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Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #45 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Our kicking tonight was diabolical. I couldn't watch it. Time and again, we had open targets to think too slowly or to kick/handball too poorly.

Why does our poor kicking surprise you? Surely you are used to it by now. Been the same for as long as I can remember.

Reckon we are lucky to have 20% of our list that you would say are decent users by foot.
The rest are hit and miss at best.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #46 –
Quote from: laj – on
Start with the Club's Shrink...lol.

At least we are at the thread in round 15 not round 3...lol.
You know I was thinking that very thing, I normally put the line through the names in rnd 5 or 6, I lasted until 15!
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #47 –
I know we all vent in this threat, and often with excellent reasons, but sometimes you wonder about the thought processes at our club. This year's financial debacle will cost us places on our list and probably reduce our salary cap.

This year's changes to the game have made small scores the norm. Very few teams get on top and stay there for a whole game. There have been more goalless quarters this season than there have been in a century.

So, it would seem that our players and coaches are not aware of this. We can't train them hard with another game coming so soon, but we must make changes. There is no 2nds game this week for guys to impress the selectors. Our one true star needs a rest. He is delivering nothing.

So, what can we do about it? Probably not much now. It is too late. But I hope we learn something from these games. And since we cannot run our players into the dirt, then let them all practice goal kicking until Tuesday.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #48 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Eddie looks gone, played on the kid Aish and couldnt get near it all night....
Constantly slipped over, in his day when presented with the opportunities he got tonight, would have have pulled out the tricks, danced around the defenders and bag 4 or 5. Father time has caught up to him.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #49 –
What do we do with Harry?  Since coming to Carlton his kicking style has not changed nor has his accuracy.  Being a left footer, if he can't kick straight now he's not going to change.

Prior to tonight's game his goal kicking accuracy was 37.9%.

It just came to mind that he may become our modern version of Anthony Rocca - great hands but a heartbreaker when kicking for goal.  

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #50 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Our kicking tonight was diabolical. I couldn't watch it. Time and again, we had open targets to think too slowly or to kick/handball too poorly.
To a man, they will cringe when they review the tape of that game.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #51 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Why does our poor kicking surprise you? Surely you are used to it by now. Been the same for as long as I can remember.

Reckon we are lucky to have 20% of our list that you would say are decent users by foot.
The rest are hit and miss at best.
Again, a couple of things have not changed in years:
- Goal Kicking
- Field Kicking
- Softness mentally when the heat is on.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #53 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Again, a couple of things have not changed in years:
- Goal Kicking
- Field Kicking
- Softness when the heat is on.
Disagree they are soft. They go hard but then fall away and I think that’s fitness, Sam
Walsh stands out because the kid does not stop, has elite endurance and thank god we have him!

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #54 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
So, what can we do about it? Probably not much now. It is too late. But I hope we learn something from these games. And since we cannot run our players into the dirt, then let them all practice goal kicking until Tuesday.

I don't think we can even do that.

After the game a GWS player was interviewed and they brought up GWS' poor accuracy. He said that they can't even practice goal kicking because there are no goal posts where they are training! WTF?!

I'm not sure if we are training at the same place as GWS, but thats pretty poor.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #55 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Again, a couple of things have not changed in years:
- Goal Kicking
- Field Kicking
- Softness when the heat is on.
Add in technique kicking into forward 50. Still have no system.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Disagree they are soft. They go hard but then fall away and I think that’s fitness, Sam
Walsh stands out because the kid does not stop, has elite endurance and thank god we have him!
I meant soft mentally, not at the contest. Edited.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #57 –
Sorry, the last post wandered a bit: too much to say and I didn't say any of it well. I'll do better this time,

[1] The drop in effectiveness of Marc Pittonet:
One of the major reasons we have been less effective in recent times is that Pittonet is not performing as he was earlier in the year. Other coaches appear more aware of him and his strengths and weaknesses. Lately we've seen too much of his weaknesses.
His ruckwork, his strength, has not been as good lately. His confidence is down. As a result he is doing very little around the ground. he really needs to work on his weaknesses.

