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Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #75 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes indeedy. I can't figure out which is worse - maintaining a lead most of the game and then losing in the dying seconds like Suns and Hawks, or trailing most of the game and having to play break neck footy in the dying minutes, and still losing. It's like two ends of a spectrum, with a yawning chasm in between.

Coming from behind and falling short is much better.
We really didn't deserve to get as close as we did...shows a bit of character to come back.
Losing after leading for most of the game shows a fragility.

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #76 –
Plowman should be banned from kicking in duties and Newman is only marginally better.

Interesting use of Kennedy the past two rounds - I wonder if Teague is using him as a forward on the basis of the reclamation process that helped Brock McLean resuscitate his career after beginning similarly ineffective and too slow as a midfielder.

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #77 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Coming from behind and falling short is much better.
We really didn't deserve to get as close as we did...shows a bit of character to come back.
Losing after leading for most of the game shows a fragility.

I think they both show something negative. You could reasonably argue that coming from behind and falling short shows something negative at the front end. In fact the more I think about it, the more I think the opposite is better. Leading most of the game shows you are doing a few things right and have the opposition's measure.

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #78 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Plowman should be banned from kicking in duties and Newman is only marginally better.

Interesting use of Kennedy the past two rounds - I wonder if Teague is using him as a forward on the basis of the reclamation process that helped Brock McLean resuscitate his career after beginning similarly ineffective and too slow as a midfielder.

Newman despite a incredulous clanger played well, if we didn't have him mopping up we'd have lost by 5 or 10 goals.

McLean was a gun midfielder playing in a selfish team, he was probably as good if not better than Carrazzo as an inside mid while comfortably being a better kick, and McLean worked as hard as any player in the AFL to create space and provide an option, but our blokes wouldn't kick the football to him, instead they would opt to bomb it 60m onto the outnumbered head of Betts so that Eddie could win one in every 10 contests!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #79 –
I never understood the hate for Brock.

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #80 –
Quote from: dodge – on
They started today as they trained at the open session yesterday - missed handballs,  not catching a handball, plenty of ordinary kicks.

We should have lost by heaps today if the Dees took their chances.  Credit to our boys for not giving it away and somehow hanging in there.

Don't use the Demons misfortunes to denigrate our last quarter, though.   Wouldn't it be nice if we could bring our last quarter to a while game.  We seem to go better as the opposition tires a bit.

Probably not the case but it sort of looked like we may have decided that we can't yet go full throttle for 4Qs so we try to contain for 3Qs as best we can and then go for the kill in the last? Yesterday a switch was definitely thrown at 3Q time. A different team came out from what I witnessed.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #81 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I never understood the hate for Brock.

I was not one of his haters but his inability or unwillingness to chase was often very annoying.
Reality always wins in the end.
 

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #82 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Started in the ruck: Preuss showed what a good player he really is. Kreuzer tried, and did better in the last quarter, but Preuss gave their mids an armchair ride.
Then, our mids couldn't get near their opponents. Setterfield just about had Fritsch as BOG with his horrible start.
Their mids are bigger and more mature, and we lacked Cripps. But we really need to give Cripps more help.
So many players did so little today. Very disappointing.
And our disposal.

Yet we won the clearances 41-36!  Only stat we were ahead in, apart from clangers  :(
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #83 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I was not one of his haters but his inability or unwillingness to chase was often very annoying.

I feel there is irony contained in those comments, certain players get a free pass from fans despite not chasing, maybe because they are deemed to be superstars or leaders, yet their voluntary not chasing has the very same impact as an inability to catch despite effort. Is one excusable and the other not?

McLean use to run as hard and as fast as he could leaving nothing in the tank, often right past obviously faster midfield rotation players like Grigg, Garlett, Yarran, Ellard, Lucas or Walker, just to try and get to a contest or provide an option. In much the same way Daisy does now! Don't judge a McLean type because they might not make the ground, judge the others by their spectatorship. Do we dare to judge a Silvagni by the same criteria as McLean, inability rather than lack of effort, SoJ leaves nothing in the tank?

We use to love Armfield, not because he could catch, but because he would chase, always!

It goes a long way to explain the different ladder positions of certain clubs, if your name is Dangerfield, Ablett, Mitchell, Rich or Zorko and you don't chase you get admonished by a Selwood or Hodge type. But our blokes just want to argue about it.

When will our lot get that it's not optional, that being good at one thing doesn't excuse all the others, it goes a long way to explain ladder positions and lots of honourable loses.

A great example at the moment of doing it all, of having a crack, is Levi, I can't say on average his marking or kicking is significantly better this season than before, he still has his ups and downs, but the other aspects of his game have improved dramatically. His physicality, his work ethic and willingness to compete, he is no longer willing to be a spectator and it is paying off. Nobody would argue Levi 2019 isn't a better version than any Levi ever before!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #84 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think they both show something negative. You could reasonably argue that coming from behind and falling short shows something negative at the front end. In fact the more I think about it, the more I think the opposite is better. Leading most of the game shows you are doing a few things right and have the opposition's measure.

It may come down to a personal preference. Personally I was happier with yesterdays effort rather than the Gold Coast game.
We were finishing with momentum.
Half way through the last I was confident we'd actually win and even at the death we could have done so with a kick off the ground.

How it's commentated on and reported is different too.
v Gold Coast-"They've forgotten how to win"
v Melbourne- "They're never out of the game."

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #85 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Plowman should be banned from kicking in duties and Newman is only marginally better.

Interesting use of Kennedy the past two rounds - I wonder if Teague is using him as a forward on the basis of the reclamation process that helped Brock McLean resuscitate his career after beginning similarly ineffective and too slow as a midfielder.
I agree about Plow and Newman: kicking in is for someone else. Some of our kick-in work yesterday was appalling! Not sure who should take the job, but even Liam Jones could do the job better.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #86 –
Quote from: Lods – on
It may come down to a personal preference. Personally I was happier with yesterdays effort rather than the Gold Coast game.
We were finishing with momentum.
Half way through the last I was confident we'd actually win and even at the death we could have done so with a kick off the ground.

How it's commentated on and reported is different too.
v Gold Coast-"They've forgotten how to win"
v Melbourne- "They're never out of the game."

With you here Lods. OK our first 3Qs left a lot to be desired but, imo, due to issues that can be fixed such as poor skill execution and clangers. Melbourne too seemed to me to be a lot more physically developed than us and we were very much out-muscled in the first three quarters. Our mids especially looked very small in comparison to theirs but in fact the clearances were marginally our way. However to come back in that last qrtr was very heartening and showed a fighting spirit which I was very pleased to see -there seems to be a belief there. So, disappointing to lose yes but something to take heart from.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #87 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Yeah I'm not sure Ralph watched the game, maybe just looked at the stats.


And he will never put Walsh in the best because he wants Stack to win the Rising Star......
Long time lurker few time poster !!

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #88 –
I think Mooney or Dal Santo has Walsh as the Rising Star winner.  Many years ago, occasionally I (and others) would get to have input into an ex-journos 'best players' after watching the footy at a mates place and a few beers - because it was too cold/rainy/windy to go...

Listening to the commentary, there was a lot of praise from Roos about the quality of the list, including positive technical analysis of Dow's kicking (after his goal).

Cynical me says that they are either:
 - pumping up our list prematurely for the next coach to fail
 - or quite the opposite - Roos has a role of some kind at the club next year, so has current history of supporting the club.

Re: Post Game Parlay: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #89 –
I have noticed a number of game commentators say something to the effect "That was a fantastic effort by Rozee (or insert other name) - a lot of talk of Walsh being Rising Star but.......". The whiteants are definitely at work!
Reality always wins in the end.