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Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #135 –
Kreuz and Murphy named in team of the week R16.

Congratulations ;D
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #136 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

1. No Ratts and no Judd for starters, plus many of the supporting cast all gone.
2. A forward line that can't score
3. A midfield that provides limited supply to our forwards
4. Game plan focused on defense
5. A lot of youth

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #137 –
Either our senior players are overrated, our kids are overrated or both are.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #138 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Why are we down the bottom of the ladder?

We have superstars Cripps, Gibbs and Murphy in the middle.

The best ruckman in the comp in Kreuzer.

The best HBF in Docherty with Simpson right up there.

The best kids in the comp according to the rising star award.

Why are we still crap?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

FWIW, for the season thus far we have 695 inside 50's. Only Brisbane (694) is worse.

Yet, they average almost 3 more scoring shots a game compared to us.

So is it their mids delivering the ball to their forwards better?
Or it their forwards making better use of the delivery?

Looking at marks inside 50 actually shows that we average almost 3 more marks inside 50 a game compared to the lions.

So our forwards are marking the ball 3 times more a match inside 50, but overall we are having 3 shots less a game at goal?

Does that sound like a midfield problem or a forwardline problem?
FYI, our overall disposal efficiency is higher than the lions, despite us being last in handballs (an easier skill to execute).

Our goal accuracy is worse though, not surprisingly. But that doesn't account for the lack of scoring shots by comparison.

In short...
We are getting the ball inside 50 the same amount as the lions.
We are using the ball better with a higher disposal efficiency than the lions.
We are marking it inside 50 more than the lions.
We are kicking at goal worse than the lions.
We are having less scoring shots a game than the lions.

Why am i using the lions? Because they are on a par with us for inside 50's so it makes all the other stats comparing apples with apples. Also in a similar position ladder wise.

Remind me again of where some people think the problem is?

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #139 –
Quote from: jeza – on
"See this is what I don't get"... is a logical argument that is based on fact but doesn't fit your bias against one of our players. Tigers supporters eat their own at the drop of a hat - you should switch. Seriously switch.
Saints supporters celebrate mediocrity. Go support them.

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #140 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Either our senior players are overrated, our kids are overrated or both are.

Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #141 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

So we are ahead of where we thought we might be? Good. Nobody has said otherwise.

Does that mean we stop trying to improve?
Does that mean we stop trying to fill areas that we are deficient in?
Does that mean we sit back, crack a beer and wait?

Last time we thought we had all our holes filled with kids it was Lucas, Watson, Mitchell and McCarthy.

Still trying to fill those holes today.

Our forwardline was our biggest problem last year. What did we do to fix it in the off-season? Delisted Everitt and picked up Kerr. Not sure that is going to win us any flags.
What happens if McKay doesn't fill a role we desperately need him too? We need to wait another few years until the next, currently undrafted, kid comes on?

We need to be forward thinking and not content with where we are now.

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #143 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Or some supporters can't see the forest for the trees.......

Anyone that thinks we are not well ahead of where we should be has no clue.

We were a basket case 18 months ago. Sure we have holes BUT remember the sentence I just typed - we were a basket case 18 months ago.

Far from that today despite sitting near the bottom of the ladder.

Not sure what the club needs to do to please some so called supporters.

We're well ahead in 16th place LMAO.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #144 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
So we are ahead of where we thought we might be? Good. Nobody has said otherwise.

Does that mean we stop trying to improve?
Does that mean we stop trying to fill areas that we are deficient in?
Does that mean we sit back, crack a beer and wait?

Last time we thought we had all our holes filled with kids it was Lucas, Watson, Mitchell and McCarthy.

Still trying to fill those holes today.

Our forwardline was our biggest problem last year. What did we do to fix it in the off-season? Delisted Everitt and picked up Kerr. Not sure that is going to win us any flags.
What happens if McKay doesn't fill a role we desperately need him too? We need to wait another few years until the next, currently undrafted, kid comes on?

We need to be forward thinking and not content with where we are now.

Did I say I was content ? Did I say I didn't want them to try?  ::)
All I said was we are better placed then i thought we would be and I'm very pleased with the direction we are headed.
Agree and even said it we have holes to fill but who doesn't expect that to be the case 18months from being a basket case.


Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #145 –
We have both a fair amount of potential and a fair amount of deadwood on the list - most of the potential needs to be realized, and most of the deadwood needs to be replaced with something better, then we'll be going somewhere worthwhile.

Until then, we're just waiting and hoping

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #146 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
Speaking of which, Simmo's effort from 40 metres yesterday was pretty average.

True, if he's doing that seven years from now we'll be pretty pissed off! ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #147 –
Quote from: jeza – on
"See this is what I don't get"... is a logical argument that is based on fact but doesn't fit your bias against one of our players. Tigers supporters eat their own at the drop of a hat - you should switch. Seriously switch.

Reality is that Casboult is better, but his better is still well below par.

Opposition clubs would let him have the pill in preference to any other player on our list, are they picking on him too?

His one trick is contested marking, but it's worthless as a trick alone, like Warnock's tap work.

You can only go to the well so many times before it runs dry!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #148 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Did I say I was content ? Did I say I didn't want them to try?  ::)
All I said was we are better placed then i thought we would be and I'm very pleased with the direction we are headed.
Agree and even said it we have holes to fill but who doesn't expect that to be the case 18months from being a basket case.

So i'm the bad guy for pointing out, and trying to fill the holes we have?
Does that mean pointing out the shortcomings of our list, and obviously the players on it, make me 'anti-carlton' for doing so?

A lot of people seem content where we are at. (not specifically you)
Others, like myself, are trying to ensure that we push harder than ever before to make that extra step.

Its easy for a club to get off the bottom of the ladder.
Its extremely difficult for that club to be a genuine contendor soon after.

The work is far from done. Ahead of schedule? Perhaps. Personally i think a lot of people thought we'd be higher up the ladder by now. I used to get shouted down for suggesting this year would be a holding pattern of sorts in terms of ladder position. It's all tracking along nicely as expected IMO.

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #149 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We're well ahead in 16th place LMAO.

Watched any games??  Its not about ladder position, its about the players playing with a bit of ticker and the kids showing they WILL be good.  A few losses by a kick, turn into wins by a kick, and we are in the 8.  Ladder position is pretty much irrelevant this year.