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Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #135 –
Quote from: laj – on
Says a bit. Things like this cost a season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-carlton-david-teague-carlton-goal-kicking-carlton-gws-blues-giants-afl-round-15/news-story/dd6326cfe7a2760d6ff17b1c6fd2bc60?utm_source=afl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&$3p=e_ab&$original_url=http://at.foxsports.com.au/link/dd6326cfe7a2760d6ff17b1c6fd2bc60?utm_source=afl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&_branch_match_id=806814755332847399
Yep, remember I said how Craig Jenning on SEN said many weeks go "Accuracy is king this year". He was absolutely spot on.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #136 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
We need to face the facts, we are frauds !!

Yes, that's right, frauds !!

We are not on the cusp of success, we are another 2-3 years away, we still need to "restructure" our playing list.

You do remember the record this club has 12 months ago when Teague took over?
You do remember how LONG your sacked list was with basically the same playing group we have now?
You do realise that we were the worst this competition has seen for decades "Worse than Fitzroy" just last year?

Now, 12 months later we have basically proven we can match it with anyone on any given day, we just need to find more consistency.

You are calling us frauds for this?

We are frauds simply because you couldn't temper your expectations.
We are frauds simply because you got ahead of yourself.

Answer me this. How many other teams have improved more than we have in the last 12 months?

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #137 –
Quote from: Inboltswetrust – on
We will only improve when they finally give the board the arse.

IBWT, gotta say I like your stuff... but, sorry Cocko you couldn't be further from the mark on this one I reckon. Obviously the Board can't control the on-field stuff only who they appoint to be responsible for such things.

On this Board's watch our off-field situation has improved significantly. They got us back on course and had it not been for C-19 2021 would probably have seen the eradication of debt, huge debt, so they've sparkled in that dept.

When judging on-field, when off-field is pretty settled and heading in the right direction, you simply have to look at the same suspects: list management, list development, training and development, coaching and playing personnel, coaching and player support/further training and dev.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #138 –
Quote from: laj – on
Says a bit. Things like this cost a season.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-carlton-david-teague-carlton-goal-kicking-carlton-gws-blues-giants-afl-round-15/news-story/dd6326cfe7a2760d6ff17b1c6fd2bc60?utm_source=afl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&$3p=e_ab&$original_url=http://at.foxsports.com.au/link/dd6326cfe7a2760d6ff17b1c6fd2bc60?utm_source=afl_sportsmail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=crm&_branch_match_id=806814755332847399

Strange thing is when I read the article and the very damning stats I felt buoyed. Why? Nothing better in life than when you've got a problem and you know exactly what it is. You can go straight to remedy, straight to solution. You get those things right and apply that to those stats and where are we?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #139 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
You do remember the record this club has 12 months ago when Teague took over?
You do remember how LONG your sacked list was with basically the same playing group we have now?
You do realise that we were the worst this competition has seen for decades "Worse than Fitzroy" just last year?

Now, 12 months later we have basically proven we can match it with anyone on any given day, we just need to find more consistency.

You are calling us frauds for this?

We are frauds simply because you couldn't temper your expectations.
We are frauds simply because you got ahead of yourself.

Answer me this. How many other teams have improved more than we have in the last 12 months?


Good post in response to an average one

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #140 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
We need to face the facts, we are frauds !!

Yes, that's right, frauds !!

Oh Cloven Hooved One, I suspect you've ingested a dark soul or two to many.

I get that you're bitterly disappointed and that's because you're passionate, like so many of us BlueBaggers. And I sure have blown off steam from time to time as well and written things I wish I hadn't.

I reckon we really are on the cusp and our good has been so good that our bad looks even worse than it may very well be. Yep, our capitulations for periods in games is infuriating and symptomatic of a very real problem... but we know the problem, so that's why in the off season our player recruiting and coaching staff adjustments will be critical and crucial.

If you look at our older brigade only one has stunk the place up in the past month or two - Casboult. Mixed bag from Murph and at times is dreadfully unreliable for someone so skillful, but he's also got some things really right. Simmo and Edwardo, I reckon, have done their jobs well all things considered. Sheesh against Rottingwood Edwardo shone, and against the Midgets last Thursday Simmo was reliable, energetic and effective. As for the Tractor, sadly it would appear that him getting through a pre season then playing again next year might just be a bridge too far. We can't throw them all out.

Just wish the AFL would announce list sizes for next year... the delay is unacceptable, but maybe Gil is too busy sitting down to pheasant under glass, lobster thermidor, a Bin 95 Grange capped off with a Bear Extraordinaire flown in to his humble 5 star lockdown accommodation in QLD from the Baccarat Hotel in New York, to get around to such mundane tasks.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #141 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Answer me this. How many other teams have improved more than we have in the last 12 months?
St.Kilda, Melbourne & Port Adelaide are the other big improvers this year. Port have gone from the middle to the top while St.Kilda & Melbourne have gone from the bottom to the middle like us. St.Kilda has bought itself into the middle while Melbourne are worse now than they were two seasons ago. I am disappointed about what has happened in the past two games and I am not certain about the future, however I still believe we might be on the cusp of something pretty big.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #142 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Yep, remember I said how Craig Jenning on SEN said many weeks go "Accuracy is king this year". He was absolutely spot on.

