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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #210 –
Our problems seem to stem not from our players not being unaware of what to do but of not being motivated to do it. Analysis of on field play and tactics alone won't fix our problems. We need a much deeper analysis of the collective club psyche to find the core of the problem.  Not sure this review will do that.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #211 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
There's that and there's structural elements.
Not much the club can do at the moment, the only two KPPs they have left are both KPDs.

But I've got to ask this question, why such a change in a week form a list that had quite a similar mix of talls and smalls?

I realise Cripps for McKay is not a like for like, but the mix remained, yet the problem wasn't really in those KPPs, it was in the defensive run from the midfield and small forwards.

When Williams injured his hammy a few minutes before 1/2-time, the character of the game changed, and guys missing in the first half didn't step up at all!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #212 –
Quote from: LP – on
Not much the club can do at the moment, the only two KPPs they have left are both KPDs.

But I've got to ask this question, why such a change in a week form a list that had quite a similar mix of talls and smalls?

I realise Cripps for McKay is not a like for like, but the mix remained, yet the problem wasn't really in those KPPs, it was in the defensive run from the midfield and small forwards.

When Williams injured his hammy a few minutes before 1/2-time, the character of the game changed, and guys missing in the first half didn't step up at all!

Statistically Williams was quite good.
he had it 13 times with a 77% disposal accuracy with only 39% game time.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #213 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Statistically Williams was quite good.
he had it 13 times with a 77% disposal accuracy with only 39% game time.
Yes, his naysayers aren't really commenting on a reality.

The loss of his run was dramatic, because the guys who ran and spread so well, and ran deep defensively the week before, just didn't do it after 1/2-time last weekend. Dow, Williamson, Kennedy, SPS, Fisher were all AWOL, and with the loss of Betts only Owies kept up the deep running with some support from Newman and Newnes.

I realise Kennedy was partly AWOL because of the way we used him, and I stand by my pre-game conjecture that making that change to allow Cripps into the midfield was flirting with Kennedy's form and was a huge mistake. It also I think sends the wrong message, to both the team and Cripps.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #214 –
Kennedy must be played as that inside midfielder or the relief ruck - tackles with intent but physical limitations are such that once the ball exits congestion he can't get there.

Once Betts got injured our forward half pressure dropped to bugger all.  He might not always kicks goals but he keeps the defenders honest.

Cottrell runs hard both ways but doesn't get enough of the ball to hurt.... Maybe trial as as in all hard tagger in that Ed role and play a better ball winner on the wing EG Carroll.

There's two others that refuse to chase with effort,  whether through choice or a desire to conserve petrol (= lack of confidence in fitness), it needs addressing.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
 

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #215 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
There's two others that refuse to chase with effort,  whether through choice or a desire to conserve petrol (= lack of confidence in fitness), it needs addressing.
 You can name them if you like!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #216 –
No, I think they're obvious and I'm tired of being castigated for having an unpopular opinion.

DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #217 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
No, I think they're obvious and I'm tired of being castigated for having an unpopular opinion.


Fark that Prof, you're entitled to an opinion mate, its neither right, wrong or otherwise. Don't be bullied into not expressing your thoughts.
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
2026-Slow start, we can kick after all, why not?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #218 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Fark that Prof, you're entitled to an opinion mate, its neither right, wrong or otherwise. Don't be bullied into not expressing your thoughts.
I agree, anyway in the wash up we do not know what is a trait and what is a coaching directive, so we can only speculate.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #219 –
Paul Sebastiani's views on the North Melbourne game. He doesn't hold back.

https://youtu.be/aZuXzyoSFvY

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #220 –
Apparently I'm a loser because I didn't play footy at AFL level, so I can't have an opinion.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #221 –
Quote from: LP – on
Not much the club can do at the moment, the only two KPPs they have left are both KPDs.

But I've got to ask this question, why such a change in a week form a list that had quite a similar mix of talls and smalls?

I realise Cripps for McKay is not a like for like, but the mix remained, yet the problem wasn't really in those KPPs, it was in the defensive run from the midfield and small forwards.

I covered these sorts of questions earlier.

IMO we were rather lucky the last couple of weeks. I thought it was a miracle the cats didn't get a hold of us when we only had Weitering, Harry and TDK.

Then i thought we were pretty lucky against the Pies, even when we had Jones back.

Losing Harry for the kangas game was a bridge too far IMO. The straw that broke the camels back.

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #222 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Apparently I'm a loser because I didn't play footy at AFL level, so I can't have an opinion.

Yep, that member comment was petty, disrespectful and juvenile Prof.  Sh@t me right off

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #223 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Apparently I'm a loser because I didn't play footy at AFL level, so I can't have an opinion.
Well I'd guess we are all losers then as I am yet to know of anyone on this site who has declared themselves as an ex AFL player. If I had to guess, the only one would come close is Steph Chiocci (Chiacci17 back in the day). Knowing Steph personally, I can guarantee you she would be the last person to deny you an opinion
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
2026-Slow start, we can kick after all, why not?

Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 19: Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #224 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Yep, that member comment was petty, disrespectful and juvenile Prof.  Sh@t me right off
Are you saying there are members on this forum that haven’t  played AFL? Outrageous,  I’m outta here😜
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.