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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3420 –
Agree absolutely, Capcom. A fear you’ll have a shortage of workers if you require vaccinations is the tail wagging the dog. Safety protocols protecting 3rd parties shouldn’t be relaxed just to increase productivity. We’ve seen in the trucking industry that pressuring drivers to stay on the road 24/7 might make them more productive but the costs to the community are substantial.

If drivers are a bottle neck in handling flights, either incentivise drivers to vaccinate or recruit by raising conditions, or reduce flights so the bottleneck disappears.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3421 –
Quote from: LP – on
Then you look at The Hun and other News Ltd rags today, and they are telling millenials why they should not to worry and get the AZ vaccine ASAP.

News Ltd has no face, they've spent many months making spurious suggestions AZ will kill you, now it's being suggested as the ultimate miracle cure which you you get without hesitation.

@Baggers  It's exactly as your link suggests, and all about politics!
Well, it seems The Age took notice of The Conversation and published a good article on the same premise... the blatant and crass favouratism afforded the LNP states from News Ltd.

If News Ltd was an individual they'd be in a psych ward under treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3422 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Well, it seems The Age took notice of The Conversation and published a good article on the same premise... the blatant and crass favouratism afforded the LNP states from News Ltd.

If News Ltd was an individual they'd be in a psych ward under treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder.
By lunchtime the very same News Ltd rags had put Greg Hunt front page as part of a giant header saying Pfizer is preferred for under 60s. Then it magically disappeared.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3423 –
Quote from: LP – on
By lunchtime the very same News Ltd rags had put Greg Hunt front page as part of a giant header saying Pfizer is preferred for under 60s. Then in magically disappeared.

Noticed the same thing. Does their hypocrisy know no bounds?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3424 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Noticed the same thing. Does their hypocrisy know no bounds?
btw., They are publishing another story that Pfizer and Moderna if mixed and matched are a miracle cure offering years of COVID resistance and no need for boosters.

No they know no bounds, they are complicit in creating an unmanageable hysteria.

You could argue the News Ltd lefthand doesn't know what the righthand is doing, if you choose to be so gullible as to think it is just innocent commentary.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3425 –
I wonder when we can expect Peta Credlin and her group of sycophantic reporters from News Ltd to  attend a news conference held by the saviour of Australia, Queen Gladys, and her health minister, and grill them on the obvious failure of the NSW Health Dept to follow regulations or to have regulations in place to avoid covid spread.

It goes without saying that each question will be asked in as scornful a manner as possible and, irrespective of the answer, will be asked several times again by the gutter press reporters.

Flushed with success they could then put meaningful questions to  the Prime Minister of NSW concerning the vaccine rollout shambles and the failure to build dedicated quarantine facilities, and why they will be  built not in place of but it in conjunction with continued hotel quarantine facilities. 



 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3426 –
In all the excitement of building new quarantine facilities around the country, don’t lose track of the fact that the NT’s facility was constructed by private industry and handed back to the NT gov as early as possible because of its maintenance costs, I’m 98% sure the figure was $250,000 per month to maintain the place empty and have security in place, Covid couldn’t come quick enough because there was serious talk of running a bulldozer through the place because of its drain on our already overloaded coffers.
Be careful what you wish for…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3427 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
In all the excitement of building new quarantine facilities around the country, don’t lose track of the fact that the NT’s facility was constructed by private industry and handed back to the NT gov as early as possible because of its maintenance costs, I’m 98% sure the figure was $250,000 per month to maintain the place empty and have security in place, Covid couldn’t come quick enough because there was serious talk of running a bulldozer through the place because of its drain on our already overloaded coffers.
Be careful what you wish for…
True, but whats the cost to the economy of deaths and lockdowns?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3428 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
True, but whats the cost to the economy of deaths and lockdowns?

No doubt, but it’s a bit like how much insurance do you want to pay for ?
We all know the first cash strapped gov will start “trimming” the maintenance costs of such facilities, and that’s the problem, they are empty facilities that need to be ready to go in a weeks notice, pandemic, bushfire, cyclone relocation points.
The cost is why we didn’t have them…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3429 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
No doubt, but it’s a bit like how much insurance do you want to pay for ?
We all know the first cash strapped gov will start “trimming” the maintenance costs of such facilities, and that’s the problem, they are empty facilities that need to be ready to go in a weeks notice, pandemic, bushfire, cyclone relocation points.
The cost is why we didn’t have them…
Dunno, what price do you put on 820 Australians no longer with us?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3430 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Dunno, what price do you put on 820 Australians no longer with us?

Do I get to select the 820 ? 😎

Sadly they are departed and we can’t help them.

Again I ask you insurance… how much are you prepared to pay in premiums ?
More than you earn in income ? Half ? 5% ?

I understand what you’re saying and don’t disagree, I’m just pointing out that if these centers are to be properly built and fit for purpose AND ready to go then the bastards (politicians) won’t be trimming their salaries to make the budget work.

I think if we want a pandemic facility the NT one has provided the blueprint, but I’m not sure that one (or more) in each state is financially workable. Maybe one other, both federally funded and everyone (foreign arrivals at least) funnels through them probably doesn’t work for local cases though.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3431 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Do I get to select the 820 ? 😎

Sadly they are departed and we can’t help them.

