2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

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Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #75 – April 15, 2018, 09:03:10 am

We are playing injured players and when you lose the majority of our already light on top end talent, we instantly become non competitive.

We need close to a full list to really guage where we are at.

From last nights game:

Murphy missing
Docherty missing
Marchbank missing
Lang missing
Pickett missing
Kruezer and Kennedy both are injured and shouldn’t be playing

Pretty much have no midfield once you add losing Gibbs to that list.

Having said that our skills are woeful and bringing in the likes of mullet, O’Shea and retaining graham makes no sense to me.

Once the emotion from last night subsided a little I realized while we are still miles away in this rebuild, there are also some real reasons some beyond our control as to why we performed like we did last night.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #76 – April 15, 2018, 09:03:35 am

Quote from: PaulP on April 15, 2018, 08:59:03 am

Hey everybody ! Why so glum ? In the not too distant future, when we become the Melbourne equivalent of the great Brisbane 3peat teams, performances like yesterday will be a long, distant memory. Just hang on my friends. Food will taste better, the air will seem fresher. You'll have more energy and self confidence than you ever dreamed of.

Help me get through this Pauly.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #77 – April 15, 2018, 09:56:44 am

Out coached.

NM crowded our forwards. Bolton had no counter plan.

Expect crisis meetings soon

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #78 – April 15, 2018, 09:56:59 am

Lambs to the slaughter.

In a previous post, TOWNSENDCALLING, mentioned that we're not sliding in a couple of newbies amongst hardened senior footballers... spot on. We have a team of newbies crying out for direction/leadership where there simply isn't any, or precious little. The real danger in this is that history will repeat... newbies brought into a losing culture run the very real risk of ending up learning how to deal with failure/don't know how to win. Addressing this requires superior coaching and all round club culture to avoid having a group of 'potential' who never realise what they could achieve.

Rowe and ASOS are more important in this side than many may realise. They're both strong, hard and vocal. Sadly there's not much more than a season or two in each of them.

Murphy is not a leader and as such his loss wasn't significant, however, as a player, his loss was significant - but nowhere near an 86 pt difference.

Cripps is getting frustrated with the lack of support, but he really is growing nicely as a leader... please don't dampen that dash of mongrel he's got CFC, just direct it.

Daisy really stood up as a leader and player last night.

Jones is a one dimensional player who has been worked out by opposition clubs. Someone suggested he should be loose on the backline to play on instinct - absolutely, and it's the only way he can play.

Weitering needs a break, his head aint right, and wheeling him out each week is only setting him up for more failure and self-esteem issues .

We have plenty of blokes taking the field who fly in the face of BBs mantra of only playing blokes who have the form... clearly Garlett, Mullett, O'Shea, Weitering and even Kennedy, don't/haven't show enough to suggest they're in form or up to footy as this level... BUT the cupboard is bare in terms of replacements.

Kreuzer needs a rest, he's a shadow of last year. Marchbank and Kennedy worry me in terms of being glass men. (I watched Tomlinson and Hopper yesterday and dreamt of what could have been!).

So last night we carried into the game plenty of blokes who are in average or less form, or are deeply inexperienced (in terms of AFL footy and/or understanding our game plan), injured or just not up to it... recipe for disaster - an 86 pt disaster.

Phillips and others... please show something in today's NBs game!!!!!

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #79 – April 15, 2018, 09:57:53 am

yea, like this afternoon at Prince's Park after the seconds get done by 150 points and we have 23 fit blokes to pick a side from for next week.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #80 – April 15, 2018, 10:25:30 am

I think we have gotten ahead of ourselves.

We have dropped triers like Silvagni in round 1, o Shea in round 2, lamb and polson in round 3, to bring in players with little exposed form and have avoided dropping others who are talented but not contributing and also blokes carrying injuries with the end result being last night's debacle.

Sometimes you have to reward the effort in order to ensure players keep playing with effort.

I'm not sure going with bam bam and Dow first up ahead of kerridge with his finish to last season has sent the right message to the group.

We've since obviously made further changes that have similarly cost us the ability to be competitive and it's all pointing to us having pulled the wrong reign.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #81 – April 15, 2018, 10:29:54 am

What the fark has happened since the Richmond game ?? Did they get ahead if themselves because they gave the reigining premiers a run for their money ??

Its heen nothing short of embarrassing ever since that night.

Thats 2 weeks in a row noe that Ive turned it off at halftime and not bothered watching the second half. I at least checked back a couple times after qtr time for the Gold Coast game.

Dont think I'll even bother watching any of it next week.

Im cooked... Im done.... OVER IT.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #82 – April 15, 2018, 10:30:25 am

Here is a big part of our problem:

Sam Docherty      Season
Jarrod Pickett      10 weeks
Ciaran Byrne      3-4 weeks
Tom Williamson      3-4 weeks
Darcy Lang      Test
Cillian McDaid      4-5 weeks
Caleb Marchbank   4 weeks
Matthew Lobbe      4 weeks
Alex Silvagni      2-3 weeks
Murphy Who knows?
Kennedy Who knows?
Kreuzer    Who knows?

That's nearly half of our best team is unavailable and won't be available for at least a month.

