Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #45 – September 06, 2017, 12:17:24 pm Quote from: LP – on September 06, 2017, 12:07:22 pmThere are no excuses for physical or verbal abuse.Two wrongs do not make a right, leave that to the anarchists!Good lord. Somebody called somebody else a bad name. The Constitution is collapsing. The conservative lobby hold most of the power. The playing field is not level at all. But sure, let's "debate" this topic for another 100 years. We don't want to rush any decisions. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #46 – September 06, 2017, 12:23:24 pm Quote from: PaulP – on September 06, 2017, 12:17:24 pmGood lord. Somebody called somebody else a bad name. The Constitution is collapsing. The conservative lobby hold most of the power. The playing field is not level at all. But sure, let's "debate" this topic for another 100 years. We don't want to rush any decisions.Yes they did, it's called bullying, and the very side doing the name calling frequently claims they are victims of it!There is an old, a very old saying; "The smeller is the fella!" Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #47 – September 06, 2017, 12:28:14 pm Quote from: LP – on September 06, 2017, 12:23:24 pmYes they did, it's called bullying, and the very side doing the name calling claims they are victims of it!There is an old, a very old saying; "The smeller is the fella!"The point is that, given enough provocation, the gay lobby will occasionally lose its cool. For decades they have defended themselves against all sorts of conservative BS - that their lifestyle is immoral, against God and the Church, that they want to turn the kiddies into poofters and lesbians, that they support pedophilia etc. The fact that they will lose their rag occasionally is perfectly understandable IMO, and should not in any way be used as an excuse to avoid the wider issues at play. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #48 – September 06, 2017, 12:29:52 pm PaulOn neither side is bullying an okay practise and I agree that those fed up have often been bullied along the process, but you can't take that out on someone expressing an opinion.Their is a platform to try and facilitate change and it can be done respectfully by all parties.Otherwise people are going to get their backs up.If this is handled correctly the change will occur (I think it will regardless), but there is absolutely no excuse for bullying at all. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #49 – September 06, 2017, 12:32:53 pm Quote from: mateinone – on September 06, 2017, 12:29:52 pmPaulOn neither side is bullying an okay practise and I agree that those fed up have often been bullied along the process, but you can't take that out on someone expressing an opinion.Their is a platform to try and facilitate change and it can be done respectfully by all parties.Otherwise people are going to get their backs up.If this is handled correctly the change will occur (I think it will regardless), but there is absolutely no excuse for bullying at all.There's no excuse for it, but i can understand why it happens. And tbh, I empathize with them. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #50 – September 06, 2017, 12:39:12 pm Quote from: PaulP – on September 06, 2017, 12:32:53 pmThere's no excuse for it, but i can understand why it happens. And tbh, I empathize with them.I understand why it happens also, but I don't respect or empathise.A cause starts to lose people once it loses moral high ground and attacking people and their livelihood was enough to do it for me Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #51 – September 06, 2017, 12:44:48 pm Well hopefully they win the vote and they can stop hijacking Father's day and my Facebook page. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #52 – September 06, 2017, 12:45:45 pm Quote from: mateinone – on September 06, 2017, 12:39:12 pmI understand why it happens also, but I don't respect or empathise.A cause starts to lose people once it loses moral high ground and attacking people and their livelihood was enough to do it for meI think the words and actions need to be seen in a broader context, more specifically in a context of power relations. As I stated earlier, most of the power resides in the conservative lobby - political power, media power, social power, historical power etc. The gay lobby is under represented in all these areas. The fight isn't fair at all. The poo pooing of the gay lobby for name calling needs to be seen in such a context. Bullying is not the same on both sides, not does it carry the same weight, or sting. If society and politicians had some sense to begin with, things would not have devolved to this point. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #53 – September 06, 2017, 12:48:06 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on September 06, 2017, 12:44:48 pmWell hopefully they win the vote and they can stop hijacking Father's day and my Facebook page.Your FB page must be quite something. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #54 – September 06, 2017, 12:51:28 pm PaulNot all groups are represented equally and they won't whilst the distribution in the population isn't equal.But here is the thing, all polls point to most Australian's agreeing with the cause, but like every cause, it has to follow process.It doesn't matter if it was equal or not equal.Because people have been bullied in the past (or now) it doesn't excuse passing that to another person.As for the 'fight' being fair. You are right, it isn't, but not in the way you are stressing.It isn't poo pooing as you call it over name calling. It is bullying and it is specifically trying to impact peoples lives for their views. A gay couple apparently come out against gay marriage and was apparently hounded with calls of being homophobic etc. What if it was to turn into a slanging match on both sides? There is nothing dignified and respectful about that.Nothing can be said that justifies the attacks on people for their views. It is unnecessary and ridiculous. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #55 – September 06, 2017, 12:52:05 pm Quote from: PaulP – on September 06, 2017, 12:48:06 pmYour FB page must be quite something.Sorry not my page, my news feed. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #56 – September 06, 2017, 12:56:43 pm Quote from: mateinone – on September 06, 2017, 12:51:28 pmPaulNot all groups are represented equally and they won't whilst the distribution in the population isn't equal.But here is the thing, all polls point to most Australian's agreeing with the cause, but like every cause, it has to follow process.It doesn't matter if it was equal or not equal.Because people have been bullied in the past (or now) it doesn't excuse passing that to another person.As for the 'fight' being fair. You are right, it isn't, but not in the way you are stressing.It isn't poo pooing as you call it over name calling. It is bullying and it is specifically trying to impact peoples lives for their views. A gay couple apparently come out against gay marriage and was apparently hounded with calls of being homophobic etc. What if it was to turn into a slanging match on both sides? There is nothing dignified and respectful about that.Nothing can be said that justifies the attacks on people for their views. It is unnecessary and ridiculous.MIO, I think we're moving in ever decreasing circles on this topic. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #57 – September 06, 2017, 01:02:08 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on September 06, 2017, 12:52:05 pmSorry not my page, my news feed.+1 its irritating me to the point of madness.The other thing that is irritating me, is the fact that the "no" vote boosters are getting no right to campaign (I don't care what basis is used to justify that, its wrong).You can't have a proper election by silencing one side so why would this apply in a discussion which is ironically promoting marriage equality?It seems to have missed the point somewhat and the meaning of the word. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #58 – September 06, 2017, 01:06:51 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on September 06, 2017, 01:02:08 pm+1 its irritating me to the point of madness.The other thing that is irritating me, is the fact that the "no" vote boosters are getting no right to campaign (I don't care what basis is used to justify that, its wrong).You can't have a proper election by silencing one side so why would this apply in a discussion which is ironically promoting marriage equality?It seems to have missed the point somewhat and the meaning of the word.I doubt there are any genuine, legal or other impediments stopping the no voters from campaigning. They probably realize they need to operate by subterfuge because their position is untenable nonsense. Quote Selected
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! Reply #59 – September 06, 2017, 01:10:18 pm Quote from: PaulP – on September 06, 2017, 01:06:51 pmI doubt there are any genuine, legal or other impediments stopping the no voters from campaigning. They probably realize they need to operate by subterfuge because their position is untenable nonsense.Is it though?Should I just believe you because you are telling me it is?I dont like being told what to believe.It reminds me of living in a fascist dictatorship. Quote Selected