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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6045 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Didnt Joyce plan to sack all the ground staff then try and hire staff again at reduced rates and conditions through an external provider and wants a RyanAir model airline? All this after taking the Government money....

He did @ElwoodBlues1 ... but I believe it was targeted at outsourcing the handling (catering / ground crew / marshallers / fuelling / baggage load and unload) to competitive bids.

Catering for example is hardly done by any airline anymore. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6046 –
Why do the government make it so bloody hard to get a vaccine certificate!?! Tried to get one for my daughter today, apparently if they're over 14 you can't do it on their behalf.   Then the Muppet I dealt with didn't even know the operating hours of the service.  What a sh1t show.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6047 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Why do the government make it so bloody hard to get a vaccine certificate!?! Tried to get one for my daughter today, apparently if they're over 14 you can't do it on their behalf.   Then the Muppet I dealt with didn't even know the operating hours of the service.  What a sh1t show.
You should get a printed certificate when you get your second jab IMO via your medicare number....was in Kmart today and an older couple didnt have a phone setup with the app and had no idea about the printed version either. Like I have said before it you are going to mandate vaccinations and want certificates/proof then make it easy for folk who are older or not tech savvy.
You get the jab and you walk out with your proof on the spot....

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6048 –
Quote from: capcom – on
IATA governed the rules, NOT Qantas and not the Feds !!

Joyce was one of the first airline CEOs to promote the idea of a vaccination passport for air travel.  This time last year, the Murdoch media got stuck into Joyce for proposing mandatory vaccination for airline travelers and claimed that it wouldn't work.  That was well before the IATA had developed a position/policy on vaccinations.  It had introduced a passenger spacing model that wasn't accepted by all member airlines (around 80% of the world's airlines are members).

See: https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/why-alan-joyces-no-covid-vaccine-no-fly-rule-wont-work/news-story/0dadc0ce814fa17685bbb6f219e6acab?utm_source=SEM&utm_medium=PPC_SEM&utm_campaign={campaign}&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-eeMBhCpARIsAAZfxZATiyvSfv1ZZ0LA0nbY07M50_duxpiuj6Aq84N2GLAlnMdZrvjgeiQaAjEzEALw_wcB

I wonder if they're still convinced that mandatory vaccination for airline travelers won't work.

IATA set up the vaccination passport model and app for its members.  However, it doesn't make the regulations for individual airlines or nations.  The Federal Government decides who comes to Australia and under what conditions.  Similarly, QANTAS determines what's best for its business, not IATA.  Have a look at the IATA website to see the travel restrictions map and the range of restrictions imposed by governments, ours included.

QANTAS also has a vaccination bonus program for its frequent flyers and it was the first major Australian company to mandate vaccination for its workforce.  That's not altruism, it's all about profits, as well as Australian workplace laws.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6049 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Joyce was one of the first airline CEOs to promote the idea of a vaccination passport for air travel.  This time last year, the Murdoch media got stuck into Joyce for proposing mandatory vaccination for airline travelers and claimed that it wouldn't work.  That was well before the IATA had developed a position/policy on vaccinations.  It had introduced a passenger spacing model that wasn't accepted by all member airlines (around 80% of the world's airlines are members).

See: https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/why-alan-joyces-no-covid-vaccine-no-fly-rule-wont-work/news-story/0dadc0ce814fa17685bbb6f219e6acab?utm_source=SEM&utm_medium=PPC_SEM&utm_campaign={campaign}&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-eeMBhCpARIsAAZfxZATiyvSfv1ZZ0LA0nbY07M50_duxpiuj6Aq84N2GLAlnMdZrvjgeiQaAjEzEALw_wcB

I wonder if they're still convinced that mandatory vaccination for airline travelers won't work.

IATA set up the vaccination passport model and app for its members.  However, it doesn't make the regulations for individual airlines or nations.  The Federal Government decides who comes to Australia and under what conditions.  Similarly, QANTAS determines what's best for its business, not IATA.  Have a look at the IATA website to see the travel restrictions map and the range of restrictions imposed by governments, ours included.

QANTAS also has a vaccination bonus program for its frequent flyers and it was the first major Australian company to mandate vaccination for its workforce.  That's not altruism, it's all about profits, as well as Australian workplace laws.

You are so wide of the mark, it's a joke.  You clearly know nothing about global alliances, interline, GDS reservations distribution and the massive interface between carriers across the world.

Without the QF designator, Qantas is effectively dead.  Joyce proposed vaccination passports VERY early in the piece when there were no intnl ops.  By international concurrence, they will become part of the airport structures for check in just as passports have done in the past.  IATA have now introduced rules which will quickly require  compliance.

