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Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on September 13, 2013, 11:54:54 am

@CIMM

Kreuz wasn't chasing mate he was hobbling I promise you.

Cas kicked 3 goals in the last 40 mins of our game vs Richmond a few weeks ago including two strong marks in the goalsquare. The comments re him running out of steam are a myth trust me. The Hawks game earlier in the year he was simply outplayed in the second half by a smarter B. Lake. Granted that's just one example.

Not a myth.

He struggles to run out second halves.

Krooz may have been hobbling but he was still getting back to help in defence late in the game.

Cas is the man up forward and he'll play just hope he can be good late.

@LP

Kreuzer's biggest weakness is body on body in marking contests. If he gets a clear run at it he's a good chance, body on body he struggles to even get his hands on the ball.

FTR 2013:

Kreuzer 17 games 22 contested marks

Meat 10 games 25 contested marks.

That doesn't entirely reflect body on body but gives a decent enough comparison. The two don't compare. Hate to harp on about the Richmond game but Kreuzer wouldn't even have come close to taking those marks Cas took in the second half.

If our rucks (Kreuzer/Warnock) had the ability to even get their hands on the ball in marking contests Meat would be able to stay inside 50. Unfortunately that's not the case.

Nah I disagree, Kreuzer does not bring the ball to ground at all, like I said, he fails to even get his hands on the ball. Pull out any game from this year to figure that out. This is going nowhere, let's put it in the agree to disagree bucket and focus on the game.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on September 13, 2013, 02:11:33 pm

Nah I disagree, Kreuzer does not bring the ball to ground at all, like I said, he fails to even get his hands on the ball. Pull out any game from this year to figure that out. This is going nowhere, let's put it in the agree to disagree bucket and focus on the game.

I have no idea what games you are watching or what you think a contest is but it isn't marking on a lead on the wing!

Quote from: LP – on September 13, 2013, 02:13:02 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on September 13, 2013, 02:11:33 pm

Nah I disagree, Kreuzer does not bring the ball to ground at all, like I said, he fails to even get his hands on the ball. Pull out any game from this year to figure that out. This is going nowhere, let's put it in the agree to disagree bucket and focus on the game.

I have no idea what games you are watching or what you think a contest is but it isn't marking on a lead on the wing!

OK one more comment.
 
I would call a long kickout from a behind to a contest on the HBF outside 50 a contested situation. Kreuzer time and time fails to impact these contests (as does Warnock).

Meat has never had the primo endurance that a bloke like Cloke or Reiwoldt has, yet he has been playing the wing / high forward / HBF marking role and it kills him off. Inmy opinion he needs to staying inside F50 to act as a target for the Amigos to rove to, we do not even need him to mark it every time, we just need him to make sure he is not out marked.

For Carlton, what an incredible difference a week makes. Or does it? Duigan has effectively been on the outer for the entire year and only got a late reprieve after Brock McLean’s last-minute withdrawal. Will one good final ensure his future, having been overlooked on 20 other occasions this year? Did Eddie Betts’ industrious, three-goal performance encourage those in charge of re-contracting him to revisit their initial offer?

Have we come any closer to unravelling the enigma that is Jarrad Waite, who once again gave every indication that he could be one of the very best forwards in the competition? The answer to that question ultimately lies with Waite, and the injury gods who have denied him a consistent run at it for most of his career. You get the feeling that the Blues will not deviate from their search for a big key forward, despite managing 18 goals on the weekend.

While those questions remain unanswered, there were definitive answers elsewhere for the Blues, courtesy of their fortuitous foray into September.

Any doubts that Chris Judd’s match-winning ability had passed him by were put to bed. Bryce Gibbs played the sort of game, on the back of the sort of month of football, that is far more in keeping with his ability, and that will elevate his standing in the game.

Marc Murphy has influenced the result of  critical games in the past few weeks, and with a big pre-season under his belt will justify his elevation to captain.

Mitch Robinson showed the mental strength, to complement his physical strength, by putting a brain-fade behind him and playing a magnificent, game-defining last quarter. Dare I say it, it was a mature statement from him. 

Tom Bell demonstrated that he is a player of September standard, Ed Curnow can assume Ryan Crowley type of importance to the Blues and Kade Simpson deserves the recognition that is finally coming his way.

Yes, there were some pleasing answers to season-long questions for the Blues. But there has been no better team to ask the questions, in recent years, than the Swans. The exam just got a whole lot harder.

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Meat has never had the primo endurance that a bloke like Cloke or Reiwoldt has, yet he has been playing the wing / high forward / HBF marking role and it kills him off. Inmy opinion he needs to staying inside F50 to act as a target for the Amigos to rove to, we do not even need him to mark it every time, we just need him to make sure he is not out marked.

Spot on.  Waite plays the lead up role, the Bolt lurks around the goal front.

Quote from: flyboy77 – on September 13, 2013, 02:29:04 pm

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Meat has never had the primo endurance that a bloke like Cloke or Reiwoldt has, yet he has been playing the wing / high forward / HBF marking role and it kills him off. Inmy opinion he needs to staying inside F50 to act as a target for the Amigos to rove to, we do not even need him to mark it every time, we just need him to make sure he is not out marked.

Spot on.  Waite plays the lead up role, the Bolt lurks around the goal front.

And ruck.

His ruck role is as important and you can't do that lurking in the goal square.