Yes, in such a low scoring season you have to take every opportunity. Something we didn't do.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #143 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
St.Kilda, Melbourne & Port Adelaide are the other big improvers this year. Port have gone from the middle to the top while St.Kilda & Melbourne have gone from the bottom to the middle like us. St.Kilda has bought itself into the middle while Melbourne are worse now than they were two seasons ago. I am disappointed about what has happened in the past two games and I am not certain about the future, however I still believe we might be on the cusp of something pretty big.

Last two games, and a few others, have been encouraging that we could put ourselves in the right position even with the frustration.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #144 –
Quote from: laj – on
Last two games, and a few others, have been encouraging that we could put ourselves in the right position even with the frustration.
Yes Jim, despite that I dont accept this as good enough, at least we have put ourselves in a position to talk finals. Look at this way, last week v the Filth was an elimination final for us and we lost. Disappointed? You bet, but thats a far cry from a wooden spoon. 2021 the pressure will seriously come and if I had to pin point one item we need to fix pronto? Goal Kicking, right across the board. We get it in enough (we did even under Bolts), we just dont finish the job.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #145 –


When we began the rebuild we expected to be top 4 as a minimum by now.  So much of that expectation was driven by the belief that Charlie and Harry would occupy centre half forward and full forward positions with small forwards feeding off them.  At first all went well. But where are we now with them?

Harry is physically fragile.  In addition he has a kicking style that ensures inaccuracy.  As I said earlier, being a left footer, if he hasn't changed it by now it's too late.

Charlie is also physically fragile.  Given his kneecap and knee injuries there must be a question mark over his long term future. Also keep in mind that we found out earlier this year that he has had structural knee problems since early teen years.

I don't see anybody on our current list physically strong and tall enough for either of those positions.  Even with a couple of new class midfielders the question remains : who is going to kick the goals?

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #146 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Yes Jim, despite that I dont accept this as good enough, at least we have put ourselves in a position to talk finals. Look at this way, last week v the Filth was an elimination final for us and we lost. Disappointed? You bet, but thats a far cry from a wooden spoon. 2021 the pressure will seriously come and if I had to pin point one item we need to fix pronto? Goal Kicking, right across the board. We get it in enough (we did even under Bolts), we just dont finish the job.

Exactly! While happy with the progress and pleased where we have come if we accept it as good enough we won't progress further. While not surprising, given we were have come from, it made it no less frustrating. Gives us areas we need to work on.

We'll be expected to make the 8 next year so these things will need to be worked on. In such a low scoring season, where goals are a premium, 13.42 in the last 7 second halves just kill.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #147 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on

When we began the rebuild we expected to be top 4 as a minimum by now.  So much of that expectation was driven by the belief that Charlie and Harry would occupy centre half forward and full forward positions with small forwards feeding off them.  At first all went well. But where are we now with them?

Harry is physically fragile.  In addition he has a kicking style that ensures inaccuracy.  As I said earlier, being a left footer, if he hasn't changed it by now it's too late.

Charlie is also physically fragile.  Given his kneecap and knee injuries there must be a question mark over his long term future. Also keep in mind that we found out earlier this year that he has had structural knee problems since early teen years.

I don't see anybody on our current list physically strong and tall enough for either of those positions.  Even with a couple of new class midfielders the question remains : who is going to kick the goals?

McKay, Curnow, TDK and McGovern will kick our goals.

It's important to look at the group as a collective and when you look at each player you can certainly find reasons why they won't make it.

Roughead and Franklin formed the Hawks key forward combo, but the original answer to who would kick their goals was Dowler, Thorp, Roughead and Franklin.

While some of them won't reach the expectations we set I think they will turn out ok.   As a collective group.

I don't understand why McKay as a left footer cant improve his kicking?   In two parts he can improve his accuracy by simply marking closer to goal with deeper inside 50's from the midfield and 2nd he always looks spent, sucking in deep breaths so improved endurance would also help with his set shot routine.  

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #148 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on

When we began the rebuild we expected to be top 4 as a minimum by now.  So much of that expectation was driven by the belief that Charlie and Harry would occupy centre half forward and full forward positions with small forwards feeding off them.  At first all went well. But where are we now with them?

Harry is physically fragile.  In addition he has a kicking style that ensures inaccuracy.  As I said earlier, being a left footer, if he hasn't changed it by now it's too late.

Charlie is also physically fragile.  Given his kneecap and knee injuries there must be a question mark over his long term future. Also keep in mind that we found out earlier this year that he has had structural knee problems since early teen years.

I don't see anybody on our current list physically strong and tall enough for either of those positions.  Even with a couple of new class midfielders the question remains : who is going to kick the goals?

Who are the big marking forwards at Collingwood?

The American aside, Mihochek? He's shorter than JSOS and the Guv.

Least of our issues.

#get the Bont!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #149 –
Just looking at the replay. Fair dinkum it was an ordinary game. Dull. Lots of players were slipping over, mostly our players. There were very few highlights of any sort. It was a grind. I don't know if either side deserved to win such a game.

The sorest thing was that it wasn't a once off. It is the way the game is headed.

I will be happy when the quarters are longer and conditions are back to 'normal'. Maybe then we'll see a few goals kicked.
Live Long and Prosper!