Again I ask you insurance… how much are you prepared to pay in premiums ?
More than you earn in income ? Half ? 5% ?

I understand what you’re saying and don’t disagree, I’m just pointing out that if these centers are to be properly built and fit for purpose AND ready to go then the bastards (politicians) won’t be trimming their salaries to make the budget work.

I think if we want a pandemic facility the NT one has provided the blueprint, but I’m not sure that one (or more) in each state is financially workable. Maybe one other, both federally funded and everyone (foreign arrivals at least) funnels through them probably doesn’t work for local cases though.

Then you also have to consider how well equipped are our health services to deal with a pandemic if it hit in earnest and inundated them.

A lot of the older hospitals around are extremely under equipped and service a large catchment.

Prevention is better than cure I agree, but this is to a degree a zero sum game.  The money used in quarantine could go a long way to service the community in a variety of ways and the shortfalls are enormous.

I understand what you're saying.  A quarantine facility purpose built is a luxury.  Thing is people need to understand that the risks of escape done dissappear because there is a facility.  They just decrease.

The few leaks we hear about are very incidental and coincidental. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3432 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Do I get to select the 820 ? 😎

Sadly they are departed and we can’t help them.

Again I ask you insurance… how much are you prepared to pay in premiums ?
More than you earn in income ? Half ? 5% ?

I understand what you’re saying and don’t disagree, I’m just pointing out that if these centers are to be properly built and fit for purpose AND ready to go then the bastards (politicians) won’t be trimming their salaries to make the budget work.

I think if we want a pandemic facility the NT one has provided the blueprint, but I’m not sure that one (or more) in each state is financially workable. Maybe one other, both federally funded and everyone (foreign arrivals at least) funnels through them probably doesn’t work for local cases though.
The 820 might have been preventable though, if this thing has taught us anything, its that we need to be better prepared.
Deaths aside, from a financial point of view, the Mrs and I have worked hard over the years and have saved a penny or 10. She can work from home as she's a teacher, so can I if I have to so no problems there. Unfortunately, far too many people are are not as lucky as me and they are the people I literally lose sleep over. Mortgages, school fees, bills, food on the table with no money coming in, it makes me sick to the core just thinking about it. As nation, we need to be much better prepared for the next "Scotsman" (no offence to the Scottish, its a reference to the crazy Scott who came out of the bushes from nowhere during an Olympic Marathon and took out the leader). We have to have learnt a lesson surely.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3433 –
You both make great points @Thryleon & @Gointocarlton.
Ideally we could trust people to go home and stay home… 🤣

I’m going through my first lockdown, we were locked down last year, but I and every other tradie was flat out quoting work for a gov stimulus package 🙄
On Sunday arvo darwin was put into lockdown, then on Monday arvo they listed “casual contact” sites, one of which was Darwin Bunnings on Saturday morning, guess where I was on Saturday morning…?
Their exposure timeframe drifted over the course of Monday and night, initially 10-10:15 Saturday, my receipt was date stamped 10:09 🙄😬
I rang the Covid hotline and finally got a call back at 9pm Monday night, only to be put on hold again… got a call this morning confirming that the exposure time was 10:30-10:40 Saturday, so I’m in the clear.
But it gets you thinking about you exposure… my customer and her partner, her daughter, my wife, the houses that my wife cleaned on Sunday morning, her cleaning boss, the lady we dropped some produce off to, the woolies that I went to for my usual weekly shop on Sunday lunch (when everyone in darwin turned up to panic buy, most without masks) then on Monday me and my wife’s return to woolies, and bottle shop prior to hearing about my possible Bunnings exposure… geez !!
The numbers are breathtaking !
Let’s go BIG !

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #3434 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
You both make great points @Thryleon & @Gointocarlton.
Ideally we could trust people to go home and stay home… 🤣

I’m going through my first lockdown, we were locked down last year, but I and every other tradie was flat out quoting work for a gov stimulus package 🙄
On Sunday arvo darwin was put into lockdown, then on Monday arvo they listed “casual contact” sites, one of which was Darwin Bunnings on Saturday morning, guess where I was on Saturday morning…?
Their exposure timeframe drifted over the course of Monday and night, initially 10-10:15 Saturday, my receipt was date stamped 10:09 🙄😬
I rang the Covid hotline and finally got a call back at 9pm Monday night, only to be put on hold again… got a call this morning confirming that the exposure time was 10:30-10:40 Saturday, so I’m in the clear.
But it gets you thinking about you exposure… my customer and her partner, her daughter, my wife, the houses that my wife cleaned on Sunday morning, her cleaning boss, the lady we dropped some produce off to, the woolies that I went to for my usual weekly shop on Sunday lunch (when everyone in darwin turned up to panic buy, most without masks) then on Monday me and my wife’s return to woolies, and bottle shop prior to hearing about my possible Bunnings exposure… geez !!
The numbers are breathtaking !

They sure are!

Apparently the contact tracers here in Victoria can spend four hours or more on the phone to one contact before they're satisfied that they know all of their exposure sites and contacts.  It's a huge task and good luck to them.

And, speaking of luck, it's bad luck that the COVID-Safe app was a dud.  It could have saved a lot of work and perhaps even some lives if it had been able to do what it was claimed  ::)

Good to hear that you're in the clear and I hope it stays that way.
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