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Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #105 –
De Koning is among the very least of our problems. There’s a reason smart clubs are sniffing around.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #106 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'm not paying big money for TDK if he can't compete with the likes of O'Brien and needs Pittonet to hold his hand vs the push and shove merchants.
O'Brien is an ok ruckman but isn't one of the top shelf variety and that's concerning...


Well said Brother Elwood and 100% on the money.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #107 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'm not paying big money for TDK if he can't compete with the likes of O'Brien and needs Pittonet to hold his hand vs the push and shove merchants.
O'Brien is an ok ruckman but isn't one of the top shelf variety and that's concerning...
TDK is still a ruck child, he needs another 2 or 3 years, he knows that and his manager knows that.

Last night pretty much everyone in our squad looked lightweight, is The Weapon on the job at Crowland, how on earth do blokes get so much heavier and yet remain so much faster? Even old man Walker was running circles around Weiters and Young!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #108 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Marc is the bash and crash ruckman, but he isn't the strongest bull out there and he isn't in the same sort of form he was to start last year. He'll be better next season, as his knee recovery becomes a part of history. But that still leaves us with now. What do we do with Pittonet not there?
I'd be tempted to play Mirkov next week, even though he probably isn't ready. He has that extra height and might just be able to use it. We couldn't be any worse, that is for certain, as Jack is not the solution to our ruck issues.
Pitto might not have helped last night, like Cripps he can be a liability if the ball can't be locked in.

They bullied TDK last, but TDK is a mighty oak compared to Mirkov!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #109 –
Quote from: LP – on
TDK is still a ruck child, he needs another 2 or 3 years, he knows that and his manager knows that.

Last night pretty much everyone in our squad looked lightweight, is The Weapon on the job at Crowland, how on earth do blokes get so much heavier and yet remain so much faster?...............

Darren Burgess.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #110 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Darren Burgess.
We had good elite performance people and we let them go, we blamed them for issues that were not fitness or strength related, an easy target for an excuse.

Melb didn't hang onto this bloke and they now look a bit broken, the Crows look like monsters, but not just ordinary monsters, they look like monsters on steroids!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #111 –
Quote from: LP – on
Pitto might not have helped last night, like Cripps he can be a liability if the ball can't be locked in.

They bullied TDK last, but TDK is a mighty oak compared to Mirkov!

Mirkov could be our Mason Cox, just has to get to contests, compete and make it hard for other ruckman to dominate.
I'd be giving him a go and see what he has to offer. Cox went to another level when he  was given more responsibility and maybe Mirkov can give us a different look.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #112 –
Is it my imagination or does TDK seem to have gone backwards this year? I realise young ruck form can fluctuate, but TDK isn't quite what he was last year, or is it expectation that he would improve? Noticeably.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #113 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Mirkov could be our Mason Cox, just has to get to contests, compete and make it hard for other ruckman to dominate.
I'd be giving him a go and see what he has to offer. Cox went to another level when he  was given more responsibility and maybe Mirkov can give us a different look.

Be interesting to see how Mirkov does tonight... along with a few other blokes.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #114 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Mirkov could be our Mason Cox, just has to get to contests, compete and make it hard for other ruckman to dominate.
I'd be giving him a go and see what he has to offer. Cox went to another level when he  was given more responsibility and maybe Mirkov can give us a different look.
Mason Cox wouldn't get a game at Carlton, as a ruck I'd even have him behind SoJ, and there is stuff all chance he would displace BigH or Charlie!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #115 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Is it my imagination or does TDK seem to have gone backwards this year? I realise young ruck form can fluctuate, but TDK isn't quite what he was last year, or is it expectation that he would improve? Noticeably.
Good call on TDK Shane....I dont think he is anywhere near last years form and while he is still handy and competitive Im not seeing what others see who think he is worth a big money contract. His frame is still light and his body needs a lot more work to make him able to dominate games rather than just compete and restrict other ruckman.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #116 –
TDK is still light relative to other rucks, but so was Peter Moore.

I read TDK put on 9kgs this pre-season compared to last pre-season, that is a lot from a low base, if you do this stuff too quickly you end up breaking them like we broke SpecialK.