But hey, I only did this for 42 years. what would I know?  ::)

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6050 –
Quote from: capcom – on
You are so wide of the mark, it's a joke.  You clearly know nothing about global alliances, interline, GDS reservations distribution and the massive interface between carriers across the world.

Without the QF designator, Qantas is effectively dead.  Joyce proposed vaccination passports VERY early in the piece when there were no intnl ops.  By international concurrence, they will become part of the airport structures for check in just as passports have done in the past.  IATA have now introduced rules which will quickly require  compliance.

But hey, I only did this for 42 years. what would I know? ::)


Indeed! 

IATA did not and cannot "govern" the rules.  The Federal Government determines whether folk can enter the country and QANTAS determines the rules for its staff and passengers.  IATA's vaccine passport, as proposed by Joyce, is a tool its affiliates use.  The Federal Government will permit unvaccinated passengers to be carried under certain conditions, passenger caps, quarantine, etc.  QANTAS may agree or decline to carry such passengers.  Not all airlines and not all governments have the same requirements and Spain, Mexico, Croatia, Madeira, Greece, Cyprus, Slovenia, India and the UAR do not require those entering their countries to be vaccinated.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6051 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Id rather have AZ next time around, but we are being given 0 option.
@Thryleon‍, looks like you are on the money.

Recent reports suggest in the latest wave older people who had AZ in the UK are faring much much better than their Pfizer or Moderna jabbed mainland European counterparts.

Science had already suggested that for some reason the Adenovirus vaccine produced a much stronger T-Cell response than the mRNA version, I gather the latest COVID wave across Europe proves it. I suppose one day science will work out why.

In the meantime, I think it's best to be cross vaccinated, as the latest studies suggest cross vaccination, or even the possibility of getting a mild Sars-CoV-2 infection while fully vaccinated, delivers a superior result to just having more of the same.

I suppose if we ignore those who get no benefit from the vaccines, and also ignore the unvaccinated, that is a pretty strong argument for opening up now, but it won't help the health system. Unfortunately, it's immoral to do so!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6053 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Indeed! 

IATA did not and cannot "govern" the rules.  The Federal Government determines whether folk can enter the country and QANTAS determines the rules for its staff and passengers.  IATA's vaccine passport, as proposed by Joyce, is a tool its affiliates use.  The Federal Government will permit unvaccinated passengers to be carried under certain conditions, passenger caps, quarantine, etc.  QANTAS may agree or decline to carry such passengers.  Not all airlines and not all governments have the same requirements and Spain, Mexico, Croatia, Madeira, Greece, Cyprus, Slovenia, India and the UAR do not require those entering their countries to be vaccinated.

A guy I work with is going to India next week and he needed to get a vaccine passport and he had to pay for his own covid test which ranges from $150-$400 depending on how quick he wants the result.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6054 –
Oh boy ... WHO has declared the new Sth African variant as a Variant of Concern and named it Omicron.

It has made it's way quickly through the 1st 2 stages of classification: Variant under Monitoring (24/11/21), Variant of Interest (26/11/21) and now meets the criteria for a Variant of Concern:
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Variants of Concern (VOC)
Working definition:
A SARS-CoV-2 variant that meets the definition of a VOI (see below) and, through a comparative assessment, has been demonstrated to be associated with one or more of the following changes at a degree of global public health significance:
  • Increase in transmissibility or detrimental change in COVID-19 epidemiology; OR
  • Increase in virulence or change in clinical disease presentation; OR
  • Decrease in effectiveness of public health and social measures or available diagnostics, vaccines, therapeutics.
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6055 –
Exactly what I said yesterday ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6056 –
Looking to get my booster soon. Gee how time flies.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6057 –
Waste of time if that Omicron strain gets here
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6058 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Oh boy ... WHO has declared the new Sth African variant as a Variant of Concern and named it Omicron.

It has made it's way quickly through the 1st 2 stages of classification: Variant under Monitoring (24/11/21), Variant of Interest (26/11/21) and now meets the criteria for a Variant of Concern:

By rights it should have been named Xi.

And was it not first found in Botswana from what I have read.

Not much to see in the new cases, new deaths data, but heck with double vaxxers showing a marked disdain for the 3rd shot booster, need some leverage to keep the sheeple under control....

Until Pfizermectin saves the day!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6059 –
Not sure about it being a waste of time, but yeah they seem pretty concerned that it might be capable of evading our current vaxx
Let’s go BIG !