Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

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Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #60 – September 03, 2020, 11:49:43 pm

Quote from: Professer E – on September 03, 2020, 09:46:44 pm

MacGovern is a fraud. Takes money pretending to play football. Awful recruiting decision.

Betts is finished. Casboult is so down he'd drop a pie. Useless.

So ducking angry right now.

Wonder if they'll purge my post again (as usual) for been honest and realistic. Anyway, here we go. The issue with Carlton is a simple one. We have a 'training wheels' coach who is struggling. There is no plan 'b'. Shut down the run and gun, and we go to water. That is a system issue. Secondly Silvangni... he butchered about 5 top ten picks in the painful rebuild. Dow, Seton, Mackay?, Obrien, Cunners, Stocker, etc.etc. the list goes on. That is why he was sacked. But too late for us. So that is a personnel issue. Thirdly, we keep holding on to the players that create the 'losing culture'. They are the senior players such as Murphy, Simpson, Kernow etc.etc. that have known nothing more than losing throughout their illustrious careers. They need to go. That is a cultural issue. Finally, the board. We will not accept that we are not moving in the right direction. We simply aren't. The club will be in the doldrums for another 10 years. It is a Terry Wallace 'rebuild of a rebuild.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #61 – September 03, 2020, 11:51:01 pm

I’m with Lods.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #62 – September 04, 2020, 12:32:22 am

Quote from: Lods – on September 03, 2020, 11:40:49 pm

Two weeks ago the 'Blues were back.'
Results are all over the shop and being influenced by so many different factors.

The season is wrong for so many reasons.

The shortened game times.
Short breaks between games.
Players away from home, family and routine.
Hub life and the distractions.
The lack of a proper second tier competition to allow players to develop or even maintain match fitness when not in the senior side.
Virtually no time for training between games.

The sooner it's over the better.
I'd send Cripps home.
He's broken physically...and has other issues that must be playing on his mind..
In a normal season such a move would be unthinkable but I don't think many would begrudge him the break.

Anyone in the hub that hasn't had a game needs to be given a taste.
Now the chances of finals are no longer a consideration let them loose and tell them to take the game on.

I think Teague said in his presser "mathematically we are a chance", he's is either delusional, bumped his head or both so expect more rubbish selections masked as "picking a side to win".

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #63 – September 04, 2020, 12:43:37 am

Some of the stuff was hard to watch. The bit of play were Willo and Jones stuffed it up deep in defence by waiting for the other to go only for the GWS fwd to pick it up and kick the goal was embarrassing. Another was two on one in our favour and Hill (I think) out marks them and kicks the goal. Hard to watch that. On a couple of occasions, our players stood waiting for the ball instead of attacking it only to have it intercepted and taken away. I guess our ladder position reflects where we are at, we didnt deserve to make the 8.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #64 – September 04, 2020, 02:18:16 am

Hard to imagine another win.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #65 – September 04, 2020, 03:53:55 am

So angry.... So confused... So uncertain where this list is going.

For starters, I've never seen so many blokes simply drop off the cliff, it's like any sense of form and spirit has evaporated. They're physically on the field, but hardly contributing when there.

I'd be making wholesale changes, we need to who we need to preserve with - we know what a lot of this crew can and can't do, the old blokes are cooked and too many others are fried. Others are taking the piss attitude-wise and need to be rooted out.

Cripps is the classic example. We all know he's a quality player, but right now he's a liability, playing like he's broken. Why? WTF is the club doing about it? Why persist with him in this state? I could name 20 others.... Its bewildering the way they've dropped away, totally unfathomable.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #66 – September 04, 2020, 07:11:06 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on September 03, 2020, 10:04:02 pm

Eddie looks gone, played on the kid Aish and couldnt get near it all night....

They know all his tricks, it makes it tough for Betts and he hasn't got someone like Tex clearing his path to goal, McKay is yet to learn about the reward of sacrifice and wants to be the man 100% of the time, but that doesn't mean Betts isn't playing a useful role in the team!

Two weeks in a row we've missed easy goals due to rubbish skill errors, ignoring BTs commentary bullcrap about how hard it is to kick across your boot on the run which only muddies the thought process with fantasy.

I hope that the club has set Betts to spend some time with guys like McKay and Martin to iron out those little glitches and it will add 10 goals a season to both players!

But there is worse. Last night two or three times I watched GWS run down or close out our ball carriers by running right past Carlton team-mates unhindered, it's will be clear as day on the replay. On one occasion it was Casboult spectating, on two others it was Williamson. Both players made zero effort to hinder the approaching GWS player and both times it either cost us a easy goal or awarded GWS an easy goal. No opponent should ever get a clear run past one of our players towards a team-mate, ever! It basically cost us the game!

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #67 – September 04, 2020, 07:17:03 am

Quote from: Professer E – on September 04, 2020, 03:53:55 am

So angry.... So confused... So uncertain where this list is going.

