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Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #105 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
A few points.

1. Polson can't be just dropped.   His effort was good his impact not.  He's on his last chance to show he can play at this level and I don't see the point in dropping him given the pressure acts and second efforts he brought to the game. 

2.  Weitering is not in great form but is working really hard and covering a lot of territory.   Confidence seems the issue and he got better last night.   Dropping him could make him go backwards and it's not like we have too many options (right now).

3.  Our "offensive" game plan isn't really giving us more scoring it's just hacking it into forward fifty.  I'd rather we revert to last year where players actually knew what they and the next bloke were doing.

Agree, he did look a bit better overall. We need to stick with him now, having made that commitment, at least for a couple more games in a clearly defined role. Not sure how that will pan out though in the light of our ZD debacle.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #106 –
We need to review our "play them in the 2's" proposal folks. Me included.
Our 2's are getting a record breaking thrashing by a mediocre side :-\
Gulp......
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #107 –
Re: Sidebottom sling tackle on little Zac.
Sidebottom cops a $2k fine. Free to play next week ::)
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #108 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
A few points.

1. Polson can't be just dropped.   His effort was good his impact not.  He's on his last chance to show he can play at this level and I don't see the point in dropping him given the pressure acts and second efforts he brought to the game.  We seem to be non-competitive with so many lightweights in the team together

2.  Weitering is not in great form but is working really hard and covering a lot of territory.   Confidence seems the issue and he got better last night.   Dropping him could make him go backwards and it's not like we have too many options (right now).

3.  Our "offensive" game plan isn't really giving us more scoring it's just hacking it into forward fifty.  I'd rather we revert to last year where players actually knew what they and the next bloke were doing. Our offensive game plan is offensive to the fans

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #109 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
Re: Sidebottom sling tackle on little Zac.
Sidebottom cops a $2k fine. Free to play next week ::)
Probably because no concussion resulted. TBH, I prefer fines to suspensions for rough tackles.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #110 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
Re: Sidebottom sling tackle on little Zac.
Sidebottom cops a $2k fine. Free to play next week ::)

Commentary crew made sure of that, if it had been Cripps doing the tackle they would have crucified him!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #111 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Several of our faster players are similarly likely to give up on the chase when they don't think they will be able to catch their opponent - instead of trying to impose every possible bit of physical pressure on the man with the ball.

Watching yesterday we didn't have much pace at all, which is a massive worry for lightly framed types.

Two big problems for me, SPS looks slow he's not able to keep up, Dow was touted as a ready-made but looks light and after two weeks timid in the AFL!

Our defence wasn't the problem last night, our problem is the players up the field exerting zero pressure as the opposition leave our F50.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #112 –
There was one piece of play in the 2nd q slightly forward of the wing on AFL members side, Murphy and CCurnow approaching a loose ball, Murph signals to Charlie to drop back as if to say, "I'll pass it to you when I get it".
Curnow wheels back towards the goals but Murph for some reason either eased off a little or didn't realise the C'wood defenders were as close as they were (or both) with the result that they beat him to the loose ball, forced it out of bounds and the ascendancy was lost.

Really dumb option. Would have been a better option for one or the other to provide a shepherd or stay close enough for a handball assist.

Also a worry that the captain couldn't deliver during a clutch moment.
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #113 –
Quote from: IvanAwfulbigone – on
There was one piece of play in the 2nd q slightly forward of the wing on AFL members side, Murphy and CCurnow approaching a loose ball, Murph signals to Charlie to drop back as if to say, "I'll pass it to you when I get it".
Curnow wheels back towards the goals but Murph for some reason either eased off a little or didn't realise the C'wood defenders were as close as they were (or both) with the result that they beat him to the loose ball, forced it out of bounds and the ascendancy was lost.

Really dumb option. Would have been a better option for one or the other to provide a shepherd or stay close enough for a handball assist.

Also a worry that the captain couldn't deliver during a clutch moment.
Right in front me, I nearly vomited. Read my recent post re the captain.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #114 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
Alot has been said about the days of Elliot, but we would go back there in an instant. He was ALWAYS front and centre defending the brand. The club is irrelevant now and is just making up numbers in the comp.

Oh we're relevant all right.  Without Carlton, how would other clubs ...

- get their season back on track?
- give their success starved fans some long awaited joy?
- grant a besieged coach some breathing space?
- achieve a morale and percentage boost?
- extend their unbeaten run to x?
- etc.

We are the charity team of the AFL (and doesn't it feel good  ::) ?)
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #115 –
Quote
"We can't be defined on just wins and losses. We need to be defined on pressure .....

"It's about pressure. We want to be defined as a team that gives effort and pressure.

"Brendon Bolton 2016"

I think this game boiled down to the fact that at times when we showed effort, pressure and intensity we were right in it....on top even.
When that dropped off so did we.

We are yet to be defined :(

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #116 –
the collins / kernahan era really set us back.
The former was a bees dk from destroying the club permanently, the latter never really grasped the ongoing cycles of development and retention. His five year blue print to 2 premierships didn't even yield 1 top 4 finish , which is a testament to this failure. This malthouse idolator, rolled the clubs dice much the same way elliot rolled it in his time.
We have lost one player on a minor indiscretion, another cause we felt 50k pa increase was too much, another who is an all Australian ruckman, another who's a premiership player. etc. The Remanence of a failed era currently still haunts us in other clubs stocks.
17 years, false dawns, false prophets, some joy, mostly pain and we're here today, a bunch of kids, some potential stars, lots of duds in a full blown start of a length rebuild with no guarantees.
I like bolts, he's a critical thinker, steady hand and he knows how long and hard this will be, the media seem to lay off him and the group, but a club starved of any success will loose commercial viability, thus resulting in a do something mentality (rinse repeat) and thus becomes the conundrum that is Carlton that will make collingwoods past flag droughts reasonable


Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #117 –
We still have past champions involved, who despite their illustrious playing history are yet to deliver success as part of any AFL administration.

More idolatry?

"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #118 –
list managers recruit presidents these days?

Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #119 –
Sick of hearing those media grabs like, "Carlton won the I50 count!"

They are meaningless and worthless hyperbole twisting stats.

We spend many minutes of gut busting effort to scramble the ball a few meters inside the F50 arc usually deep in a pocket in a manor best described as a maul. Only to see the opposition sweep the ball from their defense to their goal square within a few seconds in what could be best described as a streak.

The quality of entry means something, and perhaps the ease of the exit means even more!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"