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Pre Game Permutations: AFL 2020 R1 Carlton vs Richmond

With a less than inspiring Practice Match series and a load of players not fully fit, the opening round is beginning to look ... less than optimal.
[1] Ruck: Big problem so far with Kreuzer no where near 100 %. Our back-ups are d Koning, who is developing, but who isn't ready yet, and Pittonet, who offers something different, but who does not have many runs on the board against mature ruckmen.
[2] On-Ballers: Not looking all that good, although Cripps and Walsh appear to be going well.
[3] Tall forwards: At the moment, only Levi has shown anything. McGovern did nothing today. Charlie Curnow won't be playing for half a year and probably won't be near his best until next year. H hasn't played at all, and is extremely unlikely to line up for the first game.
[4] Defenders: We haven't seen the full defence yet. At least Jones appeared to have played reasonably today. Williamson and Docherty were good against Collingwood, but haven't done much since.
[5] Recruits: At the moment, this area is not looking promising. Martin has done OK, and we know what Eddie Betts can do, but Newnes has not excited and the rest are kids. The other younger players appear to have stagnated, other than Walsh.
[6] Our skills do not appear to have improved. We still ruin too many chances.
[7] Our pressure has been very low in the last 2 games. Nor has there been any clear tactical or strategic change visible at this time.

I hate being so negative less than 2 weeks before the season starts, and I know practice match form is not a great indication of how we may play, but at the moment, I couldn't see us as anything but rank under-dogs. If we manage to win, it will be a huge turnaround.
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yep

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We are crap.

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With the rucks, I have always thought Kruze and Cas were our best combo in recent times. They weren't so good last night which is a concern. Kruze got spanked, when Levi went into the middle, he was very ordinary. Maybe we need to give Pitto a go, can't be any worse.
2017 - 16th
2018 - Wooden Spoon
2019 - 16th
2020 - write off

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Almost impossible to expect change when we pick up fringe players from bottom teams year after year at the trade table because for whatever reason we just can’t get any real proven talent in the door - doing that puts all the heat on the kids to elevate their game otherwise we just can’t improve.

Loins were able to add Neale and Cameron who are both AA players in year 3. we haven’t added anyone even remotely close to that quality since the rebuild started. Love to see how they would go if you replaced neale and Cameron with 2 fringe banana players from our list. Reckon then the results would almost be reversed which would show why our failures at the trade table will again yield failures on the field.

We miss on papely and then rejoice getting a 34 year old when we bang on year and after year we will not recruit older blokes. But have no room for Daisy who probably played his best season with us over Simpson who looks cooked and also decide to keep Lang and Polson and waste time on playing them in the practice matches. Stupid is too soft a word.

We are now that dumb as a club we use our first pick in the last draft on a bloke that just did his acl and won’t even play this year. Like that’s a move a top 2 team has the luxury of making not a farking bottom team. And there are still some on her that think that was a great move too.

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I noticed Murphy sat out a big chunk of H2? Why?

Ed C? Didn't see him much either?

Jack Martin will be AA in short order but until some of SPS, Fisher, Setterfield and the like can play a whole match at a good standard, we'll struggle....

Cuners should have played - he can add spark.

Dow? Still unconvinced though he tried.

Time to put Kennedy and/or JSOS in the guts for an extended time.

Special K worried me more than any - he was whipped badly. And gave us nothing around the ground.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

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After watching our pathetic effort yesterday I watched about half of the Richmond v Giants match.  What a reality check.

We are so far off the pace of the top sides - years in fact.

I hate to admit it but the result of our recruiting  over the past five years has left the cupboard bare with few players with the necessary skills to match the best of the top eight sides.

It doesn't matter who we have as coach.  We seem to be stacked with players with mediocre skills at best who will never get better, only older.  And players who promise so much but are not able to deliver consistently.

Then we have the injury prone Charlie and Harry who we expected by now to be leaders in our move up the ladder.  Who knows when and if they will deliver in the future.


 

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I noticed Murphy sat out a big chunk of H2? Why?

Ed C? Didn't see him much either?

Jack Martin will be AA in short order but until some of SPS, Fisher, Setterfield and the like can play a whole match at a good standard, we'll struggle....

Cuners should have played - he can add spark.

Dow? Still unconvinced though he tried.

Time to put Kennedy and/or JSOS in the guts for an extended time.

Special K worried me more than any - he was whipped badly. And gave us nothing around the ground.

Those names especially together with a few others like Poulson, Harry and McGovern are just not delivering the goods at the moment. If they were we would be be in a vastly better place. At this stage I can only hope things will get better BUT I'm not holding my breath. Wish I could be a little more positive.
Reality is when you stop believing in something it doesn’t go away.......

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Those names especially together with a few others like Poulson, Harry and McGovern are just not delivering the goods at the moment. If they were we would be be in a vastly better place. At this stage I can only hope things will get better BUT I'm not holding my breath. Wish I could be a little more positive.

Did SPS or Kennedy even play in the NBs game?

Polson isn't up to it presently. Likely isn't full stop.

Play the small defender role in the NBs fort half a season and work out how to fix disposal.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

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After watching our pathetic effort yesterday I watched about half of the Richmond v Giants match.  What a reality check.

We are so far off the pace of the top sides - years in fact.

I hate to admit it but the result of our recruiting  over the past five years has left the cupboard bare with few players with the necessary skills to match the best of the top eight sides.

It doesn't matter who we have as coach.  We seem to be stacked with players with mediocre skills at best who will never get better, only older.  And players who promise so much but are not able to deliver consistently.

Then we have the injury prone Charlie and Harry who we expected by now to be leaders in our move up the ladder.  Who knows when and if they will deliver in the future.