[2] Casboult's drop in form:
In many ways Casboult's drop in form has radically altered our forward structure. He is down on confidence and that is a huge part of his game. Maybe he needs to be dropped. Or maybe he needs a few weeks in defence, like he had last year. It would give either Jones or Weitering a rest and he would have someone leading him to the ball.

[3] Two ruck problem:
Young Tom de Koning is looking luck our ruck future. But he is still young and get pushed around too easily. if we are going to play him in the seniors, then we need to move out one of the talls. Our forward line cannot afford as many talls.
So far, when we have played two rucks, it hasn't worked as well as we could hope. Can we afford to continue that? In some ways, we must. We need to get games into de Koning. But not with our present forward structure.

[4] Willo:
I have been writing for some time that we could try Willo in other roles. At the moment, he has run out of gas. he is making mistakes because he is tired.
I'm not surprised. He probably didn't expect to play as much as he has with the injuries he's had. He needs to build his fitness up. That way he probably won't make as many errors. But he is done for 2020. I'd seriously like to see if he can play other roles, because we need flexibility.

[5] Cripps:
I'd rest him this coming game for starters. He has worked himself into the ground and he doesn't have the reserves that he normally has.
I'd also spend the summer working on his weaknesses. really working on them. I want to see Cripps bright eyed, bushy tailed and super fit when 2021 starts.

[6] Harry McKay:
Harry promises much, much continually fails to deliver. He isn't holding his marks. When he leads, he leads to the wing. And when he gets the ball he is kicking at less than 50%. We really need to get him turned around during the summer. If he grabs those marks and makes the most of his opportunities, we won't be kicking a handful of goals per game. But the last few weeks his kicking for goal has been around 20%. Not good enough, and it brings the team down with him.

There, that makes a little more sense.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #58 –
Looking at SOS's drafting over the past 5 years and it's looking pretty fu(k!ng average.

I don't think I've seen a worse skilled side play the game. Dow is a bust, can't run, can't kick and can't get the ball. How was he rated at pick 3?

McKay recruited as a full forward at pick 10. How the fu(k can't a supposed specialist full forward not know how to kick? He's not the only one with this issue, but you would hope the guy recruited as the full forward for the club wouldn't be so flakey. Is anyone confident when he's kicking for goal? Me neither...

So many other high draft picks can't even get a game and yet we still have people lauding SOS's time at the club.

We're playing so many older hacks because it's quite obvious the younger high draft picks are not coming on as expected.

This craps me no end when you look at what Brisbane has managed to achieve yet we're still shyte all over the ground. How the fu(k can that be? Brisbane lost so many high draft picks to the go home factor, but still managed to assemble a competitive side.

We've been rebuilding for what seems like an eternity, and getting nowhere as a result. Carlton, where high draft picks go to die. Something is seriously wrong with this club.

It's time to say goodbye to Murphy, Simpson, Kreuzer and any other player from this unsuccessful era and focus on the younger guys in the hope they change the losing mentality if this fu(king club.
Drugs are bad, mmmkay...
 

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #59 –
Two weeks ago the 'Blues were back.'
Results are all over the shop and being influenced by so many different factors.

The season is wrong for so many reasons.

The shortened game times.
Short breaks between games.
Players away from home, family  and routine.
Hub life and the distractions.
The lack of a proper second tier competition to allow players to develop or even maintain match fitness when not in the senior side.
Virtually no time for training between games.

The sooner it's over the better.
I'd send Cripps home.
He's broken physically...and has other issues that must be playing on his mind..
In a normal season such a move would be unthinkable but I don't think many would begrudge him the break.

Anyone in the hub that hasn't had a game needs to be given a taste.
Now the chances of finals are no longer a consideration let them loose and tell them to take the game on.