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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7410 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
That sounds rather strange to me, and I'd hazard a guess that the reasons given are not the real reasons, but that's just my personal opinion.
That Wikipedia page you referenced earlier exposes a partial hint at a reason for this, it's possibly related to vasovagal syncope and differentiated from Aichmophobia(fear of sharps) compared to Trypanophobia(fear of injections).

So I suspect a person may well tolerate sharp things like pin pricks of a tattoo, but an intravenous needle might still trigger an involuntary syncope.

I suppose it seems irrational to unaffected 3rd parties, but I suspect given we are discussing this in context of a vaccine and 5G conspiracy association it probably makes perfect sense.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7411 –
Quote from: LP – on
That Wikipedia page you referenced earlier exposes a partial hint at a reason for this, it's possibly related to vasovagal syncope and differentiated from Aichmophobia(fear of sharps) compared to Trypanophobia(fear of injections).

So I suspect a person may well tolerate sharp things like pin pricks of a tattoo, but an intravenous needle might still trigger an involuntary syncope.

I suppose it seems irrational to unaffected 3rd parties, but I suspect given we are discussing this in context of a vaccine and 5G conspiracy association it probably makes perfect sense.

I guess that seems reasonable.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7412 –
The main reason for all this anti-vax stuff is simple, and its not about needles. Its about a lack of education, in general, but specifically scientific.

People who don't understand science are scared by it. That starts the snowball rolling and before you know it you are deep within a youtube rabbit hole of conspiracies never to return.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7413 –
There is probably a difference between the hard core and the vast majority, the hard core no doubt travel down the rabbit hole.

I suspect global motivations will be a spectrum.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7414 –
I've continued to get boosters at a regular rate.
But the thing about 'following Science' in the instance of Covid is that the Science is still trying to work it all out.
I'm far less confident that all the information, procedures and restrictions were always best practice.
They were only ever the best available at the time.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7415 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I've continued to get boosters at a regular rate.
But the thing about 'following Science' in the instance of Covid is that the Science is still trying to work it all out.
I'm far less confident that all the information, procedures and restrictions were always best practice.
They were only ever the best available at the time.



Of course it was Lods, it was uncharted territory.
Remember when they didn’t know how much transmission occurred through surface contact ?
Once they figured it out they changed the advice, trouble is the great uneducated and unwashed expect unchanging advice and when it does change they think it’s a “gotcha moment” 🙄
Let’s go BIG !

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7416 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Of course it was Lods, it was uncharted territory.
Remember when they didn’t know how much transmission occurred through surface contact ?
Once they figured it out they changed the advice, trouble is the great uneducated and unwashed expect unchanging advice and when it does change they think it’s a “gotcha moment” 🙄

No doubt,
But it was presented and controlled in such a way that to question the methods employed at any level was met with ridicule and vilification.
It was very black and white.
That wasn't helpful...it created divisions between friends and families.

Now I was quite happy with the approach...I felt it kept us safe.
It probably had a dramatic effect on the mortality rate.
But along the way there was no doubt a bit of wrong information and method employed in terms of restrictions as we moved through various stages of the pandemic.
A lot of the issues were to do with timing...when to shut things down, when to open up etc.

The result is that when (not if) the next pandemic comes along many more folks will be very hesitsant to undertake or go along with the same drastic methods employed during the worst covid years.

It's not something we can do much about, it's just how it will play out.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7417 –
The thing that repulsed me the most about the COVID period is how science, and respected workers in technical fields got trashed for the utterings of internet numpties that are barely qualified to walk and talk synchronously (gee that's a big word for that mob, I'd better use "at the same time" and dumb it down).
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7418 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
The thing that repulsed me the most about the COVID period is how science, and respected workers in technical fields got trashed for the utterings of internet numpties that are barely qualified to walk and talk synchronously (gee that's a big word for that mob, I'd better use "at the time" and dumb it down).

