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Reply #75 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Thanks GTC. Not sure I agree with the second point, but the others sound OK to me.
The concerning one is the Russell doing dual roles.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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Reply #76 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think there is a good chance you are correct, but time will tell.

Playing Devil's Advocate, would Barker stepped aside become a candidate for the replacement of Teague?

The article on the CFC website/Facebook suggests that Barker had effectively resigned at the end of the season - this is bringing it forward.  It also says he's leaving footy - doesn't sound as if the Devil's advocate is doing anything for the Devil!

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Reply #77 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
The concerning one is the Russell doing dual roles.

Yes, that's not ideal, but was that pre covid and post covid, or just post ?

At any rate, I think the players should be allowed to give honest feedback, about the coach or anything else. If the process is conducted properly, they would investigate the allegations and get to the bottom of them, rather than just simply taking them at face value. If the players can't speak freely in a review, then it's somewhat pointless IMO.

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Reply #78 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Thanks GTC. Not sure I agree with the second point, but the others sound OK to me.

Agree.   Sounds like a sacked ex-coach that had players who didn't like his direction and went over his head.    Salty.

No one is infallible and you would hope that the senior player speak for the playing group.

I would be interested in what players that have come from successful sides like Fogarty, Betts and even Pittonet think of our set up.     Cripps and Docherty have never played in a successful side.

Barker would have read the tea leaves.    11 odd year with no success.   He was an easy kill

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Reply #79 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Barker would have read the tea leaves.    11 odd year with no success.  He was an easy kill
That assumes he was a kill, and not a voluntary departure as is stated.

Perhaps the thing he reads are further pending hub style competitions and he might not be willing to do that, if so he won't be on his lonesome, there will be other coaches and some players who opt if this happens again!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #80 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes, that's not ideal, but was that pre covid and post covid, or just post ?

At any rate, I think the players should be allowed to give honest feedback, about the coach or anything else. If the process is conducted properly, they would investigate the allegations and get to the bottom of them, rather than just simply taking them at face value. If the players can't speak freely in a review, then it's somewhat pointless IMO.
No argument from me, I was merely stating what Leppa said he would do. If you cant get feedback from the coalface, where do you get it from? These forums?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #81 –
Quote from: LP – on
That assumes he was a kill, and not a voluntary departure as is stated.

Perhaps the thing he reads are further pending hub style competitions and he might not be willing to do that, if so he won't be on his lonesome, there will be other coaches and some players who opt if this happens again!

Timing is too neat for mine.   Went before he was pushed.   Either way.    Same result.

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Reply #82 –
Quote from: dodge – on
The article on the CFC website/Facebook suggests that Barker had effectively resigned at the end of the season - this is bringing it forward.  It also says he's leaving footy - doesn't sound as if the Devil's advocate is doing anything for the Devil!
We can't discuss this much in the short term, it requires some time to pass before we can judge.

But the bring it forward bit is perhaps a tell, as discussed earlier, but his departure doesn't mean he was tapped on the shoulder either as I discussed elsewhere, it's just speculation.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #83 –
Quote from: LP – on
In the article it states to "Start in coming weeks", on the TV I've seen Caro state twice that it's to start "At the end of the season"

So I'm calling bullcrap story!

All clubs review football and executive performance at the end of each season.

Wrong
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #84 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Timing is too neat for mine.  Went before he was pushed.  Either way.    Same result.
Same result for the club going forward, but the reasons behind it can be vastly different. You can imagine now what reasons someone like Caro or Flubbo will deliver, versus someone like Barker or Liddle.

I nice question to be answered in the future will be, in two or three months do we see Barker in the media doing a SOS?

PS; Look for commentary in the AFL Media, particularly the old boys network from the likes of Lyon, Jab Snr, Darcy, King, supporting Barker and claiming he's been harshly dealt with.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #85 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Wrong
Yep, announced by the club officially.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #86 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Wrong
Well I presume it can't be the claim about Caro's contradiction that is wrong because that is on Dots video, and unless it's been revised in the edit it's in the original article. Season's End versus Coming Weeks, Caro can't be right on both, she does this all the time then retrospectively quotes the instance that was correct! That is bullcrap reporting.

So I assume you're claiming AFL club's do not review football and executive performance at the end of each season? :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #87 –
Next game will be interesting. We are going to give GWS the mother of all floggings, or just go through the motions with all this and copping a big flogging.

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Reply #88 –
Quote from: laj – on
Next game will be interesting. We are going to give GWS the mother of all floggings, or just go through the motions with all this and copping a big flogging.
Most of the vision shown post our games for the last 8 or 9 weeks doesn't lie. Our players aren't free of blame by any stretch and have cost a good man (to date) his job. I hope they consider this when they next run out with a navy blue jumper with a white CFC on the front.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #89 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Timing is too neat for mine.   Went before he was pushed.   Either way.    Same result.

Yes, we won't ever know for sure, but if I was a betting man, I'd say the club flicked him and gave him the chance to exit with a little dignity, by saying he resigned.