaten up as 18yos when they were our best players.  They have since played at a basket case club, with a bit of success in 2011. They do have faults, however, so do all players everywhere.  As someone else posted, maybe that is as good as they are, and we have to accept it/hope others go past them quickly.

We had a season at cricket in Shield grade where I was 31 and the next oldest was 21.  There was plenty of talent in the team (excluding me) and we really struggled.  Other teams in the comp had a couple of older stars who could take the younger players for a ride and teach them how to play.  They were pretty successful.

I think that we sit in the first scenario, with a few good/handy older players and some great young talent.  No need to bag the older players that have to try to cover the inexperience.

Nice post Dodge.
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Reply #54 –
Throw ed curnow into the mix.  He is  ridiculously in the leadership group!  Throw Army in there too.  Guess what, he is in the leadership group too!   Kruzer is another.  Seriously, those 3 number 1 picks were butchered.  I'm starting to wonder whether we butchered another one (weiters).  Yes before you cut me down, we needed a forward.  Sache was the one.  He looks like he has a bit of nasties about him.  Weiters is a politically correct young chap. Wrong breed at a club already full of intraverts led by Mackay etc.   Anyway, Murphy's inglorious 0 tackle game in the weekend finished him for mine.  I never particularly liked his game style because he has always struggled to kick more that 35 metres.  For number 1 draft pick mid, this is a joke.  Gibbs doesn't give a fire truck about the club.  He's gone at the end of the year anyway.   The club is in crisis.  I've also heard from a good source (one of the carltonians) that crippa is looking for a trade end of the year.  What happens happens, but i think a board spill will end this muck very soon.  It has to because we are uncompetitive.  We belong in a different league (e.g the ammos).   Some of our kids are awesome, I love SPS and Fisher, Marchbank looks ok and I think Tom Williamson can play.  By the way while I am on it, Bolton... I am sick of his school teaching euphemisms.  Green shoots...ra ra ra.  Whatever.  Brisbane fielded a very inexperienced side and still almost knocked of the premiers.  I went to the Geelong v Saint Kilda game today, and apart from Danger and Selwood, have a guess who was possibly the 3rd best player on the ground........touey.   OMG.  Yes, that's right, he was awesome.  Why is it that players leave us and get better?  It's because we are a putza show.

Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy

Reply #55 –
Why is it that "touey" is a better player at Geelong than at Carlton (in your opinion)?
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Reply #56 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Nice post Dodge.

That's why MM got Daisy!  ;)

But seriously, Brisvegas doesn't have that luxury....

When Murph and Gibbs don't turn up or go in hard, no one else will either....

That other #1, Matt Kreuzer, shouldn't get away without comment.

I'll just say that in my opinion (and factoring injuries in) none of the three has got remotely close to my expectations for a #1 draft pick.

Let's pray Weitering does.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

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Reply #57 –
Quote from: Inboltswetrust – on
Throw ed curnow into the mix.  He is  ridiculously in the leadership group!  Throw Army in there too.  Guess what, he is in the leadership group too!   Kruzer is another.  Seriously, those 3 number 1 picks were butchered.  I'm starting to wonder whether we butchered another one (weiters).  Yes before you cut me down, we needed a forward.  Sache was the one.  He looks like he has a bit of nasties about him.  Weiters is a politically correct young chap. Wrong breed at a club already full of intraverts led by Mackay etc.   Anyway, Murphy's inglorious 0 tackle game in the weekend finished him for mine.  I never particularly liked his game style because he has always struggled to kick more that 35 metres.  For number 1 draft pick mid, this is a joke.  Gibbs doesn't give a fire truck about the club.  He's gone at the end of the year anyway.   The club is in crisis.  I've also heard from a good source (one of the carltonians) that crippa is looking for a trade end of the year.  What happens happens, but i think a board spill will end this muck very soon.  It has to because we are uncompetitive.  We belong in a different league (e.g the ammos).   Some of our kids are awesome, I love SPS and Fisher, Marchbank looks ok and I think Tom Williamson can play.  By the way while I am on it, Bolton... I am sick of his school teaching euphemisms.  Green shoots...ra ra ra.  Whatever.  Brisbane fielded a very inexperienced side and still almost knocked of the premiers.  I went to the Geelong v Saint Kilda game today, and apart from Danger and Selwood, have a guess who was possibly the 3rd best player on the ground........touey.   OMG.  Yes, that's right, he was awesome.  Why is it that players leave us and get better?  It's because we are a putza show.


Geez mate, I understand the discussion around Gibbs and Murphy but I don't agree that Kreuzer is also in their basket.

He might not be in the very best ruckmen in the comp for his tapwork but only had to look at this week to see how important he is to our midfield group.

A non negotiable i have as a supporter and member is to see 100% effort - Every game and from every player. 

I sometimes watch Gibbs and know I'm not getting it and Murphy while better in this department sometimes still leaves me wondering if he could go in harder, tackle more chase harder etc.....Kreuzer however busts his nut for 120 mins in every game he plays. I love the big fella and wish we had a list full of players with his heart.

Should not be in this discussion.

 

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Reply #58 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
That's why MM got Daisy!  ;)

But seriously, Brisvegas doesn't have that luxury....

When Murph and Gibbs don't turn up or go in hard, no one else will either....

That other #1, Matt Kreuzer, shouldn't get away without comment.

I'll just say that in my opinion (and factoring injuries in) none of the three has got remotely close to my expectations for a #1 draft pick.

Let's pray Weitering does.

Once a player makes it onto an AFL list, the number at which they're drafted is completely irrelevant.

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Reply #59 –
Weitering has 2nd year blues, they all get it because it is caused by the opposition not the player.

If you think this year is bad, think about having 5 or 6 débutantes with 2nd year blues next season! :o

The more we keep turning over the harder it will be to climb the ladder. We need players to get to 4 or 5 years, still be interested in playing for the club and be contracted before we can even dream of some success.

It why I argue against removing too many old heads at once, and why trading out Cripps and Weitering to bring in another bunch or four or five quality players might be the fastest way forward. We don't need one or two superstars, we need 30 goodish players.
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