The big blokes have to grow into their frame, do it too artificially and they end up buggered. Like it or not, that means peak performance around 27 years of age, usually we have kyboshed them by that stage!

But the main problem last night wasn't TDK but the ruck umpiring was horrendous. Earlier this season if TDK did what O'Brien did last night TDK would be penalised for blocking. Then last night TDK jumps as the AFL are supposed to want them to do, and O'Brien stands flat footed and straight arms TDK away from the fall of the ball without penalty. It's bullsh1t adjudication, the kid can't win. Then he tried to jump over O'Brien and the umpires pinged TDK for making high contact!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #117 –
Quote from: LP – on
Mason Cox wouldn't get a game at Carlton, as a ruck I'd even have him behind SoJ, and there is stuff all chance he would displace BigH or Charlie!

You look at his stats.....they are not bad and he is ahead of Pitto, TDK and Jack for contested marks plus has a better goal average.
Jacks stats are a tad underwhelming to be honest and I was a bit disappointed when comparing them on footywire as I rate Jack as a important member of the team.
Cox shouldnt even be close in any stats category given he is a rookie from the USA with zero background in the game but his extra size makes him a difficult player to mathcup on. He will only ever be a very part time ruck doing his 5-10 mins a quarter and spend more time forward but he fits in with how Collingwood play very well and if I wanted someone to kick for goal to save my life Id pick Cox over Pitto, TDK or Jack everytime

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #118 –
Quote from: LP – on
TDK is still light relative to other rucks, but so was Peter Moore.

I read TDK put on 9kgs this pre-season compared to last pre-season, that is a lot from a low base, if you do this stuff too quickly you end up breaking them like we broke SpecialK.

The big blokes have to grow into their frame, do it too artificially and they end up buggered. Like it or not, that means peak performance around 27 years of age, usually we have kyboshed them by that stage!

But the main problem last night wasn't TDK but the ruck umpiring was horrendous. Earlier this season if TDK did what O'Brien did last night TDK would be penalised for blocking. Then last night TDK jumps as the AFL are supposed to want them to do, and O'Brien stands flat footed and straight arms TDK away from the fall of the ball without penalty. It's bullsh1t adjudication, the kid can't win. Then he tried to jump over O'Brien and the umpires pinged TDK for making high contact!
He got spanked in the ruck and Id rather move onto his work around the ground which is meant to meant his strong point and advantage over other bigger units. He had 9 possessions and 1 mark for the game...Obrien had 17 possessions and 9 marks.......
He is still very much a kid learning the game and not a No 1 ruckman by a long way and talks of big contracts for him are madness imho, he has a long way to go as a footballer before even thinking about him as a Bonafide quality ruckman.

Re: The Ruck Division .... Is It Really Competent Enough ??

Reply #119 –
Quote from: LP – on
TDK is still light relative to other rucks, but so was Peter Moore.

I read TDK put on 9kgs this pre-season compared to last pre-season, that is a lot from a low base, if you do this stuff too quickly you end up breaking them like we broke SpecialK.

The big blokes have to grow into their frame, do it too artificially and they end up buggered. Like it or not, that means peak performance around 27 years of age, usually we have kyboshed them by that stage!

But the main problem last night wasn't TDK but the ruck umpiring was horrendous. Earlier this season if TDK did what O'Brien did last night TDK would be penalised for blocking. Then last night TDK jumps as the AFL are supposed to want them to do, and O'Brien stands flat footed and straight arms TDK away from the fall of the ball without penalty. It's bullsh1t adjudication, the kid can't win. Then he tried to jump over O'Brien and the umpires pinged TDK for making high contact!

When we drafted Tom he was 89kg.  He is now 102kg, 1kg more than he was last season.  Mirkov was 104kg when he was rookied and is the same now ... but I suspect there's more muscle.  For completeness, Pitto is 104kg, the same as he was at Hawthorn.

Free kicks in ruck contests are a bit like chooklotto  ::)   De Koning has been schooled well but the umpires clearly need to spend some time with Matty K.

Mirkov's ruckwork is often quite different.  He often seems to psyche his opponent out of the contest and at other times he doesn't contest but roves the other ruck's taps.  It will be interesting to see if he can do that against the better AFL rucks.
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