Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

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Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #105 – April 05, 2021, 08:09:09 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on April 05, 2021, 08:08:16 pm

I have been calling Murphy soft for 5 years, MM made his comments yesterday.

You've come on here and potted a Carlton player based on a mirage!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #106 – April 05, 2021, 09:31:01 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on April 05, 2021, 07:49:20 pm

Just checked, no not the one.

So It wasn't in the 3rd because I watched the entire third qtr that's the only one that involved the ball being kicked in his vicinity with a Freo player near by. I'll watch the other 3 qtrs and see if I can find it.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #107 – April 05, 2021, 10:41:54 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on April 05, 2021, 01:56:57 pm

Did you read the article? Apart from the one line about Murphy which gets some fan boys knicker's in a knot I'm pretty sure all Carlton supporters would agree with what he wrote.

No, I haven't read the article (I have read several of Malthouse's regular articles bagging us or Buckley) but it was discussed in some detail on the ABC footy program. Goddard's comment was part of a fairly rigorous dismantling of Malthouse's argument.

I did read Nick Graham's article though:

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“He probably set the club back five or six years, a very ego-driven man, Mick.”

https://www.zerohanger.com/set-the-club-back-five-or-six-years-former-blue-makes-explosive-claims-about-mick-malthouse-2021-footy-news-81502/

I think that Nick makes a lot more sense than Mick.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #108 – April 06, 2021, 06:32:00 am

I think Nick is salty and has his own version of events that explain away a few things.

1. Nicks version of events state that malthouse wasn't in it for the right reasons but stopping short of the line on run throughs states to me that malthouse was big on standards and making sure that players upheld them.

2. Nick allows himself to externalise the blame for his afl career. He was no longer in the young bracket when Bolton came along. Is a bit of rubbish. Nick Holman was delisted ahead of him when bolts came aboard and we were recruiting older blokes for specialist roles. We ended up attracting in a superior version of Graham in gibbons.

3. Malthouse played the older guys because as we can see from when Bolton took over we didn't win too many with too many youngsters playing. Ive never heard of a coach that didn't play favourites. Understanding why a player was favourite was key to working your way into a team though and its usually got to do with trust, attitude and professionalism in getting jobs done not because he likes the person or the way they look.

Ultimately, nicks opinion is a fans opinion, and its not completely wrong because there are elements of truth to everything but setting the club back 5 years wasn't done by mick, it was done by the club and each individual who failed to really step up and peform. Our issues were more to do with archaic styles of management and recruiting. Mick was mick. He too is salty which is why he lines up Marc Murphy.

Malthouse wasn't all bad news and there are still blokes playing for us every week that we recruited under mick and thus far he's been one of the few senior coaches we've had who managed to turn a draftee into a bona-fide superstar who everyone would love to have in their team (cripps).

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #109 – April 06, 2021, 06:35:10 am

I think I know the incident that mbb is referring to.

It stood out to me on TV. Murphy and a freo player running at each other. The ball was probably a 60 40 in the freo players favour due to distance and going harder and lower was probably the right thing for him to do to win that contest.

Thing is, Murphy has not come out of those contests well through his career and was probably right to not go into it when the ball is in dispute on the wing towards the end of the third quarter when we are almost 50 points up.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #110 – April 06, 2021, 10:51:44 am

A few observations:
* Fogarty's a ripper
* Dow showed something despite getting banged up
* We love Eddie
* H is coming of age
* Crippa's back
* Jonesy had AA performance
* Docherty's finding form
* Parksy looked the part
* Intensity is infectious
* We can play a tough brand
* Finally have competition for some spots. Hope we use this to manage those not in form
* The talk was put into action
* Can't help but dream what a healthy list could mean (Charlie, Kemp, Fisher, Martin, Newman, King, McG, Marchy, Philpy.....)

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #111 – April 06, 2021, 11:20:29 am

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 06, 2021, 06:35:10 am

Thing is, Murphy has not come out of those contests well through his career and was probably right to not go into it when the ball is in dispute on the wing towards the end of the third quarter when we are almost 50 points up.

Fans have to be realistic, in this situation sMurph is giving away at least 10cm and 10kg to a KPP running straight at him, who is wrestling with our KPP.

I'd expect our KPP to take their KPP out of the contest and leaving the small forward an avenue to goal. Instead on both occasions our KPPs sat back expecting a cheap tap from sMurph. The question is that by coaching design or habit?