Absolutely Prof!  I suspect that they’re all dab hands at helping their kids with maths and science homework too 🙄

The cookers are going off like crackers at the news of Olympians competing while suffering from COVID.  I suspect that they’ll ignore Lyles having to be wheeled off the track.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7419 –
Quote from: DJC – on

The cookers are going off like crackers at the news of Olympians competing while suffering from COVID.  I suspect that they’ll ignore Lyles having to be wheeled off the track.
I'm sure the fact the athletes are under 24x7 medical surveillance by health professionals, if not loaded on anti-viral treatments, will be completely ignored by those parroting the "COVID is Harmless" and "COVID is a Conspiracy" mantra!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7420 –
Quote from: LP – on
I'm sure the fact the athletes are under 24x7 medical surveillance by health professionals, if not loaded on anti-viral treatments, will be completely ignored by those parroting the "COVID is Harmless" and "COVID is a Conspiracy" mantra!

No doubt he'll be put up as an example of how Covid doesn't really affect folks seriously if they can run an Olympic final...wheel chair exit or not.
There are issues at the other end of the scale though...

It was a tremendous effort to perform that well considering but....
The focus of the event is now not on the winner...and he's put the folks around him pre and post race at risk.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7421 –
Quote from: Lods – on
No doubt he'll be put up as an example of how Covid doesn't really affect folks seriously if they can run an Olympic final...wheel chair exit or not.
There are issues at the other end of the scale though...

It was a tremendous effort to perform that well considering but....
The focus of the event is now not on the winner...and he's put the folks around him pre and post race at risk.

Lyles should have worn an N95 mask  ::)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7422 –
Quote from: Lods – on
No doubt,
But it was presented and controlled in such a way that to question the methods employed at any level was met with ridicule and vilification.
It was very black and white.
That wasn't helpful...it created divisions between friends and families.

Now I was quite happy with the approach...I felt it kept us safe.
It probably had a dramatic effect on the mortality rate.
But along the way there was no doubt a bit of wrong information and method employed in terms of restrictions as we moved through various stages of the pandemic.
A lot of the issues were to do with timing...when to shut things down, when to open up etc.

The result is that when (not if) the next pandemic comes along many more folks will be very hesitsant to undertake or go along with the same drastic methods employed during the worst covid years.

It's not something we can do much about, it's just how it will play out.

There is 2 things at play with this.
1. The Science.
2. The politicians implementing restrictions.

As we know, the science is the same the world over, essentially, some people are ahead of others and what not, but eventually everyone is on the same page.

However, the politicians varied drastically with their approach, country by country, state by state.
So 'best practice' was 'best practice.......for the politicians at the time.
Some were more conservative, some were more blase.
Some focussed on eliminating deaths.
Some focussed on minimising deaths.
Some focussed on keeping the economy alive.
Some focussed on whatever worked best for them and their mates.

I don't want to get into a who did what and why, but every country and every state and every country has an issue with how their leader handled things.
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7423 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
There is 2 things at play with this.
1. The Science.
2. The politicians implementing restrictions.

As we know, the science is the same the world over, essentially, some people are ahead of others and what not, but eventually everyone is on the same page.

However, the politicians varied drastically with their approach, country by country, state by state.
So 'best practice' was 'best practice.......for the politicians at the time.
Some were more conservative, some were more blase.
Some focussed on eliminating deaths.
Some focussed on minimising deaths.
Some focussed on keeping the economy alive.
Some focussed on whatever worked best for them and their mates.

I don't want to get into a who did what and why, but every country and every state and every country has an issue with how their leader handled things.

The science isn’t the same the world over.  Western science is way ahead of third world science and the status of scientific research  varies considerably from one country to the next.  India had very little idea of its COVID death toll and was unable to formulate a coherent response.  Sweden’s scientific response was at odds with most other western countries … and their citizens paid the price.

Even in our country, the scientific advice varied considerably from State to State and from State to Commonwealth.  How much of that was down to scientists conforming to political demands is debatable.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #7424 –
One could argue that at a broad level, the principles that underlie the scientific method has a base level universality, consistency and commonality, but there exists within those principles flexibility as to the degree, the ordering of steps etc. that varies based on a few different parameters.

Notwithstanding that, it is important to note that science is a part of culture, and the way it is practiced is affected by the culture in which it is practiced.