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Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #135 –
Quote from: Inboltswetrust – on
Sorry Kruddler,  but where have we been on the ladder for the past 10 years?  Please mate, don't be personal.  I'm just being realistic. 

Not realistic, pessimistic  :)

If anything, we have over-achieved with some ordinary sides.  That’s no excuse for mediocrity but the club has finally embraced the draft, free-agency and trading and we have a developing list.  I’m yet to be convinced that we have the coach to get the best out of our list but we are streets ahead of where we were when we last played finals.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #136 –
Quote from: DJC – on
What a load of tripe  ::)

Of course, there’s no guarantee that number one draft picks will be the best players taken in that draft but Murphy and Kreuzer are easily in the best five, as is Gibbs on his form with us.

Kruze and Murphy, yes, agree.  Gibbs?  Never.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #137 –
Gibbs will start the year in the SANFL and is struggling,  while I fear that the mountain of injuries have caught up with K and I'm sorry to say it but the end looks close.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #138 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Not realistic, pessimistic  :)

If anything, we have over-achieved with some ordinary sides.  That’s no excuse for mediocrity but the club has finally embraced the draft, free-agency and trading and we have a developing list.  I’m yet to be convinced that we have the coach to get the best out of our list but we are streets ahead of where we were when we last played finals.

I'm curious to know what characteristics / attributes such a person would require ? So far as I can tell, we've exhausted all possible options. Old blokes with flags and million dollar contracts who bring in their own men to fill the football department, young rookies on a salary who work with what they have, favourite sons, old school fire and brimstone coaches, coaches with nothing but tickles and cuddles for the players........................

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #139 –
Quote from: Inboltswetrust – on
Sorry Kruddler,  but where have we been on the ladder for the past 10 years?  Please mate, don't be personal.  I'm just being realistic.

We were 1 kick away from a prelim and lost 2 other finals by under 10 points during that time. Also won a final against the tigers.

We've actually made finals 4 times out of the past 11 years believe it or not.

Quote from: Inboltswetrust – on
Kreuzer, Murphy and Gibbs were all very ordinary number 1 draft picks.  It could be argued we butchered them all.  Are they crap footballers?  No they are not, but where do they really rank in terms of their real position in the draft from where they should have been taken?  I'd say, Murphy- pick 12-15,  Gibbs, pick 8-14, Kreuzer, Pick 15-20.  None are worthy of number 1.

....and this is why people don't take your 'realistic' comments seriously.

Murphy was voted the best player in 2012 by AFL coaches. Nobody else from his draft year has achieved that, or any other significant individual award (Brownlow, AFLPA MVP etc)

So when you make sweeping statements like that, whatever possible good points you might have, just get thrown out the window because you 'overreach' in your criticisms. Hence, pessimistic, not realistic.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #140 –
2011. Minor point, but worth noting.

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #141 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I'm curious to know what characteristics / attributes such a person would require ? So far as I can tell, we've exhausted all possible options. Old blokes with flags and million dollar contracts who bring in their own men to fill the football department, young rookies on a salary who work with what they have, favourite sons, old school fire and brimstone coaches, coaches with nothing but tickles and cuddles for the players........................

AFL coach key selection criteria:
1 - Outstanding leadership ability.
2 - Exceptional communication skills.
3 - Good educator.
4 - Ability to develop and implement strategy.
5 - Ability to develop and implement proactive and reactive tactics.
6 - Receptive to mentoring.
7 - Coached an AFL team to finals at State level or higher.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #142 –
Quote from: DJC – on
AFL coach key selection criteria:
1 - Outstanding leadership ability.
2 - Exceptional communication skills.
3 - Good educator.
4 - Ability to develop and implement strategy.
5 - Ability to develop and implement proactive and reactive tactics.
6 - Receptive to mentoring.
7 - Coached an AFL team to finals at State level or higher.

I've read about a bloke with those qualities, but he was crucified 2000 years ago. Some rumours around that he rose from the dead, but no confirmed sightings as yet. Will def keep an eye out.  :)

Re: Carlton vs Brisbane Practice Match

Reply #143 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
We were 1 kick away from a prelim and lost 2 other finals by under 10 points during that time. Also won a final against the tigers.

We've actually made finals 4 times out of the past 11 years believe it or not.

....and this is why people don't take your 'realistic' comments seriously.

Murphy was voted the best player in 2012 by AFL coaches. Nobody else from his draft year has achieved that, or any other significant individual award (Brownlow, AFLPA MVP etc)

So when you make sweeping statements like that, whatever possible good points you might have, just get thrown out the window because you 'overreach' in your criticisms. Hence, pessimistic, not realistic.

I'd have Pendlebury ahead of Murphy.....for consistency, premiership captain, Norm Smith in that premiership, 5 Copelands and still playing at a very high standard. even in the recent state game he was a standout all be it the game was played tamely. West Coast supporters would probably give you a hard argument on Hurn and Kennedy too. Hurn is a real captain along the same lines as Hodge and JK has been the premier forward for many seasons.
Daisy Thomas would also feature given he has a premiership and was deemed best in the comp at one stage...
Murphy has been good but I'm not rating him ahead of the others either as a leader or player...
 

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Reply #144 –
Quote from: Inboltswetrust – on
Sorry Kruddler,  but where have we been on the ladder for the past 10 years?  Please mate, don't be personal.  I'm just being realistic. 

A fair bit of time has rolled past since your mob won a flag too Ihwt.
I spent most of my money on Women and grog.
The rest I just wasted.

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Reply #145 –
I don't need to remind anybody that it's 25 since we won a flag.

That prelim final in Perth was what,  ten years ago, so long that it's irrelevant.  We've had four coaches since then.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #146 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'd have Pendlebury ahead of Murphy.....for consistency, premiership captain, Norm Smith in that premiership, 5 Copelands and still playing at a very high standard. even in the recent state game he was a standout all be it the game was played tamely. West Coast supporters would probably give you a hard argument on Hurn and Kennedy too. Hurn is a real captain along the same lines as Hodge and JK has been the premier forward for many seasons.
Daisy Thomas would also feature given he has a premiership and was deemed best in the comp at one stage...
Murphy has been good but I'm not rating him ahead of the others either as a leader or player...

I actually did some research before my comments (unlike who i was replying too) and i reckon you've named every single player that people COULD mount an argument for as being better than Murphy from that draft. Kennedy doesn't really count because he was ours anyway. Pendlebury, definitely. Others are a more subjective call. Only other ones i'd even entertain was probably Higgins, but he has underachieved most of his career and Nath Jones....but only edge he has over Murphy is hardness, maybe leadership. But output wise, nope.

BUT.....if you can pick 11 players better than Murphy from that draft.....you don't know football.

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Reply #147 –
Quote from: sandsmere – on
A fair bit of time has rolled past since your mob won a flag too Ihwt.
5668 days since they won a final but who's counting (I assume you mean CheatsFC)
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Reply #148 –
Quote from: Inboltswetrust – on
These players, Newnes and Ed are perennial butchers of the football.  It wouldn't matter if they had 30 touches, in fact, you don't want them to have 30 touches.  Ed is a tagger only.  He cannot kick properly- e.g all his kicks go up in the air.  Newnes was horrible at the saints (hence his dropping) and will be horrible at our club.  It is not rocket science.  Retreds are cheap but cause your car to be a danger to everyone on the road when they fail.  Our coaching is horrible (line coaches) and the board is a joke.  I have been saying this for about 10 years on here but noone listens.  17th or 18th.   Again.

Whilst I agree with some things, not sure I agree with the finer details - but you should definitely ask the mods to change your user name. Borderline sacrilege.