Strap yourselves in for a rough ride and see how we look at the end of May.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #83 – April 15, 2018, 10:38:42 am

Quote from: Wet Willie on April 15, 2018, 10:30:25 am

Here is a big part of our problem:

Sam Docherty      Season
Jarrod Pickett      10 weeks
Ciaran Byrne      3-4 weeks
Tom Williamson      3-4 weeks
Darcy Lang      Test
Cillian McDaid      4-5 weeks
Caleb Marchbank   4 weeks
Matthew Lobbe      4 weeks
Alex Silvagni      2-3 weeks
Murphy Who knows?
Kennedy Who knows?
Kreuzer    Who knows?

That's nearly half of our best team is unavailable and won't be available for at least a month.

Strap yourselves in for a rough ride and see how we look at the end of May.

Don't buy that. My best team before the season had...
Murphy
Kreuzer
Docherty
Marchbank
and maybe Pickett and Kennedy.

That was maybe 6 players. Not half our best 22. Not even close.

Obviously injuries don't help, but how many injuries did we have from that group in R2?

Docherty
Kennedy
Pickett
...and not much else.

Injuries are not responsible for the turnaround from week 1 to week 2, nor week 2 to week 3 and not even from week 3 to week 4.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #84 – April 15, 2018, 10:57:46 am

Rowe, Simpson, ACOS, Thomas...how long do they have, some think Rowe and ACOS can provide stability down back and thats probably true but only short term but then what? ..

And then we have others wanting Kerridge back.....bandaids only and not very good ones....
I watched Jessie Glass McCasker last week vs Collingwood in the VFL and he is horrendous with his awareness, ball use....he has actually got worse... are we breaking these kids in the twos?...How do our players end up worse than when they arrive?...ditto Weitering.....who is next Harry?

Something aint right in the coaching area, we need a review done by a independent panel of qualified persons to get to the bottom of what is wrong and act on recommendations....How can our entire operation ie VFL, AFL and even the womens team be so poor across the board....

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #85 – April 15, 2018, 10:58:14 am

Quote from: buzza on April 15, 2018, 09:56:44 am

Out coached.

NM crowded our forwards. Bolton had no counter plan.

Expect crisis meetings soon

We have forwards?

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #86 – April 15, 2018, 11:04:05 am

Quote from: Wet Willie on April 15, 2018, 10:30:25 am

Here is a big part of our problem:

Sam Docherty      Season
Jarrod Pickett      10 weeks
Ciaran Byrne      3-4 weeks
Tom Williamson      3-4 weeks
Darcy Lang      Test
Cillian McDaid      4-5 weeks
Caleb Marchbank   4 weeks
Matthew Lobbe      4 weeks
Alex Silvagni      2-3 weeks
Murphy Who knows?
Kennedy Who knows?
Kreuzer    Who knows?

That's nearly half of our best team is unavailable and won't be available for at least a month.

Strap yourselves in for a rough ride and see how we look at the end of May.

There is a LOT to be said about this. Of the players listed only McDaid and Lobbe were NOT in our plans for 2018 in a big way.

Lang and Kennedy were to replace Gibbs and add to our midfield depth and staying power. Where have we been beaten this season? In the midfield.

Alex Silvagni (and Rowe) were there to offer strength and stability to our defence. Without them Jones has been struggling.

Docherty has been a HUGE hole in our defence, as he added so much confidence to our younger defenders.

Ciaran Byrne and Tom Williamson were those to add athleticism, pace and run for our defence. They were supposed to get to contests and run down forwards.

Jarrod Pickett was to add pace and defensive pressure to our forward line.

Marchbank has been OK, but we have missed him and will continue to, even if his form has been average.

Murphy was an open wound last night. There have been those who knock his leadership, and they do have a point. But without him last night we were very ordinary and lacked his ability in the midfield. He was the leader and he was gone: that is how we played.

Kreuzer: in the pre-season he looked like he was going to have another year like last year. Instead he has struggled with injury and needs a few weeks to recover. We can't afford him to off at the moment, but that is another tale. But the result of his injuries he has been beaten by guys he beat last year. With a weakened midfield, that is an advantage we cannot afford to give away.

Lobbe would be useful: he was recruited to fill in when our rucks were down. But he hasn't been able to get on the field to a realistic level as yet. He may not add much around the ground, but he does get taps and he does direct them.

You look at that and there is a HUGE hole in our team that is not easy to cover. No team can cover that many important players while we haven't the depth to realistically succeed at it.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #87 – April 15, 2018, 11:05:09 am

Quote from: blue4life on April 15, 2018, 10:58:14 am

We have forwards?

Shhh..............AFL's best kept secret.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #88 – April 15, 2018, 11:12:16 am

Our forward line was poor last night, but the delivery to it was almost criminal. How were we going to take big pack marks in those conditions? Unbelievable! Had they looked to open the forward line and find a leading target, we still would have lost, but maybe not quite so badly.

At the moment we bomb the ball in and have no structure to stop the ball coming out. For that matter, we get very few crumbing goals. We usually just turn the ball over.

Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #89 – April 15, 2018, 11:19:28 am

SPS really worries me too... was hard as nails last year but this year has been lazy, won't tackle and jibbing contests.

Who chucked the weedkiller on all our green shoots?