For starters, I've never seen so many blokes simply drop off the cliff, it's like any sense of form and spirit has evaporated. They're physically on the field, but hardly contributing when there.

I'd be making wholesale changes, we need to who we need to preserve with - we know what a lot of this crew can and can't do, the old blokes are cooked and too many others are fried. Others are taking the piss attitude-wise and need to be rooted out.

Cripps is the classic example. We all know he's a quality player, but right now he's a liability, playing like he's broken. Why? WTF is the club doing about it? Why persist with him in this state? I could name 20 others.... Its bewildering the way they've dropped away, totally unfathomable.

True, I guess we got sucked in again by the hype. What last night and last week taught us is when the whips are cracking in a finals type game and the pressure mounts, we aren't good enough. Two weeks in a row, too many non contributors, we cant have that. Two weeks in a row, virtually no score in the second half. Blame it on the shorter qtrs, hub, blame it in players being tired, homesick, injured, whatever. I dont buy it, its the same for everyone. Two weeks in a row, brain fades, skill errors (or lack off) and too many passengers cost us games. GWS only needed 1 fair dinkum qtr to put us away. As I said earlier, I reckon our group (coaches included) will find that one hard very to watch.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #68 – September 04, 2020, 07:25:58 am

I can't work out who is wearing some numbers?
Like no. 11? Who the fu$k is that out there. Did someone win a raffle to get a game with Carlton? $hame on you for embarra$$ing that great no.
Also no. 5? Now you see him now you don't.
And no. 2? WTF?

Need a BONAFIDE full fwd. Harry (i can mark but kicks like crap) McKay is not the one. I hear Tex from Adel is looking for a kick?

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #69 – September 04, 2020, 07:56:57 am

BP....those numbers in the backs of the players (2, 5 & 11) are paid for by members.

Members who are over paying the wages of players who play like they don't give a f.....

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #70 – September 04, 2020, 08:16:55 am

I was happy with the effort, much better than last week.

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Reply #71 – September 04, 2020, 08:20:55 am

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HTF are we supposed to beat any decent team when our MC pick all three of Dow, Cottrell and Polson to play at the one time.

This.

Thought Polson went ok, haven't watched the whole game yet...

Seriously, we pick an out of form Levi over TDK = dumb.

Dow - where's his head at?

SPS - play him where he belongs. Why do we persist with such 'tactics'?

Cripps - should not have played. Barely on one leg.

That's where the game was lost - about 8 dumb selections or non selections.

Cuners, TDK, O'Brien (or even bloody Lang) and Kennedy for (say) Levi, Cripps, Cottrell and Dow - we win.

Why didn't Teague throw Martin or Betts or even Guv into the guts in the last - he looked liked a stoned deer in the coaching box. This is becoming a problem.

He appears to have it's an "our way" or nothing mentality.

Needs some serious help in the coaching department - Hodge and/or Solomon yes please.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #72 – September 04, 2020, 08:38:59 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on September 04, 2020, 12:43:37 am

Some of the stuff was hard to watch. The bit of play were Willo and Jones stuffed it up deep in defence by waiting for the other to go only for the GWS fwd to pick it up and kick the goal was embarrassing. Another was two on one in our favour and Hill (I think) out marks them and kicks the goal. Hard to watch that. On a couple of occasions, our players stood waiting for the ball instead of attacking it only to have it intercepted and taken away. I guess our ladder position reflects where we are at, we didnt deserve to make the 8.

This is a great point....

I mean how many times in the last few weeks have we been punished for waiting for the ball.
Or not having the awareness or talk around a contest.
When the first instinct isn't the hunger to get the ball is a big issue.

Dow's career is on the line and did anyone see him chase with any desperation?

Simmo and Eddie couldnt keep their feet a big sign age has caught up with them.

Walsh and Weitering have covered up some pretty big cracks this season.

Last three games will be very interesting with must win games against the Swans and Crows.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #73 – September 04, 2020, 08:43:46 am

Things I was saying during the game last night were repeated by mainly Hodge a minute later; which means even I can see what we were doing wrong.

I think that just shows that we’ve run out of puff and don’t have the personnel to be a top team. The bad stuff was glaringly obvious so I have no doubt Teague knows exactly what needs improving.

We have just run out of steam and really considering cripps has not had a good season, we’ve probably done better than expected.

Was Kennedy injured? How come he wasn’t picked?

Having slept on it, I feel a lot more optimistic for next year. Let’s hope we get our players fit!

Still sucks that our season is over now, especially those of us in Vic who are enduring lockdown and it was at least giving us some joy.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #74 – September 04, 2020, 08:49:48 am

One positive that I want to mention was Ed's bravery backing back into that contested Mark.

Talk about leading by example.
Should finish top 3 in our B&F