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Reply #1980 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: DJC – on
I suspect that she doesn't realise that she is making a goose of herself.  In fact, I'm sure that she is convinced that her performance today will have won her new supporters.

As a committed republican, it concerns me that her strident, undignified and ineffective protest will damage our cause.  It's a worry when our elected representatives don't seem to have the brains they were born with.

That's kind of my take too.
It's damaging the cause of republicans...and she's targeting the wrong bloke.
Now the monarchy and the republic are obvioulsy intertwined.
But Charles has said that the decision on a republic rests solely with the Australian people.
And that's how it should be.
I suspect he wouldn't be to worried to give us the flick, but still retain visitation rights.

What is the benefit of keeping the status quo?

What is the drawbacks of 'leaving the nest'?

I can't see a whole lot changing

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Reply #1981 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


That's kind of my take too.
It's damaging the cause of republicans...and she's targeting the wrong bloke.
Now the monarchy and the republic are obvioulsy intertwined.
But Charles has said that the decision on a republic rests solely with the Australian people.
And that's how it should be.
I suspect he wouldn't be to worried to give us the flick, but still retain visitation rights.

What is the benefit of keeping the status quo?

What is the drawbacks of 'leaving the nest'?

I can't see a whole lot changing

I think it will eventually.
Maybe not in my lifetime.
It will be a generational thing...although at the moment there still seems to be strong support for the monarchy amongst young Australians

Of course there is always the chance we'll be states number 51-56. :D  :D
Then I can be President  >:D

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Reply #1982 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Does Lidia Thorpe not realise that when she makes a goose of herself that folks just see a goose
...and whatever message she is trying to convey is completely lost.


She is a complete and and utter moron who doesn't realise anything. She leaches a salary off the very system she protests against. There is something very wrong with our political system when imbeciles like that "represent" the public.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #1983 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
She is a narcissist - completely absorbed in self-image.  In her world any news is good news.

Yep, sadly, through my biased mental health lens I see anger/narcissism issues... which are symptomatic of a number of ailments. She seems absolutely oblivious to the fact that she harms whatever cause she's advocating for. And she does indigenous folks no good at all, they should disown her.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1984 –
Like many other Senators who have gone 'independent' after getting elected on a mainstream party ticket - they actually think people voted for them, as opposed to the vast majority of voters who simply follow the how to vote cards, especially for the ridiculously long-winded senate ballot paper.

Personally, I think if a Senator decides they do not wish to belong to the party on whose ticket they got elected, they should resign and allow the party in question to nominate a replacement.

There have been a few good independent Senators (think Brian Harradine, Nick Xenophon), but they were elected under their own banner.

I bet the Greens regret the day they put Lidia onto their ticket......
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #1985 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Like many other Senators who have gone 'independent' after getting elected on a mainstream party ticket - they actually think people voted for them, as opposed to the vast majority of voters who simply follow the how to vote cards, especially for the ridiculously long-winded senate ballot paper.

Personally, I think if a Senator decides they do not wish to belong to the party on whose ticket they got elected, they should resign and allow the party in question to nominate a replacement.

There have been a few good independent Senators (think Brian Harradine, Nick Xenophon), but they were elected under their own banner.

I bet the Greens regret the day they put Lidia onto their ticket......
There are no consequences for bad behaviour. If I got up and ranted and raved at a work event, I'd be looking for a new job. Instead, they pander to morons like that in the name of free speech. She is a disruptive troublemaker who will go through her working life (paid by you and I) and achieve zero. She is dead set taking the piss.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #1986 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Like many other Senators who have gone 'independent' after getting elected on a mainstream party ticket - they actually think people voted for them, as opposed to the vast majority of voters who simply follow the how to vote cards, especially for the ridiculously long-winded senate ballot paper.

Personally, I think if a Senator decides they do not wish to belong to the party on whose ticket they got elected, they should resign and allow the party in question to nominate a replacement.

There have been a few good independent Senators (think Brian Harradine, Nick Xenophon), but they were elected under their own banner.

I bet the Greens regret the day they put Lidia onto their ticket......

But that would require principles and a desire to do the right thing 🙄

Of course, our constitution is silent on political parties and we have to rely on conventions.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1987 –
When her term in parliament finishes it will be "Bye bye, Lidia".  She has a snowflakes chance in hell of being re-elected standing as an independent.

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Reply #1988 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
When her term in parliament finishes it will be "Bye bye, Lidia".  She has a snowflakes chance in hell of being re-elected standing as an independent.

Same as Senator Fatima Payman.  Her Australia's Voice is unlikely to get any representation in Parliament.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1989 –
For Lidia to be claiming she is representing 'her people' is just rubbish. If she understood the spirituality of Indigenous Aussies there is no way she'd behave in such a disrespectful, self-interested and self-aggrandizing manner.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

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Reply #1990 –
When you have educated people who can hold a conversation and debate respectfully in proper settings, great things can be achieved. Thorpe is incapable of anything even remotely close to the above and as long as she is in the public eye so called "fighting for her people",  she will continue to do nothing but irreparable damage to indigenous culture in this country. Might be completely off here but thats how I see it.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #1991 –
Questions need to be raised of ALL parliamentarians:

 a) How do/did you represent those in your electorate - those that did and didn't vote for you
 b) How did you contribute positively to parliament
 c) If you didn't vote for some legislation, what contribution did you make as either an outlined alternative position or suggested amendments to the proposed legislation to best represent your electorate

Impacts of legislation on society can be very complex - strict ideology with no flexibility has no place.

Back to Lydia:
 - How have you represented those that voted for you?
 - How have you positively contributed to parliament?
 - How have you suggested improvements to proposed legislation?
 - Are you just an activist that receives $220k per year on the taxpayer.

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Reply #1992 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
When you have educated people who can hold a conversation and debate respectfully in proper settings, great things can be achieved.

Prove it.

Has never happened in parliament thus far. It is the pipe dream though.

Unfortunately people argue like angry kindergartners all emotion and self interest.

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Reply #1993 –
Historically, power asymmetries have never been corrected voluntarily. There isn't one example that I can recall where those at the top cede power over a hot cocoa and marshmallows. Historically, their hand has always been forced. Lidia Thorpe is rough around the edges and doesn't mind crude tactics (or maybe doesn't know any better), but she does have a point. It's taken 200 years for First Nations voices to be even heard, and there's still plenty to do. Martin Luther King was correct when he said the arc of the moral universe is long.

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Reply #1994 –
No one in parliament is interested in changing the status quo remarkably.  They are only interested in feeding their own snout and making sure the trough they feed at is protected.

That's fine, so long as we have no illusions we won't be dissapointed.   They'll change bits and pieces along the way, but it has to suit.  As we see another onslaught of minority immigration it suits Australia the nation to tie itself to indigenous roots as a matter of national security.  Also fine unless you don't like that.  Pretty hard to topple the nation or invade it though.  You'll see tenuous links to being indigenous granted soon enough too.  People will embrace it.
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