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Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #75 –
Matthew Lloyd on Access All Areas making a big call (by his own admission) - reckons Liam Jones might be our best player.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
The Murphy offensive game was serviceable, but his total lack of defensive pressure and pressure acts does cost us. How long can we carry this? Are we that good we can carry a defensive pressure deficit?

SOJ is such an important part of the forward line. Footy smarts / IQ easily outweighs any perceived lack of pace. So valuable. He also brings that intangible 'energy', as does Cottrell. Opponents can't snuff that out and it does lift those around them.

Murph and Jack both had two tackles, as did Levi, Eddie and Gibbons.  Four players had one tackle and four didn't manage a tackle for the game.  To some extent that's understandable as we had so much more of the ball.

Murph's defensive effort in the back pocket, and some gut running, ended up with him slotting a goal at the other end.  That is great leadership by example.  Three marks inside 50, one tackle inside 50 and six score involvements was a pretty solid effort.  However, I would like to see him spend more time in the midfield.

Jack had a great game but he really has to work on his goal kicking.  Missing sitters when you're well in front doesn't have much impact but it can be a coach killer when you're battling to make up a deficit.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #77 –
Murphy shirked the contest right in front of us, everyone saw it. His time is up.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #78 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Murphy shirked the contest right in front of us, everyone saw it. His time is up.
Is that when the ball was kicked over his head and he ran with the flight to the disputed drop, if so which time / qtr?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #79 –
Quote from: LP – on
Is that when the ball was kicked over his head and he ran with the flight to the disputed drop?

There were two incidents in the same position where everyone was yelling he crapped himself. The first one was completely justified, the second was an odd bounce and our fans were harsh on him because of what happened prior.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #80 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
There were two incidents in the same position where everyone was yelling he crapped himself. The first one was completely justified, the second was an odd bounce and our fans were harsh on him because of what happened prior.
When was it, which qtr?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #82 –
If it's on the replay I'll try to get some clips up so we can see it.

I recall twice in the space of 5 mins that we kicked the ball over his head when Freo had a run on, both times the ball pitched in between sMurph and Freo opponents.

On the first occasion I think the bounce favoured the Freo player who took the ball and was then tackled front on by sMurph.

The second time I think the bounce went straight up and the Freo opponent was being wrestled by a Carlton player coming the same way(SoJ?) and sMurph tried to tap the ball sideways to nearby team-mate.

I wouldn't call either shirking the contest.

Perhaps the fans have been drinking too much of Malthouse's bathwater after he labelled sMurph soft during the week. All that media commentary proves is Malthouse is weak as piss and doesn't stand by his own words of having the players back!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #83 –
Quote from: laj – on
Both have done it with both before without issues. Going to have to do it when Charlie comes back anyway later in the year. Jones relished it in the VFL crushing bodies and enjoying a free run around the ground. It's for a few min a qtr. Levi is out of form, come into the season underdone. Gov is finally fit and looked the part on the weekend. Willy has been a top VFL side for years. Stocker was up with out best Saturday.

Yes both can ruck, just not very well.  Cripps takes more forward 50 ruck contests than Harry (not that I really want to see Cripps in ruck contests).

More importantly, who takes the opposition's key forwards when Jones is in the ruck? And who becomes our forward focus when Harry is rucking?  Both Jones and McKay are such vital cogs in our goal to goal line that we can't afford to use them elsewhere.

McDonald doesn't have much idea of ruckwork and gives away far too much size to most of the second string rucks.  Casboult is at least competitive against genuine ruckmen.

Depending on match ups, I reckon that we will play two of Pittonet, Casboult and De Koning in most games.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #84 –
Quote from: LP – on
Perhaps the fans have been drinking too much of Malthouse's bathwater after he labelled sMurph soft during the week. All that media commentary proves is Malthouse is weak as piss and doesn't stand by his own words of having the players back!

It was interesting to hear Brendan Goddard's response to Malthouse's article.  I'm paraphrasing but it was along the lines of "absolute garbage".
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #85 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Matthew Lloyd on Access All Areas making a big call (by his own admission) - reckons Liam Jones might be our best player.

Is that for this week?

One week ago his collogue on Sunday Footy show labelled Jones as to one of the reasons we wont make it with our list.

A week later we are told he is our best player. 

Media have no credibility at all.    

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #86 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Is that for this week?

One week ago his collogue on Sunday Footy show labelled Jones as to one of the reasons we wont make it with our list.

A week later we are told he is our best player. 

Media have no credibility at all.    

Yes, no doubt. He didn't specify, and it wasn't clear from the context whether he meant this week, this season or generally. I'm guessing he meant this season, but I have no way of knowing for sure. I'm sure his bro would be passing him some choice information, and Lloyd may have just given a bit of insight into how Jones is viewed at PP. Another tick for Bolts.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #87 –
Wasn't Malthouse instrumental in bringing Liam to PP?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #88 –
Winning makes us all feel better. It was a solid result. Seven goals, but it should have been fifteen. The players were committed to the game plan, though our execution was a bit hit and miss. As I have said a few times, teaming is now one of our biggest problems. Our skills were better but still not good, as was our decision making. Jones was enormous, and with Saad and Docherty, it is a first class half backline though Docherty has got to stop kicking the ball out on the full. If Marchbank ever returns, with Weitering, SPS and Plowman, it will be a very good backline. The mid-field was tough this week, putting pressure on their opposition, which makes a difference to the defence. Players were actually feeding off Cripps this week whereas in the previous two weeks, he was often isolated. This comes down to team work. McKay should have kicked ten and I was left to think what sort of damage having Harry and Charlie up and running might do. I have been watching a documentary on the Lakers and the Celtics and they talked about how Larry Bird was able to give the extra pass which helped with their scoring. I think Carlton is trying to giving the extra pass but our execution and skills let us down ibn the forward line and so instead of opening the forward line up, the fumbles and missed targets close the forward line down. I have always been a get the ball kick the goals sort of person but I can see the benefit of the extra pass. We just have to be better at execution. Murphy is struggling to his 300th, Casboult is struggling to his 150th but he does have a physical presence, and Eddie is in his final year, we have a number of hard working smalls but I really think we need an excitement machine down there. Once again there were eight players out who you would consider for first team selection and a number of guys a putting their hands up in the reserves. Things are looking up but we still need to develop a winning culture.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #89 –
Quote from: DJC – on
It was interesting to hear Brendan Goddard's response to Malthouse's article.  I'm paraphrasing but it was along the lines of "absolute garbage".

Did you read the article? Apart from the one line about Murphy which gets some fan boys knicker's in a knot I'm pretty sure all Carlton supporters would agree with what he wrote.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!