Carlton Supporters Club

Cmon Lods, thats a bit naive.

Which footy club has ever come out and said we will be bottom 2 this year?

Bolton has always said he won't put a ceiling on expectations because anything is possible. For him, or anyone within the club, to say otherwise would be....
a) Opposite of what they've said previously.
b) Cause a division within the club due to mixed messages
c) be a red flag to any potential players/free agents coming in
d) be a red flag to any players potentially looking at their options elsewhere.

The club has never said, not even in the Green Shoots days of yore, that they expected to lose games, or weren't worried if they lost. No club ever says it, and no club ever will, irrespective of what they may think behind the scenes. Neither Judd, nor Bolton, or anyone else will ever say "we expect to finish bottom 2." I don't know what their internal expectations were.

They said the expectation, when they swapped picks with Adelaide, was that they would rise up the ladder. As judd said, certainly weren't expecting 1-8. Probably wasn't in their worst nightmares.

And which club would come out and say, "yes we fully expected to be 1-8." ?

It's not a matter of saying it. I can't believe they were expecting it.but you are quite entitled to believe they're deceiving the supporters. I much prefer to believe they're  being frank.

And which club would come out and say, "yes we fully expected to be 1-8." ?

They're not lying, but understanding of timing is needed. The Stocker pick swap was in November (22nd or 23rd?), and at the time, expecting Docherty back, and a few other things, they were probably fair dinkum wrt a rise up the ladder, Nobody could foresee that in early December Doc would miss another season. Nobody could foresee that we'd lose a couple of games by less than a kick. As Carey said, winning or losing games by less than a goal is down to luck.

They're not lying, but understanding of timing is needed. The Stocker pick swap was in November (22nd or 23rd?), and at the time, expecting Docherty back, and a few other things, they were probably fair dinkum wrt a rise up the ladder, Nobody could foresee that in early December Doc would miss another season. Nobody could foresee that we'd lose a couple of games by less than a kick. As Carey said, winning or losing games by less than a goal is down to luck.

Come on kruds. That's a bit naive.
They would never have expected to be 1 and 8. They would not have expected to be sitting last at this stage .

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set a low target of 6 wins, whats he scared of?

Actually there's some creative license being applied to our thinking here.

Our pick swap with adelaide for the stocker pick meant that we anticipated that we were not going to be significantly worse off at the draft table with the bonus of getting Liam stocker last season.

It was a move done to get our next young player in the door a year ahead of time.

To win that trade we only need to finish within 14 spots on the ladder with adelaide given stocker is rated pick 6 (according to sos) last year.

Currently that's an 11 spot difference.  

It's worth remembering that this season still has life in it, and irrespective of where we finish I can't see adelaide finishing much higher than they are currently if they make finals at all.

Actually there's some creative license being applied to our thinking here.

Our pick swap with adelaide for the stocker pick meant that we anticipated that we were not going to be significantly worse off at the draft table with the bonus of getting Liam stocker last season.

It was a move done to get our next young player in the door a year ahead of time.

To win that trade we only need to finish within 14 spots on the ladder with adelaide given stocker is rated pick 6 (according to sos) last year.

Currently that's an 11 spot difference.  

It's worth remembering that this season still has life in it, and irrespective of where we finish I can't see adelaide finishing much higher than they are currently if they make finals at all.

Crows win if they get Grundy using our pick.....

Full of ridiculous spin.

There is no way they expected to be 1-8 no what way you want to spin things. Don't tell us otherwise.

Must be getting harder and harder to find spin to suit your argument.

You point to spin, i'll point to the scoreboard.