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IMO this is the biggest concern/apprehension facing the average person as to whether to have it or not its the unknown side effects and the fact they will not and cant give any data on it mid to long term safety as the normal testing processes have not been able to be applied to this one?

There will be no comparing of side effects and then make a decision as the Pfizer and AZ side effects wont be known for many years.
 
How those who are advocating pregnant women to take the vaccine can look at them self in the mirror is anyone's guess.  Who in the right mind while having a delicate fetus forming inside them would without the pressure of media/pollies etc happily accept a vaccine when there is no side effect data available and put bluntly they cannot tell you 100% if its safe for the mother let alone a fetus.  I mean has there even been one pregnant women die of this strain in Australia and yet they try and scare poor mothers into taking it.  And no recourse later will make up for babies being born with health issues.

Madness.   

IMO this is the biggest concern/apprehension facing the average person as to whether to have it or not its the unknown side effects and the fact they will not and cant give any data on it mid to long term safety as the normal testing processes have not been able to be applied to this one?

There will be no comparing of side effects and then make a decision as the Pfizer and AZ side effects wont be known for many years.
 
How those who are advocating pregnant women to take the vaccine can look at them self in the mirror is anyone's guess.  Who in the right mind while having a delicate fetus forming inside them would without the pressure of media/pollies etc happily accept a vaccine when there is no side effect data available and put bluntly they cannot tell you 100% if its safe for the mother let alone a fetus.  I mean has there even been one pregnant women die of this strain in Australia and yet they try and scare poor mothers into taking it.  And no recourse later will make up for babies being born with health issues.

Madness.

If you are going to complain about pregnant women getting the vaccine, at least understand that it is a FOETUS, not fetus.
If thats your understanding of English, i'm not going to trust your understanding of Science.

FWIW, my wife is a microbiologist/protein biochemist who specialises in infectious diseases and vaccine research.
Forgive me if i'm going to trust her judgement over yours.
My sister in law is pregnant with her first child and we had no trouble encouraging her to get the vaccine.

If you want links to this to educate yourself on the topic, i can provide them for you.

I cant get a read on the vaccine for pregnant women debate, my daughter who wants to start a family was referred to two different Obstetrician-gynecologists and one said the vaccines were safe and the other said no if you were pregnant. Her sister inlaw who is pregnant was told No vaccine as well by another specialist...what to believe?

If nothing else, the chance of the mother getting Covid and the effect that would have on the foetus is far more likely (and worse) than any potential effect the vaccine could have on the foetus.

That aside, there are personal circumstances that would cause a doctor(s) to say yes/no other than because the vaccine is not safe....but that is what is usually assumed.

If you are going to complain about pregnant women getting the vaccine, at least understand that it is a FOETUS, not fetus.
If thats your understanding of English, i'm not going to trust your understanding of Science.

FWIW, my wife is a microbiologist/protein biochemist who specialises in infectious diseases and vaccine research.
Forgive me if i'm going to trust her judgement over yours.
My sister in law is pregnant with her first child and we had no trouble encouraging her to get the vaccine.

If you want links to this to educate yourself on the topic, i can provide them for you.

I cant get a read on the vaccine for pregnant women debate, my daughter who wants to start a family was referred to two different Obstetrician-gynecologists and one said the vaccines were safe and the other said no if you were pregnant. Her sister inlaw who is pregnant was told No vaccine as well by another specialist...what to believe?

As you know I rarely comment on your posts or your replies to my posts for that matter but this one got to me. Like (I’m nearly certain) many on here I find your posts are rarely if ever accepting of people’s ‘ opinions’ generally have a condescending slate and mostly angled towards you not ever backing down in attempting to convince everyone you’re an authority on every single topic discussed. Apart from that you’re usually rude and find a way to get personal.

Your reply confirms the above.

Your poor wife 🤦🏻‍♂️

If you are going to complain about pregnant women getting the vaccine, at least understand that it is a FOETUS, not fetus.
If thats your understanding of English, i'm not going to trust your understanding of Science.

I thought both were acceptable spellings.

(but these days I get my 'here' and 'hear'... and 'there' and 'their' mixed up when I'm writing )

Depends what country you are in.

It seems he's been reading a lot of american propaganda with that spelling.

I thought both were acceptable spellings.

(but these days I get my 'here' and 'hear'... and 'there' and 'their' mixed up when I'm writing )

EB if 2 out 3 specialists advise against it wouldn't that be enough to cast real doubt on it? 

Massive risk and burden to carry if it turns out bad.

I mean specialists say no to mums eating raw fish, blue cheese, no glass of wine but hey let’s stick a vaccine in that has not had the usual testing with no long term data and hope for the best on a growing baby.

What am I missing here.

Shawny, my daughter is an RN so is under a fair bit of pressure to get jabbed through work as is and needs to make a decision in the next 4-5 weeks.There is evidence from overseas studies about miscarriages, changes to menstrual cycles etc but medical professionals have been told to toe the party line in Aus and not speak out with regards concerns. Nurses too have been told not to adopt an antivax stance either even though a lot are leaving the job and the Nurses Fed wants a covid allowance payment to stop the
drain of talent quitting the job.
My expectation is she will have to have the vaccine or face losing her ability to work in the hospital system.

Wrong.  Unless you ignore this

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b&q=What+is+the+difference+between+fetus+and+foetus%3F&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjEsNXgiofzAhXFQ3wKHWnBB7sQzmd6BAg7EAU&biw=893&bih=526&dpr=0.9