 

yet did you see the Dees-Hawks or Port-Doggies games?

Worse than us!!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

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I noticed Murphy sat out a big chunk of H2? Why?

Ed C? Didn't see him much either?

Jack Martin will be AA in short order but until some of SPS, Fisher, Setterfield and the like can play a whole match at a good standard, we'll struggle....

Cuners should have played - he can add spark.

Dow? Still unconvinced though he tried.

Time to put Kennedy and/or JSOS in the guts for an extended time.

Special K worried me more than any - he was whipped badly. And gave us nothing around the ground.

The issue is fly you are willing to count in  blokes like setterfield Kennedy Cunningham that are not proven footballers to turn the switch and become the players we need which is wishful thinking. The fact is many kids with potential don’t make it or take a lot longer then supporters think to become regular and consistent footballers. (Sam Walsh aside).

I’m so annoyed in the 5th year of the rebuild our hopes are still hinged on kids taking the next step because what should be our core group in the 23-28 year bracket is apart from Cripps and Docherty the worst group in the AFL as the blokes we traded in to strengthen it were fringe players at best.

Yet Im told SOS did an amazing job.

Joke.

 

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The issue is fly you are willing to count in  blokes like setterfield Kennedy Cunningham that are not proven footballers to turn the switch and become the players we need which is wishful thinking. The fact is many kids with potential don’t make it or take a lot longer then supporters think to become regular and consistent footballers. (Sam Walsh aside).

I’m so annoyed in the 5th year of the rebuild our hopes are still hinged on kids taking the next step because what should be our core group in the 23-28 year bracket is apart from Cripps and Docherty the worst group in the AFL as the blokes we traded in to strengthen it were fringe players at best.

Yet Im told SOS did an amazing job.

Joke.

 
 Just some stats re age of our list.

We have 20 players on our list who are 23 and over. 
4 of those came in the offseason (Pittonet, Newnes, Martin and Betts)
1 more the year before (McGovern)
2 more are rookies who have joined in the same period (Gibbons and Goddard)

Leaving just 13 senior players  (23 or older) who have been on the list for 2 or more years....and 7 others still finding their feet.

Throw in Docherty and Marchbank who are in that group but have barely played through injury....and you are down to half a team.

We have 8 players who are 22 curently. This is Silvagnis first draft class coming through.
In that draft (and trade period) he added...
Weitering
McKay
Curnow (23)
Cuningham
Jack Silvagni
and also Plowman (25) via trade. 

Not a bad start if you ask me.
Besides the 5 draftees, we also have Kennedy, Setterfield (both SOS trades), SPS (drafted the following year) and Owies (cat b rookie) as 22 yo's.

THESE are the players that you can judge SOS on as that is the start of his reign. These are the players that are entering their prime and by seasons end we will be able to judge them once and for all.

We have 17 other players who are 21 and under!






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The decision to offload Thomas is looking sillier by the minute based on the terrible skills on display in the last fortnight. His best was past him for sure and his kicking lacked depth, but he was smarter than most of the blokes on the list and used the ball well when he got it...albeit over small distances. What we wouldn't give at the moment for a few blokes who can kick it 30m straight to a team mate.

I think Martin will be a huge plus once the season gets going. He's one who's got that bit of X-Factor and we haven't got too many of those.

I wouldn't criticise the decision on Kemp just yet. He was very highly rated and looks like a great size and could end up being that Elliot Yeo type who can play nearly anywhere.

But agree on the other points with so many of our younger blokes who've stalled or even gone backwards....Walsh being the exception. Go back to that 2015 draft with Weitering, Curnow, McKay and Cunningham in the top 20. They've all struggled at times with form/fitness/injuries and right now, Weitering is the only one playing! That's a huge hit with blokes coming into their 5th season of footy. Then the likes of Fisher, Dow and O'Brien who just haven't come on and even SPS has been an issue apart from some solid form in some games last year. There's 7 younger players right there that we've been waiting for.

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The decision to offload Thomas is looking sillier by the minute .
It surely can't look any sillier than it did at the time it happened! :o

It's too late now the deal is done, and I doubt we will ever really know the true why and how!
The Force Awakens!

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Just some stats re age of our list.

We have 20 players on our list who are 23 and over.
4 of those came in the offseason (Pittonet, Newnes, Martin and Betts)
1 more the year before (McGovern)
2 more are rookies who have joined in the same period (Gibbons and Goddard)

Leaving just 13 senior players  (23 or older) who have been on the list for 2 or more years....and 7 others still finding their feet.

Throw in Docherty and Marchbank who are in that group but have barely played through injury....and you are down to half a team.

We have 8 players who are 22 curently. This is Silvagnis first draft class coming through.
In that draft (and trade period) he added...
Weitering
McKay
Curnow (23)
Cuningham
Jack Silvagni
and also Plowman (25) via trade.

Not a bad start if you ask me.
Besides the 5 draftees, we also have Kennedy, Setterfield (both SOS trades), SPS (drafted the following year) and Owies (cat b rookie) as 22 yo's.

THESE are the players that you can judge SOS on as that is the start of his reign. These are the players that are entering their prime and by seasons end we will be able to judge them once and for all.

We have 17 other players who are 21 and under!







It’s not the number we have it’s the lack of quality in it.

The names you mentioned apart from 3-4 don’t exactly put the fear of god in the opposition do they. Like many on here your clinging on to bloke you hope will become players but as the years go on those numbers will start dwinding.

Spin it any way you want but apart from weitering plowman Charlie and maybe McKay the rest are fails or jury out at best till this point.

Good luck hanging a seasons success on that group.