If that had been Castagna running under the footy and Riewoldt coming the other way wrestling with a KPD opponent, Riewoldt would have taken the KPD out and let Castagna run free onto the footy, which is ultimately the type of team act that delivers a premiership.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #112 – April 06, 2021, 12:01:52 pm

Quote from: LP – on April 06, 2021, 11:20:29 am

Fans have to be realistic, in this situation sMurph is giving away at least 10cm and 10kg to a KPP running straight at him, who is wrestling with our KPP.

I'd expect our KPP to take their KPP out of the contest and leaving the small forward an avenue to goal. Instead on both occasions our KPPs sat back expecting a cheap tap from sMurph. The question is that by coaching design or habit?

If that had been Castagna running under the footy and Riewoldt coming the other way wrestling with a KPD opponent, Riewoldt would have taken the KPD out and let Castagna run free onto the footy, which is ultimately the type of team act that delivers a premiership.

Richmond players wouldn't get a free pass to squib a contest..
Justin Leppitch has just been interviewed on SEN I think and canned our recruiting especially Lachie O'brien and said Richmond wouldn't have taken him and he isn't their style. Said he had a great highlight tape but wasn't for them, they preferred Higgins and McIntosh... Reading between the lines LOB wasn't hard enough for the Tigers and their standards in that area are different..

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #113 – April 06, 2021, 12:11:54 pm

Much easier recruiting for a specific role rather than replacing a third of a squad every year.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #114 – April 06, 2021, 12:22:25 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 06, 2021, 12:01:52 pm

Richmond players wouldn't get a free pass to squib a contest..

It's a rubbish accusation, not supported by the replay which in Full HD shows both events being talked about on various forums.

In the 1st sMurph had zero chance of getting to the footy first so he tackled the KPD, in the 2nd he changed direction because the ball bounced sideways and tried to tap the ball to his advantage while avoiding being wrapped up by the KPD. Which is the whole point of being a forward.

I'm not sure what people see, ................ what they want to see I suspect.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #115 – April 06, 2021, 04:29:51 pm

Full HD isn't real life. Everyone in the bay where I sat in the AFL members saw both players running at each other and Murphy deviated. He didn't want the contact, that's fine but he should retire.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #116 – April 06, 2021, 04:31:43 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on April 06, 2021, 04:29:51 pm

Full HD isn't real life. Everyone in the bay where I sat in the AFL members saw both players running at each other and Murphy deviated. He didn't want the contact, that's fine but he should retire.

So you were on the wing?

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #117 – April 06, 2021, 04:36:25 pm

Level 1 Section 11.

Why do you think I'm lying LP? You have PMed me numerous times and have known me for a number of years. Numerous people near me commented, I didn't actually say a word.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #118 – April 06, 2021, 04:41:38 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on April 06, 2021, 04:36:25 pm

Level 1 Section 11.

Why do you think I'm lying LP? You have PMed me numerous times and have known me for a number of years. Numerous people near me commented, I didn't actually say a word.

I'm trying to understand what you or those around you saw, the perspective you viewed it from, that is all there is no need to be paranoid.

So those around you see it from ground level almost perfectly side on. The Cotterell kick over sMurph's head, the sideways tall bounce of the ball back towards the centre square, and sMurph deviating out of the opponents path.

But sMurph made contact with the ball and opponent "after deviating", in fact sMurph got first hand on the ball. Could it be what they thought they saw from side on was wrong?

Why did sMurph deviate, he cut back across the path of the Freo opponent not out of the opponents path, if sMurph had kept running straight he would have run straight past the boundary side of the Freo opponent by 5m?

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #119 – April 06, 2021, 05:06:04 pm

I think Murphy is struggling to get things together as full time small forward. It is not a role he has played much of, as he has been required in the middle of the ground for most of his career.
To be honest, I thought he would handle the role better, as he has kicked some excellent goals when resting forward, but our players often try to make an idiot out of me.

I would actually change things up for him and start him at the centre bounce for the first few minutes, trying to get him into the game. Not for long periods, but getting him in the heat of the battle would get him used to getting the ball.
I would also consider using him as a rover in ball-ups close to goal. He is smart and has good hands.

I'd be very tempted to try something similar with Eddie Betts. I wouldn't have him on the ball for long, but I would allow him to get his hands dirty. His defensive efforts would be appreciated at the centre bounce.

Playing small forward is not the easiest role in the team. People generally don't look for you, aiming preferentially at the tall targets. And it isn't always smart to kick to a small forward expecting him to be marking target: God knows we learnt that lesson when we last had Eddie. Far too often he was the marking target (which we couldn't hit, but that was another tale). It would be smart to kick it to Murphy or Betts as marking targets sometimes: keeps the small defenders from being able to zone off.