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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6840 –
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And we'll pass the 6 million mark of global deaths by Saturday ... if we haven't already.
There was a epidemiologist on the BBC last week who stated most experts already accept the official reported figure is likely to be only 40% of the real world figure, because some regions notoriously only report figures from major population cities but on the ground authorities know the regional areas are suffering worse outcomes because of the lack of resources! Apparently there are some regions that for either political or resource reasons still do not report Sars-CoV-2 deaths at all, the figures we read are just statistical modelling.

I think that Dr Campbell in his vlog had a rant about this a few weeks back, and why we need to be careful about official figures. Of course sceptics straight away cried out misrepresenting his warning as being about "exaggeration of deaths", when in fact the point he made was the exact opposite and about under-reporting in 3rd world locations, we cannot extrapolate what happens in London or Melbourne as typical for 3rd world locations, the models based on western cities that bristle with health clinics and hospitals are not valid.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6841 –
Quote from: LP – on
There was a epidemiologist on the BBC last week who stated most experts already accept the official reported figure is likely to be only 40% of the real world figure, because some regions notoriously only report figures from major population cities but on the ground authorities know the regional areas are suffering worse outcomes because of the lack of resources! Apparently there are some regions that for either political or resource reasons still do not report Sars-CoV-2 deaths at all, the figures we read are just statistical modelling.

I think that Dr Campbell in his vlog had a rant about this a few weeks back, and why we need to be careful about official figures. Of course sceptics straight away cried out misrepresenting his warning as being about "exaggeration of deaths", when in fact the point he made was the exact opposite and about under-reporting in 3rd world locations, we cannot extrapolate what happens in London or Melbourne as typical for 3rd world locations, the models based on western cities that bristle with health clinics and hospitals are not valid.

A point from an article on excess mortality:

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First, not all countries have the infrastructure and capacity to register and report all deaths. In richer countries with high-quality mortality reporting systems, nearly 100% of deaths are registered. But in many low- and middle-income countries, undercounting of mortality is a serious issue. The UN estimates that, in “normal” times, only two-thirds of countries register at least 90% of all deaths that occur, and some countries register less than 50% — or even under 10% — of deaths. During the pandemic the actual coverage might be even lower.

I understand that the "6 million mark" is based on reported deaths so it's got to be a gross under-estimate of actual COVID deaths ... and we still have COVID-deniers  :(
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6842 –
Covid has been the most lethal hoax in history.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6843 –
Quote from: DJC – on
A point from an article on excess mortality:

I understand that the "6 million mark" is based on reported deaths so it's got to be a gross under-estimate of actual COVID deaths ... and we still have COVID-deniers  :(
Yep, I think the point that BBC broadcast was trying to make was that people should not be surprised to find that in a decade or so the real toll, that is the count, triples current estimates.

I suppose this doesn't sit well with some, if they want to deny COVID, or if they want to paint a picture of how badly local authorities have done, you would use the lowest international estimate. In reality, our lockdowns have largely worked, as do the vaccines. Shock, horror! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6845 –
Some things we'll never cure save for living like a Trappist monk ... a weird world we live in

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6846 –
Covid is effectively over.  Any concerns over it are well and truly masked by goings on in the ukraine, and the sooner we get rid of masks and get on with it the better.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6847 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Covid is effectively over.  Any concerns over it are well and truly masked by goings on in the ukraine, and the sooner we get rid of masks and get on with it the better.
I'll defer a call on the pandemic being over at least until Oct 2022.

The experts (epidemiologists and virologists) seem a bit 50/50.

The West seems overly optimistic, and is largely ignoring the unvaccinated state of Africa, until it's over for everyone many experts say it is not over for anyone. We've already seen the disruption boarder closures and the like can do, globally, regardless of what and which region triggers them!

Also, I had a long conversation with my GP a couple of days back, he is dreading the coming Flu season, they don't even have a clue of a Flu vaccine direction yet and we are normally getting jabbed in April. His big worry is a new variant or dwindling resistance to COVID combined with the Flu.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6848 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Covid is effectively over.  Any concerns over it are well and truly masked by goings on in the ukraine, and the sooner we get rid of masks and get on with it the better.

Tell that to the dimwit in W.A.  But it has dramatically subsided internationally, I agree Thry.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6849 –
Maybe in a macro sense, Thry.  Not so for those who are still catching it and having to isolate.  While it generally seems to knock people around for a few days,  the family isolation part is really hard for many. (Often followed by glad we've had it now).

Plenty of elderly are being cautious.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6850 –
Quote from: dodge – on
Maybe in a macro sense, Thry.  Not so for those who are still catching it and having to isolate.  While it generally seems to knock people around for a few days,  the family isolation part is really hard for many. (Often followed by glad we've had it now).

Plenty of elderly are being cautious.


Yep. Mrs Baggers and I were isolating a coupla weeks back with Covid.

Symptoms were mild for a few days with the worst bit being the lethargy. For me there was no real sore throat or cough and usually with flu's I get a shocker of a sore throat - swallowing red hot razor blades kind of hurt, but with Covid just a very mild croakiness. Guess the triple vaxx prevented more severe symptoms. But it does linger after the worst has gone.

My GP was candid in admitting that the medical fraternity is still learning about Covid and its on-going/lingering effects. I got an outbreak of hives (Urticaria) when it seemed to have gone, but Zyrtec got rid of them after a few days. I suspect the 'Covid fat lady' hasn't tuned up her vocal cords just yet.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6851 –
We're getting it one at a time.   I have just about finished my week.   Didn't eat for three days - razor blades were too much.   The amount of phlegm I've coughed up is too much!  Other than that it has been a bad head cold experience. Coming good now.

Mrs +ve today.   Well see how she goes...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6852 –
Quote from: dodge – on
Maybe in a macro sense, Thry.  Not so for those who are still catching it and having to isolate.  While it generally seems to knock people around for a few days,  the family isolation part is really hard for many. (Often followed by glad we've had it now).

Plenty of elderly are being cautious.


Absolutely!

Apart from the consequences of a bout of Omicron, there’s the potential impact of the next variant.

It’s good that folk are optimistic, but optimism doesn’t count for much in the face of modelling that’s proved to be very reliable.

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6853 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I got an outbreak of hives (Urticaria) when it seemed to have gone, but Zyrtec got rid of them after a few days. I suspect the 'Covid fat lady' hasn't tuned up her vocal cords just yet.
You're about the 4th person I've heard talk about hives, it must be a thing!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6854 –
Sorry guys, the dissenters were right all along.  It hasn't been and isn't that big a deal.  We should be seeing a really high rate of disease and death in those communities that havent been vaccinated (the very places the variants are supposed to come from).

Thing is, even there, although they do have excess death, it isnt in any sort of volume that suggests that COVID is or ever will be that big a deal.

Obviously, I attribute our outcomes to the breaks being applied, not letting it rip, vaccinations, etc, but lets face it, its been blown way out of proportion and we can all say that fairly confidently now. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson