Carlton Supporters Club

Richmond are a textbook example of a champion team as opposed to a team of champions. Looking at their list, you think they're average, but when they play together, the whole is much greater than the sum of their parts.

You could say the same and more about Footscray 2016 and Sydney 2012, and Collingwood 2010 wasn't a stellar team talent wise but they finished on top with a percentage of 141.
I'm not selling Richmond short, but I don't think that they're in the same class as the great Hawthorn, Geelong and Brisbane sides of the past two decades.
It all comes down to recruiting, if you can get all of your ducks in a row on that score the sky's the limit.

What evidence do you have to support that, are you sure history supports that claim?

Pretty confident.

But for those playing at home....

Sauce vs Kreuzer has occured 4 times previously.

Here is a quick breakdown.

R8, 2012 
Kreuzer (17HOs, 7 poss, 1 goal)
Jacobs (38, 6, 0)
*Hampson (29, 5, 0)

Sauce clearly better in the ruck than Kreuzer, so much so that Hampson was better than Kreuzer as well.

R10, 2015
Kreuzer (11, 11, 2)
Jacobs (39, 18, 1)
*Wood (17, 9, 0)

Sauce better than both Kreuzer and Wood combined. Despite kicking 2 goals to 1, our 2 players efforts were matched by their 1.

R16, 2016
Kreuzer (15,8,0)
Jacobs (36, 13, 3)
*Phillips (19,9, 0)

Sauce not only matched our 2 players efforts, but surpassed them with 3 goals. Jacobs 2 brownlow votes

R15, 2017
Kreuzer (42, 14, 0)
Jacobs (31, 10, 1)
*Casboult (8, 12, 2)
**Jenkins (9, 13, 3)

Even with Kreuzer in career best form, Jacobs was able to hit the scoreboard more, together with the respective backups.

So basically Jacobs has been able to outdo the work of 2 of our ruckmen himself in most instances.

Kruddler, you made very sweeping stupid statement, and spent a lot of time formulating an elaborate cherry picked but extremely thin defence of it!
And Tippett and Jenkins, in a game we played Kreuzer as a forward and had Hampson 1st ruck?
R10 was Kreuzer's first game back from injury after missing the start of 2015.
Yes, 2016, the season Kreuzer played on after injuring his knee about mid-season
So even when he plays well unhindered by injury you talk him down to prove your point.

A match report for the Crows read; Sam Jacobs;- Would want to rebound strongly next week as Matthew Kreuzer won the big man contest easily.

I like Kreuzer but I would never want our club to use a top draft pick on a ruckman again.

Neither Gibbs, Murphy or Kreuzer has ever really been a stand out #1 draft pick....

Good, but very seldom great i.e. match winners.

I reckon in each case - if we had our time again - different choices would be made....

Hopefully Weitering comes good!

So reading into that, what you are telling me is that when Kreuzer gets beaten by sauce this week, you will say "Oh its because it was his first game back from injury and thats why he was beaten by sauce"

If he is good enough, he is good enough. He simply doesn't match up on sauce well who outdoes him around the ground and in front of goals.

No harm in that, sauce is an awesome ruck.
Just saying, give Phillips the job and rest kreuzer until he is fully fit.

Kreuzer is injured again no doubt about that, when fit he is a far better ruck option than Jacobs. Despite Jacobs accumulating large numbers of hit-outs occasionally nobody has ever seriously considers him for an AA spot, while some (even non-Carlton commentators) believe Kreuzer has been robbed of a spot, there is a reason for that!

The idea that Jacobs dominates Carlton is unsupported by the match reports and the stats, he's had very few good games against us, on average we have him covered. Statistically looking at Jacobs top 51 games against all opposition Carlton only features twice, at 14th and 51st. On averages against Carlton he's middle of the field, head to head Kreuzer has been better for Carlton against Adelaide than Jacobs has been for the Crows against us. That is reality, nothing subjective to opinionated about it!

There is simply so much wrong with what you right, that i'm simply going to agree to disagree.

That is 100% subjective and even the 'stats' you indirectly talk about doesn't actually back up your argument.

That is like saying Tony Locketts best game of AFL football were not against Carlton when he was at St. Kilda. And Luke O'Sullivans best games were against St. Kilda....so Rhino is better than Plugger. That logic makes no correlation to their base performances. Loosely summarised, Plugger averaged 5 goals a game. Rhino, 5 games a year.

There is simply so much wrong with what you right, that i'm simply going to agree to disagree.

Not getting involved in the argument, go at it guys .....but I found this funny 

Ignoring the Freudian slip, you are not getting out of this by reverting to your usual absurdities, you have made a rubbish statement.

Here is a Final Siren Head to Head, the relevant section shows reality about any claims of Jacobs domination against Carlton.

I suspect like many fans, your rage at losing Jacobs has coloured your perception of his performances!